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Hi Susanna,
I've managed a little time to check it out - the problem is the duration of the chords, they're too short.

This segment of code from the user tool specifically excludes chords shorter than a crotchet (4th) note:

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foreach ($clip->Items as $item) {
	$o = new NWC2ClipItem($item);
	//
	// If this is a non-grace chord and is not preceded by a grace note,
	// and it is larger than an 8th note in duration, then add a grace note arpeggio
	if (($o->GetObjType() == "Chord") && 
			!isset($o->Opts["Dur"]["Grace"]) &&
			(count(array_intersect(array_keys($o->Opts["Dur"]),array("Whole","Half","4th"))) > 0) &&
			!isset($priorNoteObj->Opts["Dur"]["Grace"])) {
		$chordnotes = $o->GetTaggedOpt("Pos");
		$chorddur = $o->GetTaggedOpt("Dur");

Lines 4 and 5 of the snippet above are a comment describing it and line 8 has the section that does the work of excluding these particular chords.

It would be fairly easy to modify the tool, or just double the duration of these chords, run the tool and then halve them again...

A quick test shows the "fix" to be as simple as changing this line (line 8 in the code snippet, line 47 in the actual file "nwsw_ArpeggiateChord.php"):
         (count(array_intersect(array_keys($o->Opts["Dur"]),array("Whole","Half","4th"))) > 0) &&

to this (add the red bit, don't forget the comma):
         (count(array_intersect(array_keys($o->Opts["Dur"]),array("Whole","Half","4th","8th"))) > 0) &&

Did you remove all the hidden grace notes?
Did you select the visible chord?

Sorry, no ideas.
Could you attach a snippet?

N.B. You probably will have to wait a bit for an answer since I'm just leaving for holidays.

   Hi, Susanna.

   With layering, what you see it what you get.  Or rather, what you see on the score - some notes tail up combined in the same staff with other notes with tails down - is what you get when you use two (or more, but let's not worry about that just yet) layers for each relevant staff of the Score, one for the tail up notes and one for the tail down notes. 

   First, then, create two staves for each staff of the Score, one staff below the other (a bit like Sops 1 & 2, or 1st/2nd violins).  Preferably they should have different channels, otherwise they may not actually play properly!  And the first staff of each pair of staves should be set to layer on top of the second staff of the pair.  Then start entering the notes in each staff.

   To start with, keep the two staves separate/unlayered, and enter the notes in each, exactly as written in the Score, tail up notes on one staff, tail down notes on the other.  I recommend doing this a bar at a time, first one staff, then the other. It's simplest if you pad out each layer/staff with invisible rests of the right duration in the places where there aren't any notes with the appropriate tails but only notes with the wrong tails (provided the bar lines match, this indicates you've probably got it right).  And then, when you combine the two staves - when you permit the layering actually to be effected - they will seamlessly blend, one on top of the other, to provide the staff as shown in the Score.  And you have achieved just what you want.

   MusicJohn, 19/Jul/14

Nonsense. Frybyte wants polymeter, not polyrhythm. I made the same mistake. Took an hour or so of trying to rewrite the song as polyrhythm for me to realize this.
The file attached to the main topic is rather short of "looking fine." Sustain Pedals that preserve width, 'Increase spacing for longer notes', and a dearth of Spacers are not signs that you care much about how the song appears. At least you don't have staff metrics set to 26pt, although 19 rather than 18 is a curious choice.

As you say, you don't post here often, but attaching a song using fonts that most of us do not have is not friendly.
Sounds good, but the song attached is so bizarre that that is not possible. NWC can handle reasonable polymeters, but this goes way beyond reasonable. I doubt that any notation software can make sense of it.

NoteWorthy added the symbol for a turn to NWC2STDA years ago.

I think 18 is about the standard size for a score.

Are you talking about the printed score or the screen appearance?
That's quite different. In the latter case you can zoom at wish without any impact on the printed score.

Not specifically, but there are some line and bracket drawing characters that might help...

Not just a problem with grace notes:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd,Triplet=End,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Slur=Upward
|Note|Dur:32nd,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd,Triplet=End,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

It seems that brackets avoid slurs but non-bracketed triplet 3's don't. The collision in the second grouping is fine with me. My druthers is that slurs need not avoid brackets

Kalman, I think NWC2 handles your second clip properly. I don't know how I would play one continuous slur differently.

The attachment is from Scriabin's Poem. Slurs pass thru the brackets. It is also a good example of a slur starting on a normal note and ending on a grace note, and a hairpin with a text modifier (poco).

Try 18.

Not specifically, but there are some line and bracket drawing characters that might help...

Install the font as you would install any font. Then in Noteworthy, go to Page Setup / Fonts. Highlight the User1 font and click Modify.
Select the MusikDingsSans font from the drop down list (You may not be able read the title since it used characters from the font - but it will be in the list alphabetically). Change the font size to something like 14. Click OK, and click it again.
Font User 1 has now been set up as MusikDingsSans.

Now when you insert text into your music, if you change the display font to User1 and use the char map to select the character you want, one of those characters will be the turn (either R or S - I can't remember which)

Hi Susanna, FWIW I just tried it and went to the right place.  I'm using FireFox 29.0.1 (30 offered itself when I checked so I'm about to upgrade(?))...

At the top and bottom of this topic is:If you want to go to 'General Discussion', click on 'General Discussion'. If you want to go to its parent, click on the parent.

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You can also use the 'Jump to:' bar at the bottom of each topic to go to the forum or board of your choice.

I think that is the behavior I would expect. I think the icon is for "new posts since last visit," not "unread posts exist." If I visit a forum and read a few posts, should the forum still show "new posts" until I read all of the hundreds of posts on that forum?

Thanks for the response, Mike. I'm not unfamiliar with this problem - I went through it with a piece of shareware I put together back in the DOS days. (It never really went anyplace, it's been abandonedware for years, and I haven't done any programming for a couple of decades. But I do remember wrestling with the order of development.) However, it doesn't change my point: this is a notation program, and the first emphasis should be on getting the notation right. I can praise NWC to the skies to my musician friends - and I do - but when they try it out, and they try to write an 8va section (extremely common, for God's sake!) and they come to me and complain, all I can say is ...uh...

I like to think of NWC as a better, cheaper version of Finale or Sibelius. But it's not going to really compete well with those two notational icons - or even with MuseScore - until and unless it gets things like 8va and cue notes and slurs right. Let's not worry too much about new customers in countries whose languages require unicode until we've got it right for the ones who don't.

Nothing. Lawrie used the wrong tag. It is easy to use the wrong tag. Perhaps he will correct it.

If the code block opens into NotePad, just copy everything from NotePad and then 'Paste as New File' into NWC.

There are a couple of ways, probably the easiest is to place a hidden octave shifted clef at the start of the 8va section and another non-shifted clef at the end.  The other alternative, arguably the better one, is to place a hidden instrument patch with a 12 semitone shift at the start of the 8va section and another with a 0 shift at the end to restore things.

E.G.

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.51,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Instrument|Name:"Acoustic Grand Piano"|Patch:0|Bank:0,0|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127|Pos:11
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Bar
|Clef|Type:Treble|OctaveShift:Octave Up|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-7
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-9
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-10
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-11
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-12
|Clef|Type:Treble|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Bar
|Instrument|Name:"Acoustic Grand Piano"|Patch:0|Bank:0,0|Trans:12|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127|Pos:11
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-9
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-7
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-7
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Instrument|Name:"Acoustic Grand Piano"|Patch:0|Bank:0,0|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127|Pos:11
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-6
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Thank you for answering this.  I'm going to have to teach myself how to do this....Noteworthy seems to have a lot of hidden capabilities out there.  One question though....since I haven't done it and don't anything about layering....yet.  Does this alter the way the music prints out or is it invisible?  Will I need two versions of the music....one for printing (piano music) and one for playback?  Thanks for your help.

I wouldn't worry about it, Susanna.  NoteWorthy Composer will be fine with just the correct suffix. And if you ever want to edit them, you'll be able to by just a double click.

Hi Susanna,
in the text dialogue you should have a "Placement" tab - if you don't then go to | Tools | Options | Editor (tab) and remove the tick from "Smart Properties Insert".

In any case, you can always select the text and move it up or down with <Ctrl> + <Shift> + <Up/Dn Arrow>