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I need to get more room on the first page, and am interested in having no title/author info at all so I can get more systems on that first page. Is this possible?
Thanks for your help.
No, I do not think so.
There are actually 6 zoom levels (1/6 = full page is visible, 2/6 = about a third of the page, 3/6...6/6 = not useful except in very rare cases). Paging behaviour in 2/6 and higher is also strange as a PgDn/PgUp does not reset the position to the top/bottom of the newly opened page, but remains at the same relative location. But I can now live with it as follows:
"Going down enlarged":
"Going up enlarged":
- Opening: Alt-F V + and immediately 5 up-arrows
- Going down: down-arrow
- Next page: PgDn and then immediately 5 up-arrows
- Going up: up-arrow
- Previous page: PgUp and then immediately 5 down-arrows
After rehearsing this like a new piano piece a few times, you do it automatically and end up about where you want
I often work with performers on compositions still in process. The inability of NWC page view to easily accommodate working this way has always been frustrating. Frantically trying to find my place in the music after a page turn is not efficient or professional! I usually have to create a draft pdf instead and have the program open for making edits.
I suspect that the instructions would likely change for a printed score to be performed by live musicians? That’s the case for me but I also like to make listening tracks, too.
I'm working on a new instrumental arrangement and considering my options for flow. How you would choose to lay it out with flow instructions?
Sax solo chorus
Sax and piano chorus
Sax and piano verse
Sax and piano verse
Sax and piano chorus
Sax solo chorus last phrase
Thanks for your ideas!
I have been checking out bagpipes sounds. If anyone has advice on writing for bagpipes, it is welcome. There is not too much information in the forum.
It has been a very busy musical Christmas season for me, with multiple performances each week since the beginning of Advent (last week of November). I am blessed to have had many of my compositions in use this season. Thank you to those who are keeping NWC user-friendly and able to accommodate most of my needs.
I hope you are well, enjoying the season, and looking forward to 2023!
Edited to add: I know many of you are all specialists in your own areas, and I would like more time to learn from your experience!
One thing that you omitted was a hidden master repeat at the end of Special ending 2.
I am going to screen record the playback for the choristers, so they can practice with a video, so I won't be able to use the print preview, so those lyrics in ending 2 and 3 and stuck at the lower level.
The issue is on the third return to m 12. The highlighted lyrics are vs 1, not vs 3.
I am trying to achieve correct flow direction in the following case:
Chorus has three iterations.
I use a segno at the beginning and master repeat with ending 1, ending 2 has a DS al coda but it takes me back to chorus 1 instead of 3. How do I fix that? Ending two just has a double bar line.
Harald, I tried to download the print configuration object, but was told "attachment not found". I had missed your post on it earlier this year. I'm in the middle of a PhD so don't get to read the forum posts as often as I would like.
Thank you for engaging with me on this topic. It was indeed an OUCH, caused by rushing to finish the parts before a rehearsal.
I am happy to report that a less panicked search of the back up did find the full score, and it has been re-saved to the appropriate folder. I would like to give thanks to the developer who had the idea of having a back up folder. I have not often had to use it in my 20 years of NWC use, but when I do, it is a really appreciated feature!!!!!! (That reminds me that I should go looking for a different missing score one more time...)
Now, as to the work flow issue, I have tried just using one file, but I find that when I create parts, I often want to make them a little bigger than what I am happy to work with as the conductor and/or accompanist. I like less pages to turn. This means that there is a lot of fiddling back and forth if I just work from the full score and hide staves. Also, making the endings align well isn't always the same for each part.
How do you handle those items (font size changes and spacer inserts for endings)?
Back in May, I moved my Noteworthy Composer files onto an external drive to save room on my computer which was running slowly. I have a lot of MP3s and videos along with my compositions. It appears that the backup folder is no longer syncing. I made a terrible mistake today and finished a score Then started to create the parts, and I mistakenly saved the part under the full score name, losing the full score in the process. I was hoping there might be a back up version but it looks like the back up folder stopped getting back ups in May. I am really hoping that there might be some other folder that I don’t know about that might have the finished score in it.
Of course, musician clarity is HUGELY important. I will be conducting so can give instructions, but I don't want to break any norms, either. I have created a version where verse 1 stands alone and the repeats and endings apply to verse 2 and 3. I think this will be more clear for the singers. It also has the nice bonus of enabling me to do something a little different on verse 1 with the accompaniment.
I appreciate the help provided here, and a chance to work out the issues both musically and technologically.
I'm not seeing any lyric line in the attached file.
What I have is a piece with: introduction, first verse, second verse, chorus with one ending, third verse, chorus with new ending (key change), verse four, chorus, ending.
The verses are the same notation, the choruses are the same except for the endings (two measures are different). It is all good until the end of verse 3. I can't get it to jump to the new ending, and then into the key change on verse four and onward. Using special endings doesn't work.
That might not be any clearer, but thanks for trying to help.
Not quite there yet. I need vs 2 and 3 to repeat, and chorus 2 and 3 have different endings. See attached score with written descriptions.
I can't get the last section to play. It jumps back to the first repeat sign. What should I insert to fixt this? NWC flow always messes me up!
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I did not use your tool and missed the announcement because this term has been very busy for me. I used something online that I had experimented with once before https://www.niversoft.com/products/xml2nwc/
but I am always uncomfortable using an online convertor, so having a downloadable tool is very appealing!
Hope the Spring is being kind to you in your part of the world.
I was recently invited to contribute to a publication of musical settings of the Psalms, but the editor asked for Finale or Sibelius scores, even though I had used NWC to create my score. I downloaded a trial version of Sibelius because I have a friend composer who has Sibelius, and thought she could help me with any issues that I was likely to encounter. It was the right decision because we ended up spending lots of time together and through email trying to get the score ready. I used the xml converter online to get a file that could be imported into Sibelius, but there were a lot of fixes needed as a result.
If you have watched this funny, but true (and therefore not funny in my context) critique of Sibelius https://youtu.be/dKx1wnXClcI
you will understand why I was screaming in frustration at times at the difficulty of doing what should have been very easy tasks, like assigning tempo markings.
I thought I might be tempted to switch, but I am not. The finished score does look a little nicer than the NWC score, but not enough for me to want to change and use a very non-intuitive engraving program that took massive amounts of time to figure out.
Bill Ashworth commented about needing something different than NWC for the appearance of his works, and I thought I would just weigh in here with my fresh and stressful experience. Here is that former thread https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=10132.msg72865#msg72865
Is there any reason your To Coda is at the start of the bar, before the rest, and not at the end of the bar which I would normally expect?
I moved it to see if that would fix the problem and didn't move it back again before posting! It is weird. I tried again and it now works. Thanks for double checking for me.
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I have been trying out your change clef tool, but I am having difficulty with getting the octave up command to work. If I try, it immediately gives me an error message.
While I think of it, there is an object in my list that I could probably delete, but I will check here first: "newObject.test". Also under the list that is generated when I click "Manage objects" is on by the name of "p" at the very top. It says it was used once but is not installed. So I have no idea what that is.
Re: how things ended up in the folders that I have, I do recall having some issues with downloading objects/plug ins from the website and losing them, or not knowing where I had downloaded them to, or where they were supposed to go...so that might account for the CopyPaste plug in ending up in the automatic group.
I have successfully created an "Often Used" group, so thanks for that advice!
I have questions about the "Group" designations under user tools. First, I would like to express appreciation to the hardworking and innovative NWC users who have thought of ways to make this program fit a lot of needs that the original software does not. Thank you! You have saved me from having to switch to one of the other programs. I would rather write music than learn a computer program.
Questions remain, however. It might become very clear that I have no background understanding or knowledge of how computers and software and coding work. (I don't want to know how the sausage is made, I just want to enjoy the finished product. )
First of all, there are certain tools that I use frequently, such as Parts (adp), which is listed under .starter tools.
I use these .Plugins regularly: arpeggio and ottavamatic.
Under .Automatic, I use CopyPasteMeasures.og
I have a lot of others that I don't use, probably because I'm not sure what they do, and I have my own workflow. Also, I rarely remember which group the ones I do use are in, so I find myself hunting on a regular basis, except for the ones that I can just press "J" and pull up the Object box. (and I don't really get the difference between an object and a plug in, so maybe that has nothing to do with the group question which I will now pose).
Could I combine all the ones that I do use frequently into one group? Why or why not? Could I dump all of the others into another group? Why do I need 6 different groups?
Dynamics are the same as the piano.
My editor uses the Windows computer standard sound font. It sounds fine in the editor. Trombone is its own channel. The muting does not happen on playback in the NCW Viewer as well. I’m not sure how to check what sound font the Viewer is using. The difference appears constant with the three fonts I have loaded (unison 2 , FluidR3, and Titanic)
I have been having an issue with the trombone though. I’m currently composing for trombone and piano. When I use the “play to” feature in NWC2 viewer to create an MP3, the trombone is quite a bit softer than the piano. I have to reduce the piano channel volume to around 60 to balance it out. That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m using Cool Soft VirtualMidiSynth 2.9.3.
Any ideas what the issue is?
I have been using the program for 20 years and am still learning new procedures!
I am looking at a part score, and seeing that it would be really nice for the performers if I put page two after a couple of rest bars. The problem is that there is a line of music after the rests on page 1. Any tips to achieve a page break?
Edit to add: William, I really appreciate when you tell us about your experiences! It is something that I have considered, but I just don't have the time right now with my PhD studies to learn a new program. I am always holding out hope that some user adjustments might solve the problems with NWC!
Second edit: Thanks for sharing that article, too, on the history of music notation. It looks like a good read.
This is the second year we had to cancel our choir's advent concert - we had rehearsed a longer composition "Weihnacht" I had written - with NWC, of course - which would have been nice to sing and, hopefully, listen to. So, next try next year!
I'm sorry to hear that, Harald. It is so disappointing for composers, choral directors, and choir members how this pandemic keeps rearing its ugly, non-singing head! I composed and presented lots of solo music instead this past Advent season, but can't wait till we can sing in ensembles once more. I did a graduate composition course that focused on choral music last year...of course, I haven't been able to hear any of the pieces I produced sung yet!
I'm also a longtime user, and find this forum to be invaluable for answering my questions, figuring out solutions, showing me new ways of doing things, and implementing user designed features. It has kept me using NWC all these years, rather than switching to another program. I hope you will enjoy exploring the forum discussions.
I’m always interested to hear about your experiences, Bill, now that you are using Sibelius. I have considered switching but I just don’t have time at the moment to think about it due to my doctoral work. It hurts my heart to consider switching. I must have an emotional and practical attachment to NWC. Improved graphics would be so nice and I wonder if any of these things are doable without the developer but as plug ins or objects? I don’t know a thing about coding so…
I would be interested in other sites that you find!
I hope you are having a good summer wherever you are in the world.
The last few times I have tried to create a new project, it seems that I have messed up my templates, and they are nowhere to be found. My workaround has been to save an existing project as a new name and delete everything, but that is getting old fast.
Somehow, the "File' -> "New" is opening a different file. How do I redirect it to open the template folder?
Many thanks for your help,