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Object Plugins / Re: (1.0)
Thank you. Would you be able to post some examples?

I haven't been using cues but I know that it's helpful and expected.

The pieces I'm notating are for Clarinet and Piano. The Wind instrument sometimes has long measures of rest. I'm not sure how much to put in for showing the piano part. Another piece has choir, piano and clarinet. I have the cue show a measure of the melody for the choir in the clarinet part. I made the cue stems go the opposite direction as well as labelling it "choir".
Object Plugins / Re: (1.0)
Regarding cues:

What stem size do you recommend? Is there a standard? They definitely need to be shorter when they are stand alone cues.

There is a sample page on the website for converting the midi files to MP3 that plays the different sound fonts in various styles but none show the choral sound, which is what I am primarily interested in. I've been experimenting and "unison" isn't too bad.
Thanks. That was the problem. I hadn't finished the last step.

I'm having trouble with the new computer, making sure the files are all where they should be. Where should the user tool kit be located? Will it go there automatically when I download it? I think I have already done it but it's not in the program so it's sitting somewhere else.

Thanks for the help,
Hi Mike
True enough. That's what it says. But I'm paranoid. Can someone hack into it and steal my work?  😳
I have been using the website that was suggested for mp3 conversion.

When I searched for some information on the tune that I used, I found this file (which is about my midi that I converted). Should I be concerned at all that this is on the internet? I may have forgotten to uncheck the box saying that the info could be kept in the database.
This is a separate question as well but suspect it might have the same type of answer. I'd like to provide an alternate  ending on a piece. Separated by space. I haven't attempted it yet but am thinking about it.
One idea is a separate staff that vanishes after the first line; and all the other staves emerge only on the second line (i.e., after a system break on the first staff) - see attachment BellChart-A.

A somewhat simpler solution is to use the top staff as the chart staff in the first line; however, it seems that one has, then, to live with a staff label on the chart line if one needs labels ... see BellChart-B.

Suitable gaps center the chart on the first line. Its notes are muted and, additionally, skipped via 1./2. endings. Bar counting is done with a BarCounter.nw object that starts counting after the chart.

Maybe something better can be developed from these ideas ...


Thank you for these ideas. It is a bit convoluted on the screen, isn't? It will get me started, but maybe Mike will have time to clean up the process using his technical wizardry...
Thank you for the suggestions. I had figured everything out except for the bar counter because I don't usually use that but this might be a good opportunity to try it out.

Mike, if you feel like that would be an interesting project to take on then by all means please do!  I will be writing more handbell music in the future, I believe. You fooled me there for minute, and I'm glad I did not miss an existing user object. We have to keep up with Muscore don't we?

General Discussion / Bells Used Chart

I'm looking for help on creating a bells used chart for a score that includes handbells.

This is what it will look like: centred under the title, non-playing, measures would need to start with the actual piece, not the bells.

There was a NWC discussion on this years ago here:

but I'm not sure if that is the best approach these days. I'd appreciate your input.

Just to be clear: using separate layers for separate voices on the same staff isn't unique to NWC - it's standard across most if not all notation programs. NWC is unique in allowing you to use as many layers as you want, though: Finale, Sibelius, MuseScore, Dorico, etc., all limit you to four layers per staff.

I didn't know that. It's another advantage of nwc. Do you have that one in your blog post?
Oh, I see, it is layered...Mike was right all along.  ;)

Could one of you tech wizards figure out an easier way? When I hover my curser on the chord member, why can't more options come up like spacing and moving the dot up or down a space?

Yes, Rick, that's what I need. How can I recreate that next time? What's the secret step?
Is there a way to get the top dotted quarter to move over in the chord? It looks strange to me and I'm not sure how to fix it. I experimented here with increasing the dot spacing to .2 but it doesn't seem to change the actual note position which looks too far to the left.



I am trying out the FluidR3 soundfont through the website. Is this the best choice for a choral sound? There are a number of other choices there and I am unfamiliar with them all. I have a SATB a capella piece I am finishing up.

Success! Thanks again, everyone.
Thank you, everybody. I realize that I have been trying to highlight the chord instead of hovering the cursor.

This shortcut will save me time in the future. Thank you for the cheat sheet!
Richard Woodroffe said "I do not think you have covered right clicking on a note in a chord in order to change, for example, an accidental on one note in the chord, or to add a tie to that note."

I can't seem to do that using my laptop. Can you explain the process? Thanks!
How did I miss that all this time?
Thanks, Bill. I'm off to a rehearsal now but will have a look later. I have a feeling I'm going to be quite sad to hear the difference!
Does it exist? It would make my life a lot easier!
I'm pretty busy with composing and performing, but I would like to have some idea of the quality differences that you're talking about. Can someone send me an example of a better synth sound? I guess I have gotten used to what I have now and haven't thought about upgrading.

General Discussion / Re: Swing rhythm
Wow, those tempo tracks are a much much easier way to accomplish what I was trying to do (which entails rewriting everything!)

Thanks for sharing these options.

So, do you always use a tempo track in all your scores? I usually just paste it onto the staff somewhere. Obviously, something as complex as what you have shared would clutter the page.

General Discussion / Re: Swing rhythm
So I guess the answer is that there is no easy way.
Would it be possible to develop a user tool? Other notation software has a setting for swing.

Thank you for sharing your cheat sheet!
General Discussion / Swing rhythm
Is there a quick way to change the playback to swing style?

I've just spent a long time making a hidden staff with triplets and will mute the visible staff.

I would suggest making the "singer" MIDI channel 1, the oboe  MIDI channel 2, and the piano a higher MIDI channel.

In the event of voice overload, synths are supposed to drop voices from the higher channels first.

I would also remove any sustain pedal down items. While the pedal is down, voices are not released. They can add up rather quickly. If this solves the issue, you can judiciously add the 'pedal downs' back in where needed.

By George, that's it! I had put the pedal down in the piano staves to try and give more legato.

Bill, the instrumentation is voice, piano and oboe, so there shouldn't be an issue with timbre masking.
I am using everyone's favourite:
Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth

It's actually only in the available playback box but I suppose since there is only one, then it gets used by default.

If I stop and start later, I do hear what previously didn't play, but then a new section stops playing until there is only one or two notes.

This is my new computer and I didn't have issues with the last one like this.

Thanks for any help you can offer!
If there's enough going on in the 3 staves you have, you could be running into a synth limitation...  There is always a limited amount of polyphony any synth can handle and some are better than others - some also have the ability to have their polyphony setting adjusted.

What synth are you using?

Where would I look for that information?
My midi channels are not overlapping.

Any other ideas?

I was happily working on a score that contains three staves but when I played it back, about half way through, one staff stopped playing audibly but I can hear it trying to sound the notes. When I removed all the other staves, it played normally. I need them all to play together as I'm trying to export the midi. When I try to export, the midi file behaves the same way.

I am perplexed! What should I be checking?
General Discussion / Re: Stacked Rests

Are you saying that you would need to write it into the code and that there is no way to do it otherwise? How exactly does one do that?

Could you make one or more of those rests invisible?

And when would you need to use this trick? I've not had to do this before but maybe I would want to one day.

General Discussion / Re: boxed text
P.S. Mike, I am still using your Bar Label for rehearsal numbers and letters. What % size is recommended for those? I have been experimenting and am not sure which is best.
General Discussion / Re: boxed text

I just wanted to say that I have started using xtext for boxed text and I like all the options that it gives me! I don't find it difficult to use for my purposes. Thanks so much for developing it and for your help here on the forum. Thanks to Mike as well for his help and referral.

Thanks. I'll give it a try and see what is easiest.
Thank you!  :-[
General Discussion / Placement issues
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but something is up with verse 3. Is there a hidden space somewhere?

Is there a better way to achieve verse numbering? I've used the number/underscore/first word of verse method for a long time.

Edit: I guess I need to insert a screenshot! That would show the issues. Basically, the third verse number does not line up with the others and I can't see anything that is stopping it.


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Object Plugins / Re: XText.hmm (0.92)
Thanks. I'm giving it a try!
Rick, I am attempting to do this, but I need more specific step by step information because I don't understand what to do.

Rename the attached txt file to: rg_RomitalClip.vbs
In NWC, make Romital your lyrics font.
Copy the lyrics you want to italicize to the clipboard.
Run: rg_RomitalClip.vbs
Paste into NWC

General Discussion / Re: boxed text
Hahaha! Thanks. Desperate times etc.

I wouldn't mind having a few extra options if you were willing to do it. I think for the most part, the default works, but for special cases, then its nice to have a few other options. If the instructions were extra long, could they be broken by using %br% ?

If anyone else is interested, I was told by an engraver that texted instructions should be used for moods in the music, specific rhythmic feel, (in 2, double time, etc.) telling the performer to pay attention to something other than common dynamics.
General Discussion / Re: boxed text
I think that I don't understand how this tool clearly has more options than I originally thought.  I just experimented and was able to move it to the middle of the bar.  :-[

I have only used it before for rehearsal numbers.

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General Discussion / Re: Hairpins
Yes, I use hidden ones all the time for shifting positions. Thanks for your help. I have only just started using the insert tool to help with positioning items. I don't always think about using it.
General Discussion / boxed text
Good morning
 Here is a new question which I haven't found an answer for.

Is it possible to box text and place it anywhere on the staff? Some text instructions should be put in a box for better visibility, and I was able to do this with some at the barline using the bar label tool. I couldn't find any other way to accomplish it. Is there another way to do this? What happens if the text needs to be in the middle of the phrase? The bar label tool won't work then.

I will try to attach a sample. This works ok but could be moved over to the right:
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|User||Pos:14|Text:"With Audience"

The text "Spoken" should  be boxed:

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
|Text|Text:"  Spoken:"|Font:PageSmallText|Pos:7

Thanks for your help.
General Discussion / Re: Hairpins
Thanks, Mike.

Is it important to have a hidden dynamic at the beginning of the hairpin? Is it enough to have a previous dynamic a measure or two earlier?
General Discussion / Re: Hairpins
I figured out how to get the hairpin on the Alto and Bass "bring" by using a hidden grace note. I'm just wondering if there is a different approach for making it smaller.

General Discussion / Re: Hairpins
Need to have supper first. It's the side by side location not the horizontal one that's the issue.

General Discussion / Hairpins
I am looking for help in getting those hairpins to behave satisfactorily.

I found this topic from 10 years ago.

Have there been any new tricks or tools discovered? I've tried using an invisible muted grace note and that helps sometimes. Not always, like when I want a new hairpin after a whole note to show a crescendo on the note moving into a new dynamic range.


General Discussion / Re: An idea
II'll try to suppress that "technical talk"; but some abstractions will be necessary, as with all software.

If there are pictures to accompany the tech talk, and step by step instructions, with lots of examples, that will go a long way to help people like me who struggle to understand what's going on!

For example, with the tremolo tool, I started by reading the instructions. That didn't totally illuminate me, so I opened the example. Then, I tried and failed to make one. (Had missed a key point) Then I cut and pasted the example into my score. Then I went into the settings to figure out how it was set up. Then I asked for some clarification and googled a few notation related things, went back and was successful.

It seems like a lot of steps in the path toward enlightenment but I got there in the end!  ;)
Object Plugins / Re: (2.1)
Woah! That was fast!