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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Mike Shawaluk -
Once you're aware of it it's not absurd, but maybe changing it to take care of the already present beams would be more intuitive.
In this optic, there is also the problem of manually lengthen the note stem to make room for the tremolo.
There's not much I can do on that account. A user object can't tell NWC to draw (or change the playback of) its notes differently. If this were possible, it wouldn't be necessary to mute notes for effects that have playback. Perhaps if there is ever a "next generation" of NWC, it will allow for this sort of interaction between objects and native notes.

At least now it is easier to lengthen/shorten note stems on the fly, using Alt+Up/Down arrow.
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Flurmy -
Once you're aware of it it's not absurd, but maybe changing it to take care of the already present beams would be more intuitive.
In this optic, there is also the problem of manually lengthen the note stem to make room for the tremolo.
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Mike Shawaluk -
So I looked at the code, and I am fairly certain I am implementing things correctly according to "Behind Bars". It is unfortunate that I call the parameter "beams"; it should probably be "strokes" as is used in BB. Basically, the duration of the individual notes played for the tremolo are the same as a note with that many beams/flags, if the tremolo note is a note with no flags/beams (i.e. quarter note or longer). If the tremolo is on a beamed/flagged note, then the individual note duration is the sum of the note's beams and tremolo strokes.  And the number of notes played is however many will fit in the original note's duration.

Does that make sense?
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by hmmueller -
Mike, I think you are right. In the attachment are three excerpts from Bruckner's 7th symphony (two at the very beginning, one almost at the end); where one can see that the tremolo markers on the eighths have two beams, whereas the tremolos on longer notes have three beams. Of course, the tremolo speed is the same everywhere in a phrase.

Elaine Gould implicitly, by examples and by implying that the notation is (also) used for "measured tremolos", implies the same on pp.222-225 of "Behind Bars".

H.M.
 
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Flurmy -
Mike, I don't know, otherwise I'd have discussed it with you.
I'll try looking at some books, unless someone else here already knows the answer.
Anyway, as I wrote, the thing is rational.
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Mike Shawaluk -
I recently made the same discovery.
The fact is that the speed of the tremolo is computed by dividing the note duration by the number of beams of the tremolo.
So, if the note already has some beams...
Indeed, if you lengthen the note stem as you should to have something decent to show, the thing starts having sense.

I thought that this is how tremolos are supposed to work. If it is not, please explain how it should be, and I'll make the necessary fixes.
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Flurmy -
I recently made the same discovery.
The fact is that the speed of the tremolo is computed by dividing the note duration by the number of beams of the tremolo.
So, if the note already has some beams...
Indeed, if you lengthen the note stem as you should to have something decent to show, the thing starts having sense.
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by jonnotes -
Hi Mike

So good of you to persist in bothering with my little niggles...!

I now understand why I cannot have tremolo and legato on a split stave (though I still don't understand why it actually does happen at the beginning of bar 24...!).  My preference has always been for avoiding layered staves, and to go with slighty imperfect effects/looks and tolerate them...!

During my further experimentation, I discovered the 'feature' that, as soon as the tremolo object finds a quaver (8th) or smaller note, it adds a spurious extra beam to the current note - not physically/visually, but in its operation.  I am not a string player, but I'd like to bet that a violinist does not alter the rate of 'scrubbing' according to different note lengths!  I attach a little file to demonstrate this.  It can be overcome by patient and individual alteration of the beaming for the shorter notes - but not completely, since the object does not allow a number of beams smaller than 1.

As ever, very grateful for your patient attention to my ramblings...!

Jonathan
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Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.1)
Last post by Mike Shawaluk -
I expect I missed out years ago (again) on the explanation as to why the User object mutes the relevant notes, and why they nevertheless sound...
The short answer is that the user object plays the tremolo sound, which needs to replace the sound that a plain note would have made. So the note needs to be muted so you don't hear the sustained note on top of the tremolo sound.

And that; is precisely the problem in your score. You don't have the tremolo notes muted, so they are sounding along with the tremolo playback. And NWC does not give us a way of muting only one side of a split chord. The way to fix this would be to use layered staves, with the tremolo notes on one staff and the slurred part on the other.