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General Discussion / Re: staves with different time signatures
Rich: 
I asked you this in my reply #2, but you may not have seen it:
I'm not sure how you have a 9/8 time signature governing the 3/4 tripletized measures. I had the measures governed by a hidden 3/4 after a visible 9/8.
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General Discussion / Re: staves with different time signatures
Rich, you beat me. I had the same idea. I'm not sure how you have a 9/8 time signature governing the 3/4 tripletized measures. I had the measures governed by a hidden 3/4 after a visible 9/8.
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.751)
|Editor|ActiveStaff:2|CaretIndex:16|CaretPos:3
|SongInfo|Title:""|Author:"<Name>"|Lyricist:""|Copyright1:"Copyright © 2023 <Name>"|Copyright2:"All Rights Reserved"
|PgSetup|StaffSize:16|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|PrintSystemSepMark:N|ExtendLastSystem:N|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:0|StaffLabels:None|BarNumbers:None|StartingBar:1
|Font|Style:StaffItalic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffBold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffLyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:7.2|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageTitleText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageSmallText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User1|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User2|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User3|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User4|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User5|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.27|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:12|BoundaryBottom:12|Lines:5|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Bar
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff-1"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:2
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|TimeSig|Signature:9/8
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Marker|Pos:8.5|Target:Slur,Triplet|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Marker|Pos:8.5|Target:Slur,Triplet|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Marker|Pos:8.5|Target:Slur,Triplet|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
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General Discussion / Re: Mid Export
I was mistaken about the nwc file. I have a hard drive connected via a wi-fi router. I generally save to my computer, then copy to the wi-fi drive. But I exported the midi directly to that drive. When I saved the normal nwc file to that drive directly, it also had a bad timestamp. I'll have to see if the router has a clock in it which is not set correctly.
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General Discussion / Mid Export
When I save a .nwc file, the Date modified is correct. I then exported that piece to midi. The modified date for the .mid file was 4/14/2008 4:10 PM. I exported again. and the Date modified was 4/14/2008 4:30 PM. Can anyone explain this?
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General Discussion / Re: Extra spacing for longer notes
(I was typing this when Lawrie replied.) I have the same version, and I just tested this. It seems to work as expected for me. I assume you have double checked that it actually became unchecked. But there are other things which affect note spacing. If there are multiple staves, the notes align between staves. I.e., if a measure on one staff has 4 eighth notes, and the corresponding measure in another staff has a half note, the half note will take extra space to align with the eighths. Also, lyrics will affect note spacing. Spacing, I think, will normally be one note width between notes. That can be manually shrunk by inserting spacers between the notes. Default for a spacer is one-half a note width but can be shrunk to zero by editing its properties. Of course, spacing cannot be shrunk if another staff, or lyrics, prevents it. I am hardly an NWC expert, so perhaps someone else with more experience can explain further.

Correction: when using spacers, note spacing can be decreased such that lyrics collide with each other.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarCounter.hmm 0.5
After 3 years I rediscovered this object, and it is really nice. One thing I noticed, comparing my nwc version to the original (which had similar bar numbers): For numbers starting at the beginning of a line, the original placed them immediately after the key signature (and time signature, if present). This object placed them under (and conflicting with) the clef. Would that be an option you might consider adding?
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General Discussion / Cue notes below multi-measure rests
I'm using the workaround from this topic
https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=8347.msg58677#msg58677
to try and post some cues for the percussionist to know where he is during long rests. I would like the cues to be directly under the start of the multi-measure rest. In the attached, I try the cues both before and after the rests, but I cannot get the cues under the rests. I also tried spacers in measures 3-8. Is it possible?
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General Discussion / Re: Script Running?
I did that and the only line containing "alert" was the following on line 592:
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<section id="msg_73979" class="messageContent">Cntl/U displays the source code of the browser. Look for the word &quot;alert&quot; with its contents in parenthesis ().
I tried searching for some of the words in the pop-up and didn't find any. It happened again today, but only once. At one time I wondered if the pop-up could be coming from Outlook, my email program, which is almost always open.
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General Discussion / Re: Script Running?
I did some searches on the error message but didn't find a solution. Everyone seems surprised that the name of the browser is not displayed. Is the message coming out of a java script interpreter which might be used by more than one browser? This has happened before and seems to go away with a reboot. My system did an auto reboot, and so far, it has not come back. Thanks for your ideas.
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General Discussion / Space for second page title
I should be able to figure this out, but I can't seem to do it easily. Piece has no lyrics. I am using PageTxtMaestro and multiple PgTxts as the first items in the file to create title information. I have the Staff Upper and Lower Boundaries set to 38 and 5 to allow room for the title lines. In the second measure I have a Boundary Change with Set new boundary offset set to 15 and 5 for the staff lines after the first. But this is too close to the top on the second page. I could add two additional Boundary Changes for the top and other staves on the second page, but I would have to figure out exactly where in the score to add them. And this would get very tedious for a ten-page work. Is there one object or setting to leave extra space at the top of every page?
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General Discussion / Script Running?
This is probably not related to Noteworthy, but I don't know where else to ask, and the nwc forum was the only thing running, and everyone on this forum is so smart!. For browsers, I have MS Edge and Google Chrome installed. The only tab open in Edge was this forum. Chrome had nothing open. I got the attached pop-up (again). Do you think I have some kind of malware running?
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General Discussion / Re: Placing objects at left edge of staff
Quote from: Peter Edwards –
Just put a single bar line before the first clef. But why would you want to: it's not generally considered correct?
And this doesn't work with any other bar line style!
I saw it in a piece of percussion music on a single line staff. When I tried to recreate it, one line at a time, it put the bar line indented about a quarter inch from the left edge of the staff.
Quote from: Flurmy –
Did you try "Justification: Right" and "Alignment/Placement: At next note/bar"?
It seems to me the most logical combination.
That works, except you have to pad the text with spaces to line it up where you want it. For multiple lines, this is a lot of trial and error.
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
I have successfully left aligned text entries at the start of a system using the following:
This seems much more complicated than using right alignment and padding with spaces.
Thanks to all for your replies. I don't know what "Alignment/Placement: As Staff Signature" does. It seems from its name that it would do what I want.
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General Discussion / Placing objects at left edge of staff
I tried to research this before posting a question, but I couldn't find anything which worked. 1. I have a bar with "force system break" set. Immediately following it I place text. I want the text to align with the left edge of the staff. I thought that Properties: Justification: Left, and Alignment/Placement: As Staff Signature would do that, but it doesn't seem to. I can get what I want with trial and error using center or right justification and spaces inserted before or after the text, but that is a lot of work. 2. With a single staff, how do I put a bar line at the beginning of each printed staff?
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General Discussion / Re: Uneven beat between Notes in alto staff and notes in Tenor/bass staff
The dotted quarter (stem down) and eighth note (2 beats total) are the bass part. The half note (stem up, also 2 beats) is the tenor part, which holds that single note (with the tie) into the next measure. If you are putting tenor and bass parts on separate staffs and then layering them (recommended), place the half note (with tie) on the upper staff. Set the note to stem up. In note properties, set Extra Note Spacing to 2 and Tie Direction to Upwards. On the lower staff, insert the dotted quarter and eight notes. Set the dotted quarter to stem down. If you are placing the tenor and bass notes together on the same staff as a chord, it can be done: Place the half note, with tie. Set it to stem up. Set the note property to Tie Direction Upward. Then use ctl-enter to add the dotted quarter. Then add the eighth note normally. This method will display slightly differently (the half note will be before the dotted quarter) but will still be musically accurate.
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General Discussion / Re: Can not put tie
Assuming a treble clef, the first note is a G and the second a G#. You cannot tie two notes of different pitches. So that must be a slur. If the clef is not a treble clef, the notes are not G and G#, but they are still different pitches.
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General Discussion / Re: No time Signature
The c is actually a time signature. It means Common Time, which is the same as 4/4. In Noteworthy, it can be set using Insert > Time Signature, and selecting a Style of Common Time.  Also, Andante is a tempo marking, usually measured at 76 to 108 beats per minute. You would have to enter the Tempo as desired, and then add the Andante as text. It is not a dynamic (loudness) or dynamic variance.
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General Discussion / Re: Change from mol to Chrois
In English, the "b" is a flat and the # is a sharp. When changing the key signature, the default is to cancel the old key with natural sign(s). If you select (highlight) the new key signature, then right click and select Properties. you can then check the Hide Cancellations box. The natural signs will still show in the editor, but grayed out, and will not print.
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General Discussion / Re: How can I attach image file
You may not need to post an attachment. It sounds like you have eighth and/or sixteenth notes together, and you want to have the flags combined. The bar which replaces the flags is called a beam, and all you need to do is select the adjacent flagged notes (highlight them). Then from the menu, select Edit > Beam. Even easier is to click on the tool bar icon with two eighth notes and a red beam. O you can press ctrl-B on the keyboard. If that was not your intention, then post the image.
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General Discussion / Re: windows 11
This probably should be a new thread, but... I know there are/were users who were very connected with this software development. Rick (now gone) comes to mind. There may be others. If this software is truly abandoned, does anyone think it would be possible to convert it to open source? Would any of the regular users and/or user tool developers be able to do anything with it if it were?
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General Discussion / Beaming
In NWC, is it possible to have, for example, eight sixteenth notes (stem up) beamed with the top beam across all eight notes, and the lower beam stopping between notes 4 and 5? If not, is there a hack to do it?
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General Discussion / Re: "Scoring Notes" article on the history of notation programs
Quote from: hmmueller –
Minimal remarks about the two scores: The 16th beams in the trumpets in m.3 and m.7 are definitely wrong in the Sibelius score.
What are the rules for "half-beams"? It seems that the definitive source for notation rules is "Behind Bars." I assume one needs to buy the paper book ($74 on Amazon) or Kindle version ($41) to use this reference work. Are there references online?
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General Discussion / Digital Whiteout
I've searched the forum for "Digital Whiteout" and I find many references to it, but I haven't figured out how to select "White" as a color. It seems like the color choices are fixed, and white is not one of them. How do I make text white?
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General Discussion / Re: Percussion Staff Bar Lines
Wow, that was simple. The endings are normally rendered by the top staff (Visibility: Default = yes), with lower staves default = not visible, and I didn't think to try to override that. But all that was needed was to set the top staff ending visibility to Never and the second staff to Always!
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General Discussion / Re: Percussion Staff Bar Lines
HM: Filling all staves to equal length makes sense., and I tried that initially. I was trying Opagust's suggestion, which worked for my one line file, but not for the longer file. But, with all staves filled, I cannot get the special endings, which are rendered from the top staff, to display as I want them. (See earliest attachments.) I've tried spacers and stemless, headless grace notes in the top staff, ,as well as invisible duplicates of the staff 2 items., But I cannot get the second ending to start the bracket just after the master repeat.
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General Discussion / Re: Percussion Staff Bar Lines
This is bizarre. My actual file had 5 lines, When I leave staff 1 and staff 3 empty, the editor and viewer show the longer bar lines for the whole file, but Print Preview only shows the first line. If I fill the first staff, 8 measures only, with bar lines and invisible half rests, with a Force System Break after the 8th measure, Print Preview still only shows one line. If I add one more rest in measure 9, two lines (only) show in Print Preview, but the bar lines for the second line have short bottoms (as attached). I need to fill the third staff to get the second line bars to descend properly. I appreciate the help, and think this looks like a bug, but I assume it will never be fixed.
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General Discussion / Re: Percussion Staff Bar Lines
I thought of some of those tricks, but, unfortunately, the staff contains decorated bar lines. Not easy to simulate. It's too bad you can't have a 5 line staff with lines 1,2,4 and 5 invisible.
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General Discussion / Re: Note color question
Quote from: Mike Shawaluk –
...it seems that a tie will inherit the color of the note it is tied from.
I think I'd consider the beam color a bug. The beam (and slur) seem to be a "property" of the note. So I would expect them to inherit the color of the (first?) beamed note (as does the tie). Or should the marker be expanded to include beams? As for the slur, it makes sense that the marker would not affect the color of the slur after the beginning of the slur. (See clip; second marker has no effect.)
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Marker|Pos:0|Color:6
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First|Color:2
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Color:2
|Marker|Pos:0|Color:2
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

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General Discussion / Note color question
I am trying to change the color of some beamed notes. When I select the notes and change the color, the note heads, stems and accents change to the new color, but the beams, slurs and leger lines do not. I can then change the note heads to a different color (observation only; I don't actually want to do that.) I would, however, like to know if it is possible to change the beam and slur color. I guess I don't care about the leger line color, since I'm not changing the staff color.
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General Discussion / Re: Preparing Teaching Tracks
Jumping in, since I used to prepare choir rehearsal files. My method was quite simple. I created a file with each voice on a different channel. I then modified the stereo pan for the soprano to 0 and the pan for the other parts to 127, and saved the file as name-S. I then repeated the process, setting the alto to 0 and resetting the soprano to 127, and Save As name-A. Similar for tenor and bass. The listener hears their part in one ear, and the others in the other ear. Creating each file (after the initial prep) was less that 1 minute each. Dynamics (which I rarely used) would not be affected. Just my two cents.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarCounter.hmm 0.4
I'm not sure if this the same bug reported above. I've noticed with a couple of scores, the measure numbers in the edit screen (with viewer mode on or off) change as I scroll the screen (from Image1 to Image2). They seem to always be correct in the Print Preview, so it's not all that serious. It does seem to be related to MMRs. If I scroll further right, the problem goes away.
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Object Plugins / Re: CueHeads.ms (1.0)
In another thread on this forum someone suggested posting "how-to" questions in the General forum. But this thread already has a lot of "how-to", so I am adding this question here: With a split stem chord (higher note stem up; lower note stem down; both same duration), is it possible to shorten the stem of the cue note without shortening the main note?
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General Discussion / Staff Line Weight
I've been fooling around with trying to match an 18th century music engraving. The staff line thickness is about 20% of the distance from top of a line to top of the next line. Is it possible to make the lines of the nwc staff heavier without changing the line spacing?  I also need to make the repeat bars with two heavy bars. I think I can simulate that by adding a normal bar and a zero width  spacer. I'm also trying to create an nwc font to match the clef. time signature numbers and the eight note (non-beamed) flag, which is a simple diagonal line. I am also using some of the "new" objects. For instance, the original music had stem up and stem down eight notes (more than an octave apart) with the beam between them. The beam object worked great for that.
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General Discussion / Re: Muted notes
Here is what worked for me.
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"tr"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:8
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
I guess I've been out of nwc for a while. I follow the forum, but haven't yet used any user objects, and forgot about the trill object, which has been around for 4 YEARS!
When I try to put the object in my existing file (with all default properties) in front of a single quarter note, it draws 2 vertical rectangles, but plays ok. I had overridden the nwc font with Pardy's MusikDingsSerif font. Apparently, the "tr" glyph is not defined in that font. I switched it back to the default and the "tr" displayed correctly.
Rick, your solution seems to work well also, but the trill object is the best.
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General Discussion / Re: Muted notes
I did come up with a work-around: Since the trilled note was a quarter note, I was able to delete the muted quarter note, and then make the first of the 8 thirty-second notes visible. The other 7 thirty-second notes and all the beams remained hidden The first 32nd note looks like a quarter note. That works for me in this case, but would not work if the trilled note was not a quarter note. Curiously, after I did this, in Viewer Mode (eyeglasses icon) the hidden notes took up no space, but in Print Preview mode, there was a big gap where the hidden noted were. I was able to get rid of that space by adding a spacer.
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General Discussion / Muted notes
In attempting to create a trill, I put in the trilled note and muted it. Then I followed it with the sounding notes with Visibility: Never. Unfortunately, the muted note still takes up time, as if it were a rest. Why would one want a muted note to take up time? Is it possible to show the muted note without taking up any time? I don't think there is an appropriate character to insert it as text. I know I could use an invisible sounding staff and a muted visible staff (I've done it often), but that seems like a lot of work for one note.
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Avant-garde / Re: Random Chord Generator
Under IE 11, the first link gives me "This page can't be displayed-- Turn on TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1, and TLS 1.2 in Advanced settings and try connecting to https://yukulele.gitlab.io  again. If this error persists, it is possible that this site uses an unsupported protocol or cipher suite such as RC4 (link for the details), which is not considered secure. Please contact your site administrator."

Under Chrome, the link works.
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General Discussion / Re: Happy Birthday
Quote from: Richard Woodroffe –
Couldn't resist taking it a step further.
Here it is again in just 3 bars (measures).
Somewhat of a cheat -  but nevertheless, just 3
 :))
You really tried to hide what you did, didn't you. Why set the Ending Vertical Offsets to 100 when they are also Visibility:Never. Apparently that is just to hide them in the editor. And you set the Instrument Name (with transposition) to a blank space to hide that in the editor. And the attachment is in binary, so it must be opened and then saved as .nwctxt to analyze.
You could probably do the whole thing with a single note by adding tempo changes (assuming NWC supports enough endings).
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General Discussion / Re: hiding line
Off the original topic, but do you find .jpg a good image format for music/text? I prefer .png, or even .gif for text with minimum colors and maximum contrast.