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1 seems that a tie will inherit the color of the note it is tied from.
I think I'd consider the beam color a bug. The beam (and slur) seem to be a "property" of the note. So I would expect them to inherit the color of the (first?) beamed note (as does the tie). Or should the marker be expanded to include beams? As for the slur, it makes sense that the marker would not affect the color of the slur after the beginning of the slur. (See clip; second marker has no effect.)
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General Discussion / Note color question
I am trying to change the color of some beamed notes. When I select the notes and change the color, the note heads, stems and accents change to the new color, but the beams, slurs and leger lines do not. I can then change the note heads to a different color (observation only; I don't actually want to do that.) I would, however, like to know if it is possible to change the beam and slur color. I guess I don't care about the leger line color, since I'm not changing the staff color.
Jumping in, since I used to prepare choir rehearsal files. My method was quite simple. I created a file with each voice on a different channel. I then modified the stereo pan for the soprano to 0 and the pan for the other parts to 127, and saved the file as name-S. I then repeated the process, setting the alto to 0 and resetting the soprano to 127, and Save As name-A. Similar for tenor and bass. The listener hears their part in one ear, and the others in the other ear. Creating each file (after the initial prep) was less that 1 minute each. Dynamics (which I rarely used) would not be affected. Just my two cents.
Object Plugins / Re: (2.1)
I am trying to print the wavy line without the "tr" text. Is that possible?
Object Plugins / Re: BarCounter.hmm 0.4
I'm not sure if this the same bug reported above. I've noticed with a couple of scores, the measure numbers in the edit screen (with viewer mode on or off) change as I scroll the screen (from Image1 to Image2). They seem to always be correct in the Print Preview, so it's not all that serious. It does seem to be related to MMRs. If I scroll further right, the problem goes away.
Object Plugins / Re: (1.0)
In another thread on this forum someone suggested posting "how-to" questions in the General forum. But this thread already has a lot of "how-to", so I am adding this question here: With a split stem chord (higher note stem up; lower note stem down; both same duration), is it possible to shorten the stem of the cue note without shortening the main note?
General Discussion / Staff Line Weight
I've been fooling around with trying to match an 18th century music engraving. The staff line thickness is about 20% of the distance from top of a line to top of the next line. Is it possible to make the lines of the nwc staff heavier without changing the line spacing?  I also need to make the repeat bars with two heavy bars. I think I can simulate that by adding a normal bar and a zero width  spacer. I'm also trying to create an nwc font to match the clef. time signature numbers and the eight note (non-beamed) flag, which is a simple diagonal line. I am also using some of the "new" objects. For instance, the original music had stem up and stem down eight notes (more than an octave apart) with the beam between them. The beam object worked great for that.
General Discussion / Re: Muted notes
Lawrie, Thanks. I just finished refreshing those fonts and all is well.
General Discussion / Re: Muted notes
Here is what worked for me.
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I guess I've been out of nwc for a while. I follow the forum, but haven't yet used any user objects, and forgot about the trill object, which has been around for 4 YEARS!
When I try to put the object in my existing file (with all default properties) in front of a single quarter note, it draws 2 vertical rectangles, but plays ok. I had overridden the nwc font with Pardy's MusikDingsSerif font. Apparently, the "tr" glyph is not defined in that font. I switched it back to the default and the "tr" displayed correctly.
Rick, your solution seems to work well also, but the trill object is the best.
General Discussion / Re: Muted notes
I did come up with a work-around: Since the trilled note was a quarter note, I was able to delete the muted quarter note, and then make the first of the 8 thirty-second notes visible. The other 7 thirty-second notes and all the beams remained hidden The first 32nd note looks like a quarter note. That works for me in this case, but would not work if the trilled note was not a quarter note. Curiously, after I did this, in Viewer Mode (eyeglasses icon) the hidden notes took up no space, but in Print Preview mode, there was a big gap where the hidden noted were. I was able to get rid of that space by adding a spacer.
General Discussion / Muted notes
In attempting to create a trill, I put in the trilled note and muted it. Then I followed it with the sounding notes with Visibility: Never. Unfortunately, the muted note still takes up time, as if it were a rest. Why would one want a muted note to take up time? Is it possible to show the muted note without taking up any time? I don't think there is an appropriate character to insert it as text. I know I could use an invisible sounding staff and a muted visible staff (I've done it often), but that seems like a lot of work for one note.
Avant-garde / Re: Random Chord Generator
Under IE 11, the first link gives me "This page can't be displayed-- Turn on TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1, and TLS 1.2 in Advanced settings and try connecting to  again. If this error persists, it is possible that this site uses an unsupported protocol or cipher suite such as RC4 (link for the details), which is not considered secure. Please contact your site administrator."

Under Chrome, the link works.
General Discussion / Re: Happy Birthday
Couldn't resist taking it a step further.
Here it is again in just 3 bars (measures).
Somewhat of a cheat -  but nevertheless, just 3
You really tried to hide what you did, didn't you. Why set the Ending Vertical Offsets to 100 when they are also Visibility:Never. Apparently that is just to hide them in the editor. And you set the Instrument Name (with transposition) to a blank space to hide that in the editor. And the attachment is in binary, so it must be opened and then saved as .nwctxt to analyze.
You could probably do the whole thing with a single note by adding tempo changes (assuming NWC supports enough endings).
....  As a default, the master repeat will repeat twice unless you tell it to repeat more times using special endings...
I hate to be picky, but it only repeats once. (It plays once, then repeats once, for a total of 2 times.)  :) Sorry, Richard, I couldn't resist.
General Discussion / Re: hiding line
Why not create a new topic?

Because it was directed at the OP about the image in the original post. Perhaps I should have said "off the original question."
General Discussion / Re: hiding line
Off the original topic, but do you find .jpg a good image format for music/text? I prefer .png, or even .gif for text with minimum colors and maximum contrast.
I think the OP is asking if there is a way to search his files for specific text in Copyright Notice 2. Wouldn't that go into any score based on that template, unless changed?
User Tools / Re: Number notation tool
I didn't say I liked it or would use it; only that I was intrigued. But it is apparently useful to at least a couple of people.
But my point was: Could NWC be considered as "supporting" this notation? If so, that information could be added to the Software section of the wiki article.
User Tools / Re: Number notation tool
I looked at the Wikipedia link and was intrigued. It has a section on software. Is this tool significantly robust to add NWC to that section? I did notice that they seemed to use traditional flats and sharps, rather than the / and \.
Thanks. I haven't done much with NWC in quite a while, and I'm still at 2.51 (though I follow the forum). I'll upgrade and try your suggestion.
How is the title positioned on the page? Is room reserved for Author, Copyright, etc. even if those fields are empty? I have the Staff Upper Boundary set to 5, which is the minimum for a five-line staff. There is still over 1/2 inch between the title and the top staff. Is there any way to reduce this, other than disable the title and print it as text, which would be a pain?
Isn't that usually indicated as "eighth/eighth" = tripleted "dotted eighth/sixteenth"? I.e. 2 notes = 2 notes?
One "crash": that I have frequently happens if a security popup asks for permission to install something. The screens all dim until a response is given. Then the screens come back to normal, but the display screen has frozen. I have to restart SSP to fix. Don't know if this could be related to your issue.

I must be in a fog. I was responding about a different program crashing....
Richard, I don't consider you on the other side of the planet, only across the pond. Lawrie, on the other hand....
Anyway, a merry Christmas to all.
I'm not sure if this could be a part of it, but I constantly hear that you should never have "no key signature." You should always (I'm told) put in a C major key signature, which will be hidden.
General Discussion / Re: "A New NWC 3?"
I had exactly the same idea. I'm glad someone else agrees with me. Only it's such a vast improvement that I think it needs to be nwc 4.0 (think Microsoft Windows 10). Or is it only half-vast?
The dotted quarter has the Extra Note Spacing property set to 1. That moves the note one note head space to the right.
I think what you need to do is decide where the system breaks happen, (or force them where you want them) and add a bar line at those points in all staves. That bar line can be made invisible (Visibility: Never) and excluded from bar count.
Also, when I read one topic in a given forum, that forum shows as having been read, while there are still unread topics there.
I think that is the behavior I would expect. I think the icon is for "new posts since last visit," not "unread posts exist." If I visit a forum and read a few posts, should the forum still show "new posts" until I read all of the hundreds of posts on that forum?
I made a few changes to Bill's file.
1. The mf's in the Soprano and Alto parts before the repeat open are not necessary. Sop and Alto will already play at the default dynamic the first time through.
2. For the 4 ppp's, I added a Property: Custom Note Velocity set to 0 1. (The default was 10, very soft. Zero 1 essentially mutes it completely.)
3. I added notes after the Soprano and Alto repeat closes to show...
4. A dynamic is needed after the Sop and Alto repeat close to restore the sound for the notes which follow.

(Edit) Thanks, Rick, for the link. I agree with the thread that zero should be zero. I guess I should have listened before attaching. I also left 3 staves muted from testing. Hopefully correct now.
General Discussion / Re: How do I .....?
how can I make 4 semi-quavers [4 sixteenths] to 1.5 crotchets [1.5 quarters, or 6 sixteenths]?
Likewise in attachment Note_2.jpg (the 4 quavers [4 eighths] in question must be equivalent to 3 crotchets [3 quarters or 6 eighths]).
I quoted the OP's request, and added American names for the British challenged (like myself) I hope I got it right. If I did, his intent is to extend the length of the notes, not reduce them. In my quick research it appears that a bracketed 4 should, indeed, reduce the note length. But I believe in compound triplet time, it can be used to lengthen a note. I know that a bracketed 2 does increase note length by 1.5. So I think Richard's solution is correct for what the poster wanted, even if the "4" is confusing. It looks like the preferred notation would be 4:3.
Yeah, I just noticed it, and it is much less obvious this way. I wonder if the forum software vendor made the change. Tell them I don't like it.
I'm not at a machine with Noteworthy, but... Consider two layered staves with G-clef (Soprano and Alto). Soprano singing an A (second space). Alto singing F (first space). Both notes are eighth notes, stem up. The normal stem length of 7 puts the A flag just off the top of the staff. The F flag is one space below that, so when layered, the A/F chord looks like a sixteenth note chord, because the flags do not line up. I have to change the stem length of the F to 9 so that the flags line up. I know some people write one voice stem up and the other stem down, so there would not be an issue, but most choral music shows the two notes as a chord, stem up.
I agree. If you need n voices, do it on n layered staves.
I also agree. But the biggest time consumer I find with layering is, when I try to copy, say Soprano and Alto to separate layers, and the source has the stems for both in the same direction, and the notes are eighth notes or shorter, I have to manually adjust stem lengths to get the flags or beams to match. A lot of mouse clicks for each note being adjusted. Couldn't that be automated somehow?
Is it possible there is a C major staff without a key signiture? Could that cause this problem if transposed?
General Discussion / Re: Hint
Many people overcome this with text on pages 2 and up, but it is tedious to position it correctly, and can change if the song is edited. I agree, headers and footers would be a great addition. I believe others have suggested it over the years.
That's an easy one. Select the clef (highlight it) and right click. Select properties, then the "Clef" tab. There is a dropdown for Octave Shift. You can select None, Octave Up, or Octave Down. The little 8 will appear for a shift.
Can your program see the stem length assigned by nwc when Override Stem Length is not checked? Sometimes nwc adjusts stem length from the default of 7 for beamed notes, or very high or low notes. The length is displayed in the Stem Length spinner, without the override check box being checked.  You could always set the shorter stem length to 7 and adjust the longer one, or adjust the longer one from an ititial value of the shorter one. As a programmer myself, (would you believe COBOL?) I like to address all possible scenarios, but that may be impossible. I expect that in some unusual circumstances, you may not get it right, but for the vast majority, you will. And bad ones should be able to be easily fixed manually.
This would be great. I started a long time ago to try to write something, operating on nwctext, but never got very far. I assume that your tool would:
1. only work on two staffs.
2. only adjust stemlengths when both stems were in the same direction.
3. only adjust if both notes were the same value.
3. increase the stem length on the upper staff note if stems down, and the lower staff note if stems up.
If there were a crossover (top staff note lower than bottom staff note) that should be shown with opposing stems and extra spacing, which should be done manually (see 2.).
Would this also adjust, for example, a B and a C (stems up) to give extra space to the C, with zero stem length, and increase the stem length of the B by 1?
Also, sometimes ncw alters the stem length from the default 7 (without actually checking the box). I'm not sure you could handle that, but I don't expect this to handle every possibility. Getting it mostly right would be a big help to me.
It would really not need to adjust notes longer than an eighth note, but it probably would not matter if it did.
I agree that beamed notes probably only need adjustment for first and last.
So far, I have not used any of your tools, but I'm pretty I would use this one a lot. Thanks for the effort.
Counting from 1 to 6, #2 is the way I've been doing it for a long time, and it is kind of a pain. #3 and #5 would, I assume, be non-standard (longer stem than normal). #4 looks like #2, and seems like more work (both notes need modification). I'm curious about #6: I assume it is a chord with one note muted (the grey X next to it). I'm not sure how to do that. (I just reread the help file on chord members and didn't see anything about muting a chord member.)
General Discussion / Re: Windows 8
I upgraded a Vista Laptop to W8, and reinstalled NWC. I didn't tested it extensevely, but it worked so far with no problems. I have played some stuff, and I think I did some minor editing. (I guess it's better than Vista, but I'm not sure I want to upgrade my W7 machine.)
General Discussion / Viwer Mute List
I sent a choir member some .nwc files and a link to the Viewer download. He emailed me that the Mute List is disabled. He thinks it may be a function of his sound driver. Is that possible? He says he has 7 channel sound. How does stereo map to 7 channel? I told him that I think the mute list is a function of the Viewer, and should not be affected by his system.
General Discussion / Re: Key Change
Maybe I'm missing something, but you need to put the key change into every staff at the appropriate place. The key should then change at that place in each staff. Also, for a key of C-major, you should still insert a key signature, even at the beginning of the piece. It will show up in the editor as a single natural sign, but will not print.
What are the workarounds for avoiding dot collisions in layered staves? (And, to open a can of worms: should there be a note property for extra dot spacing? Or to move a dot to a different space?)
You may find some upgrade options in: License Authorization and Validation
Thanks. I think I was on that page, but I missed the link for upgrading from 1.75. Following that link, I got up to 2.5.
When 2.0 was in preview, I paid the $15 for the 1.75b CD. Since then I have installed all the upgrades to 2.5 on my old computer. That computer died, and I am trying to install 2.5 on the new computer. I successfully installed 1.75b, but cannot figure out how to get to 2.5 without paying another $15. (It would be worth another $15, if that is my only option.) I searched the forums for upgrade info but, while most of the links still work, they don't do what the forum entry says they should do.

I found this post,
The free upgrade to NWC2 requires that you have both the NWC 1.75 CD in hand, as well as the registration label. You can use these materials to upgrade to NWC2 for free, starting at:
but the link no longer works.

On another note, I found an old post of mine at I tried to make this post a reply to that one, but reply didn't seem to be an option. Do threads get "closed/locked" after a certain time?
General Discussion / Re: Tuplets
Have you upgraded to Version 2.5? Multi Measure Rests (MMRs) were added to that release. I'm not sure about hiding the "3" in triplets, but I thought there was now a way to do that. I know pentuplets is still not supported directly, but there are workarounds.
I do something similar with long rests for rehearsal files: I fill them with hidden bars and 64th rests so that the measure numbers stay right. Thank you, nwc, for allowing incomplete measures. BTW, I know you can exclude bars from the bar count, but you still cannot reset or jump measure numbers in the middle of the piece, right?
My daughter had the same probblem She installed the viewer and used it successfully. The next time she went to use it, it said "...font not found." She was not on the net at the time, but we managed to find the font in Program Files/Noteworthy (I think) and installed it successfully. This was a Vista machine.

And Rick, Wouldn't someone saying they have a program "on their computer" be assumed to have "installed" it to get it there? Especially a free program? My daughter installed it, and still had this problem.
It's kind of a kludge, and I've never used it, but I've seen many references to "digital white-out" through out this forum. I assume it is done by placing a text "block" character, color white, on top of the area you want to block out. So I bet you could have brackets on both staves, then place white block characters (Xbbbbbbbbb, where X is a block char and b is a space, right justified) on top of the first set of brackets.