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General Discussion / Filtered Properties
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User Tools / Re: Copy and past measures of mutiple staves
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General Discussion / Re: File and Project Organization
3 things that sort of help are:
1. An alphabetical spreadsheet that I update with titles, instrumentation, key, genre, when finished and when performed (and with whom). It doesn't show all the works in progress or ideas/fragments though. Those are a hot mess of chaos.
2. A Word document organized by instrumentation with just titles and dates
3. A CV list of works that includes the titles, dates and the performance information (so a bit of a combo of 1 and 2)
I never did become diligent about labelling drafts by dates, or numbers. It resulted in two embarrassing moments this year - one, in a rehearsal at the university, the soloist had the wrong draft (his fault, and we quickly found the updated one that I had emailed to him) but then I discovered there was an even newer update. Did it matter? Yes, because the pianist had the most current version. The only way we figured it out was when problems occurred in rehearsal. Version numbers in the title would have overcome this issue, and keeping better track of which version was the final one.
Second embarrassing moment: after a concert, I asked the soloist why she had sung the wrong lyrics in one phrase of a piece, and she showed me her score. She did not have the lyric change. Did it matter? Yes, I had changed the lyrics for a reason but I had not sent her the update.
It's just unprofessional and disorderly, and I feel stupid. I will try again.
In the meantime, has anyone else come up with any more good organizational tips for their composition/engraving work?
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User Tools / Re: Copy and past measures of mutiple staves
I was able to successfully cut out a chunk from an 8 stave composition, including the lyrics (which I have always had to edit manually previously). It was fairly quick and definitely faster than doing it individually (which can get confusing).
One glitch that happened twice (I redid it to check and see) was that one stave had one extra measure cut out of it. I'm not sure why this would be. Any insights?
A feature that would be useful would be an "undo" function.
Thank you for creating a useful tool! I can see myself using this regularly.
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Object Plugins / Re: Beam.hmm (0.9)
This is actually a handbell score which looks a bit like a very busy piano score but these notes are possibly played by separate ringers, depending upon the bell distribution. There is also a convention that the score splits at middle D so anything below D is placed in the bass staff.
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
https://www.wjporter.com/nwc/Spacer.htm
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General Discussion / Re: Bells Used Chart
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General Discussion / Re: Bells Used Chart
See the pics attached.
Thanks for your insights into solving this issue.
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General Discussion / Re: Bells Used Chart
Does anyone have any time/inclination/strength to look at the feasibility of an object that might handle this task? I am going to be studying handbell composing in the near future, so I anticipate needing to create these charts regularly. I tried copying and pasting one chart to another piece and the results made me want to run and hide...
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Object Plugins / Re: Beam.hmm (0.8)
Here is the lower stave
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First|Dur2:4th|Pos2:6
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:StemLength=7
|Rest|Dur:8th
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
and here is the middle stave:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=7
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-6
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-6
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=7
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
which is layer with the upper stave:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-1,6
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0,7|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-1,6|Opts:Stem=Up
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Would it look better to have the eighth notes on beats 2 and 3 beamed across the staves? If so, how is this achieved. I could not figure out how to get the middle stave stems to show up without the flags.
Thanks for your help.
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General Discussion / Beginner Tuba range
Thanks!
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General Discussion / Re: Disappearing Notes
Thanks!
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General Discussion / Disappearing Notes
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Bar|Visibility:Always
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Up,VertOffset=-3|Visibility:Always
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Always
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Always
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
These notes don't show up on the print out for some reason. They are layered with another two staves.
Thanks for your help.
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
This ensemble has requested more pieces.
I also just met another harpist on Monday.
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
You don’t actually use the line in harp scoring because it’s idiomatic to play that way.
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
I’m glad this thread is getting some discussion! 🎶
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
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General Discussion / NotePerformer
https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/noteperformer-3-1/
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
Could it apply to the entire score rather than one staff at a time?
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General Discussion / Re: How to fix this measure
Could you somehow piggy back the marker so that you would check a box and it would take care of the rests?
I was able to take care of it by doing a couple then doing copying and pasting for the rest.
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General Discussion / Re: Spacing out endings
I'm looking for that magician who knows all the tricks to figure out a way to do this.

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General Discussion / Re: How to fix this measure
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General Discussion / Re: How to fix this measure
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General Discussion / Re: How to fix this measure
I am trying to make the rests in this piece smaller when I use the piano part as a cue for the winds. Mike's cuehead tool doesn't work on the rests, just the notes,, and the grace note method makes the rest smaller, but the cue notes in the rest chord then disappear.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
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General Discussion / Spacing out endings
Thoughts?
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General Discussion / Re: How to fix this measure
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General Discussion / How to fix this measure
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Bar|Style:Double
|Text|Text:"Swing 8ths"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:11
|User|BarLabel.ms|Pos:13.5|Text:C|Scale:130|Visibility:SingleStaff
|RestChord|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-3
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-8,-6|Opts:Stem=Down
|RestChord|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-3
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-7,-5|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
How can I get the last eighth note to sit correctly within the 4/4 measure?
Thanks!
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General Discussion / Re: Sharing a file with Finale user
Now, I have been sent a file in .mxl format. I don't seem to be able to import it straight into NWC. Is there a trick?
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General Discussion / Sharing a file with Finale user
I can't remember how to do this. I need to send a file to a Finale user, and maintain the lyrics. I think XML is involved. Is that done within NWC or do I need to find a conversion tool online?
Thanks for you help!
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General Discussion / Re: Neumes and more
I forgot about the preserve width setting. I need to start using it!
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General Discussion / Re: Graphic score notation
Could you show me what you mean with the gliss object? The thickness is supposed to be the same as a beam.
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General Discussion / Re: Neumes and more

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/chants-psalms-and-hymns
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/ancient-notation
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General Discussion / Re: Graphic score notation
I tried to reproduce some proportional notation but it's tricky to get the thick lines longer. Here are some examples of trial runs.
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General Discussion / Re: Neumes and more
Here are some attempts:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Text|Text:"ʗ"|Font:StaffBold|Scale:200|Pos:1.5
|Text|Text:"ꝟ"|Font:PageText|Pos:-13.5
|Spacer|Width:225
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Text|Text:"′"|Font:PageText|Pos:3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Text|Text:"\}"|Font:PageSmallText|Scale:50|Pos:1
|Spacer|Width:125
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:-2g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Bar|Style:Double
|Text|Text:"ꝶ"|Font:PageText|Pos:-13.5|Color:1
|Spacer|Width:300|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Text|Text:"′"|Font:PageText|Pos:3|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Bar|Style:Double
|Boundary|Style:NewSystem|NewPage:N
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
I don't like the spacing of the first three words. I attempted a different approach:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Text|Text:"ʗ"|Font:StaffBold|Scale:200|Pos:1.5
|Text|Text:"ꝟ"|Font:PageText|Pos:-13.5
|Spacer|Width:575
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down
|Spacer|Width:525
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Text|Text:"′"|Font:PageText|Pos:3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Text|Text:"\}"|Font:PageSmallText|Scale:50|Pos:1
|Spacer|Width:125
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:-2g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Bar|Style:Double
|Text|Text:"ꝶ"|Font:PageText|Pos:-13.5|Color:1
|Spacer|Width:300|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Text|Text:"′"|Font:PageText|Pos:3|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:-1g|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0|Color:1
|Bar|Style:Double
|Boundary|Style:NewSystem|NewPage:N
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
but this doesn't quite fix the problem either.
Can you see the lyrics? If not, I will attach the files.
I used red for the response since I still don't know how to do italics easily. The "C" in the beginning is my attempt to copy that internet example.
Mike S, what say you?
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General Discussion / Re: Things I Don't Know
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General Discussion / Neumes and more
https://www.nku.edu/~gartigw/gospel_table_080519_files/A-Advent%201%20RCL%20Matthew%2024_36-44%20(2%20pages)%20101112.pdf[/b]
maybe use the shaped la note in whole note form for the open rectangle and stemless quarter note form for the solid rectangle? What about the other parts of the score - lyrics, tiny bar lines, etc.?
The last post on this topic was 11 years ago.
Thanks
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Object Plugins / Re: ConnectBarlines.hmm (0.4)
I'm not sure if it's always needed. I just grabbed a handful of recently published choral scores and none of them had it. It is nice to have the option though.
When would you use it in the middle of a piece?
What are your thoughts on the necessity of it? I haven't checked BB yet. I asked my composition prof and she said that it was ok to not use it.
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General Discussion / Re: Graphic score notation
I have already experimented with removing all stems, bar lines, and reducing the staff lines to 1, then using colours on the noteheads with a legend explaining the colours. It looks slightly different but not alarmingly so. It leaves it up to the performers to determine some things like actual pitch and quality. It's totally exploratory for me at this stage.
I like the heart score. It is very old (14th century, I believe)
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General Discussion / Re: Need to put one verse in italics - any ideas?
If you see this reply, could you upload a photo of what the score ends up looking like? What are the pros and cons of this approach?
I still haven't figured out how to run a "script".

I have a certain degree of technophobia in that I'm afraid to do anything that will mess up my computer because I can't afford to be without it for any length of time...

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General Discussion / Re: Orchestration Template
Didn't see an attachment for your 28-12-18 question.Looked at the 21-12-28 example, and the concept seems okay.The colours you apparently want to use are missing - other than the first few "chords" showing ranges, all the notes are the same colour.The dynamicsas showndon't clearly show the message you're trying to convey.Why are they there?You should explain them on the page.
The "beginner" range seems awfully limited, and are you sure where it begins?
Range diagrams in Sammy Nestico's The Complete Arranger don't describe the tonal qualities.
I don't have the book readily to hand but I believe he writes just the bottom and top notes of the instrument's range, marking the difficult ones with parentheses more or less like this:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Text|Text:"( )"|Font:PageText|Scale:70|Pos:-14|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Text|Text:"Concert pitch"|Font:StaffBold|Pos:14|Placement:BestFitForward
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:b-14
|Spacer|Width:150
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:b-12
|Spacer|Width:125
|User|Glissando.ms|Pos:-13|Text:
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:7
|Spacer|Width:125
|Text|Text:"( )"|Font:PageText|Scale:70|Pos:12|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:11|Opts:Stem=Down
|Spacer|Width:200
|Bar
|Text|Text:"Notated as"|Font:StaffBold|Pos:14|Placement:BestFitForward
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-13
|Spacer|Width:150
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:b-11
|Spacer|Width:125
|User|Glissando.ms|Pos:-13|Text:
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:8
|Spacer|Width:125
|Text|Text:"( )"|Font:PageText|Scale:70|Pos:12|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:12|Opts:Stem=Down
|Spacer|Width:150
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Sorry, David, I missed your response in the flurry of getting back to my studies. The beginner ranges change depending on which book I consult. I am not familiar with the one that you mentioned.
How do I get the nwc example you posted to show up in NWC? I can't remember how to do that.
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General Discussion / Re: Things I Don't Know
Thanks, Mike, for your quick and easy method to printing parts. I forgot that was an option and it would be a good way to ensure that the parts are the most current version, rather than having a separate file languishing while I make edits to the main score. I have been caught with my "notes down" before when I forgot to update the file.
You've given me a few things to think about:
Tempo Tracks - I am inconsistent with using one. Sometimes I just include the tempos in one or all of the parts I am writing. It's visually messy unless I hide some of them. My concern is that when I am printing just a part, that the tempo wouldn't be there, but can I control that with the visibility settings if it is on a tempo track? Same thing with the rehearsal letters, which I do use. I figured out that I can include them in different staves and set the visibility to print when it's just that part being printed, but can I also just put the rehearsal mark in the tempo track as well and set the visibility for printing? I think that Warren and David are doing it differently, and I am wondering if there are pros and cons of each approach?
Thanks again for your help with this. I have been a NWC user since version 1 and am still learning how to use the new and not so new advanced features. Did I miss a tutorial or document that explains everything? I've worked through the version 2.75 materials that I could find and they were still quite basic.
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General Discussion / Re: Graphic score notation
I am going to try using my computer instead of my phone.
If you are interested, there are some cool looking scores in this article:
https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/latest/graphic-scores-art-music-pictures/
I'm not necessarily looking to be that avantgarde...
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General Discussion / Graphic score notation
I have an example from Roger Dean’s Creative Improvisation”. The lines of beamed notes are diagonal as opposed to straight across.
I’m unable to upload the photo example for some reason. 😞
There are other possibilities I’m interested in as well.
Thanks
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General Discussion / Things I Don't Know
One of them is part printing/set up.
I have been doing this by hand - preparing a separate part based on the master score. Basically, I delete all the other parts and save under the single part (ex. "flute only" or "choral only" or "voices only" as opposed to "choral flute piano" I think there is an easier way to do this, but I don't know how yet. I found this thread but it is 7-9 years old. Could someone please update the topic or let me know if this still applies?
https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=2316.msg56422#msg56422
Another mystery to me, and this may be related, is how to use the visibility options. I have only ever used Default and Never. What's up with all the other settings?
Thanks
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Object Plugins / Re: ConnectBarlines.hmm (0.4)
I have just installed the connectbarlines object but it doesn't seem to work with a layered choral score where the SA are layered together and the TB are layered together. I get one longer line for the women and men but it doesn't connect up. Do you know what I am doing incorrectly?
Thanks
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General Discussion / Re: Orchestration Template
Here is what I came up with, plus I have a cheat sheet of comments from orchestrations manuals on how to write for the oboe.
Does this look sensible? I’m thinking of adding all the winds then doing a separate one for brass, strings, percussion etc.
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Object Plugins / Re: CueStaff.hmm (0.6)
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General Discussion / Re: Need to put one verse in italics - any ideas?
When the instructions say to use the clipboard, what exactly is that? Is it in NWC or in a text editor?
How do you run the .vbs ?
I have a feeling this gets done outside of NWC.
Thanks and Merry Christmas!!