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As I've said before, I'm not up to using code - yet - but I'm considering trying it.  As a former computer programmer (of 25 years), I should be able to work with it once I start trying it out.

That's another thing, with placement of text.  I have a piece of music for guitar (the original was for lute) by Vincenzo Galilei, and I was trying to put the fingering on it.  Trouble was, whenever I tried to put one I had already placed elsewhere, it insisted on putting it at the exact same level that I put it before.  I thought I should be able to set a location, but when I called up the text dialog box, it only gave me the option for entering the text.  I seem to remember selecting the location (height or depth) when I did some other text.
Under the old software, putting the fermata above a stem-up note had centered it over the stem.  It makes sense, though to center it over the note.
I just ran the upgrade to 2.5, and it seems to have shifted the one slightly to the right, although the dialog box shows center.  It is, however, centered directly over the note, which is a stem-up note on the top clef.  I suppose that's as good as it gets - unless I can alter it with code.  Not that that's  going to happen any time soon.
Let's start from the beginning.

I mean: select the fermata (it's ok the way you did, selecting the anchor), then press <alt><enter> or right click on it and select "properties". A dialog box pops up.
Select the "placement" page.
There select position = "centered" and "at next note/bar".
OK, did that, fixed it, thanks!
Hey Lawrie,
I'm not sure what flaming is but I'll assume that it is something like an angry rant. I have never been able to get to the news group because I couldn't set up the Outlook Express properly, however!!!, I shall try again when my new PC arrives. (I have been without one for weeks as the old one finally croaked! :) Wondering what translation says Holy instead of Righteous. While He is my righteousness, we are commanded to be holy as He is holy. Ta-ta.
Different passage, I believe. Isaiah 65:5.
I just downloaded and printed the sample given by Rick G. back several years ago.  I'll use it as a reference tool.  If I get the hang of it, I should find it very useful (as an old computer programmer!).
Flashback!  I remember a friend had a small clipper and was hoping to make a few bucks converting 5 1/4 floppies to two sided mode by adding a notch.  That way they could be read upside down. 

If I recall correctly, that is...

I know this is a very old post, but my son and some of his friends did exactly that on their Commodore 64's.
General Discussion / Re: Hint
I second the motion - although I want good slurs first!
Absolutely!  (Although who knows when I'll upgrade to the software that has them).  Even as dim as I am about this software, I have found a "sometimes" workaround for the awful slurs!
Did you check that fermata placement is "centered" and "at next note/bar"?
In the latest version is the default for the fermata but maybe in version 2.1 was not. I don't remember.
It was centered before I moved it.  Of course, you can't (at least I can't) actually select the fermata, but it is the anchor symbol that is selected.  That's how it worked for me, anyway.  If I didn't select the anchor, it didn't know enough to select the fermata.

This is a really nice piece of software, but I'm a little slow on the uptake some times.  
Hot dog!  I made it work!  Thanks for all the help!

It does seem to shift them slightly to the left.  I suppose there's no help for that.
Susanna, I beg your pardon: the correct key combination is <ctrl><shift><up/down>!

N.B. Rick is talking about using the text symbol. I was talking about "the fermata that is already there".

Rick, except in some rare special cases, what's wrong with the "true" fermata?
Thanks!  I have been thinking of upgrading, but putting it off, since I don't use it that much, and it's not critical to me, and I currently have a few up-coming expenses that are!  I'm sure you all know how that is!  But no doubt sometimes your music is more critical than other things.
Am I supposed to select the fermata that is already there? And how can I do it? If I try to select something, it selects the entire staff at that point.
I can't seem to make it work.  I have Noteworthy 2.1. Do I have to have a later version to do this?
Susanna, from what you wrote it seems you don't know that using <ctrl><alt><up/down> you can move the selected objects up/down.
Select the fermata, lower it below the staff center line and the fermata switches to "below the note".
Oh, thanks a lot!  I don't do very much creative stuff with Noteworthy, in fact, I don't work with it often, and I haven't learned any of the short cuts.  And what I do learn, I may forget, if I  put it aside for a while.  I'm a very amateur musician, and not a composer at all.  I'll just copy this info somewhere that I'll have easy access to it.
and if that is not to your liking, Text can be used instead:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]

I really have no idea how to use nwc code.  What's odd about this was that I removed a fermata, and replaced it with one with a time duration, and it moved it from top to bottom.  I messed around with the up-and-down stems (I found out accidentally that that procedure is excellent when placing rests and adding notes to the same beat), but it didn't get me anywhere with the fermata.
I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, but I simply cannot locate the instructions on how to select above or below a note for the placement of a fermata.
Anyway, thanks to everyone for the help.
Not sure that I should spend the money to upgrade now.  I'm pretty sure my copy of NWC is registered, but it's been so long since I got it, I've lost track of all the info.  I'll be thinking about it later - have had a lot of extra expenses the last couple of years, and having all the goodies that go with an upgraded membership aren't important enough to me now.
Another way to look at or change toolbars is to right click in an unused part of the toolbar area.

Sometimes it's possible to make changes at the batch level using a text editor on nwctxt data, especially if your editor supports (and you know how to use) "regular expressions".  For example:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
the first note is black (default) and the others are red.  To change all them to default, just remove the "!0".

To use an editor on a part of a NWC file:
  • Save the file.
  • Create a "good" object (i.e., note or rest) in front of those you need to change.
  • Cut your model and the things you need to change to the clipboard.
  • Start your editor (if necessary) and paste the clipboard into the workspace.
  • Make your changes with that editor's "search and replace" function.
  • Remove your model object if need be.
  • Select everything in the editor and cut it back to the clipboard.
  • Return to NWC (Alt/Tab).  Doing it this way won't change the cursor position.
  • Paste it back into NWC (CntlV).
I have not yet figured out how to apply the "code" function.
Must be a problem with your browser. I can follow the links in IE9 without logging in.
I can follow the links OK, but they didn't get me to the tool.  I've got Firefox, not sure what version, it has been updating automatically.

I manually fixed the notes; there were only 6 measures, 6/8 meter.
Unlikely. Perhaps you meant 2.1
Version 1.2 was replaced in 1996

Notehead Color is explained in: (link)
Item Color is explained in: (link)
You may also want to look at: (link)
Yes, I meant 2.1  I can read the info you gave me, but can't access what it describes.  Would it pay for me to upgrade?  And is there a cost to the upgrade?
Even so, it seems that the only option have is to reenter those notes manually.  Rather tedious, but it's only a few bars.
In addition to changing Visbility->'Item Color' to Default, you also may need to set Notes->'Notehead Color' to Default
Maybe you have a different version of NWC?  I have v. 1.2.  I can't find a "visibility option"; I can find Notes->Color (which I set to default); Notes-> Noteheads has only the option of type of note (ie, standard, X, diamond, blank).
I'll try to answer:
1. Please check in NWC: Help -> About -> Version ? (I'm using 2.5.5) and tell us which version you are using.
2. To toggle a toolbar on or off:  View -> Toolbars -> (I suggest that you select all five)
3. I cannot duplicate your colour problem, do you have some staves layered?
4. What has had me hot under the collar, had been caused by Persistent Note Tools which you can reach by:
    Notes -> Persistent Note Tools -> (where I normally only select Notehead and switch off all the rest.
I'm using version 2.1.  I had tried toggling the toolbars, and it remained off, no matter what I did.  As I mentioned later, I got it back by resetting to factory settings, and that was when the red notes came up.  I've fixed the cause, but can't change the notes that are already red.  I don't have anything layered.  I had started inputting the tenor voice in the bass clef when the error occurred, and the last few notes of that clef are red.  If I could send you an attachment with the file (can we do that on pm's?), maybe you could take a look at it and figure something out.  It's not really anything earth-shaking, as I'm only using it for my own enjoyment (the song is not yet in public domain, so I don't want to get into any copyright trouble).
General Discussion / Re: Layering
A suggestion:
Is there any friend / acquaintance with ADSL who could download Getright for you and transfer it to you via memory stick or CD?
Possibly, but not likely.  I live 'way out in the boonies, and the effort to get it to me manually is probably more than downloading it directly.
I've got it back to entering the notes the correct color, but I can't change the ones I already entered it red.  I tried highlighting them and setting the color to default, but they didn't change.  Apparently, setting it to default did change the entry.  And the red bar line changed back (to blue when the staff is active, black when inactive).
Found the colors selection under notes, but nothing seems to do what I want.  It was set up as Item color one, I changed it to default, and it just added the red to the stems.
OK, now what did I do?  The bar lines and notes are coming out in red.  First entries since resetting the toolbars.  I didn't have that ever before.
Never mind; I did a "restore to factory defaults", and got it back.  Since I didn't have anything changed intentionally, I'm OK with that.
General Discussion / Losing a toolbar
The piano keyboard at the bottom of the NWC window - is that what is called the piano toolbar?  I've lost it, (don't know how or when) and I can't recover it.  When I view toolbars, it is checked.  I've even tried turning it off and back on, and nothing seems to work.  I suspect I accidentally hit some key or combination of keys that eliminated it, but I can't figure out how to get it back.
General Discussion / Re: Layering
Thanks for all the info.  Not going to try downloading today at all, since our internet connection has been pretty flaky so far.
General Discussion / Re: Layering
It is not large. Just 1.2MB

In that case, I will try to download it sometime soon, when I have enough time to babysit it.  There are times when our connection isn't always reliable, too.
(Had to delete link in order to post)
General Discussion / Re: Layering
Hot dog! It works!  I suppose all this is in the instruction manual, but I don't have it.  I was given to understand that I would have to download it to get it, and I have slow dial-up, so down-loading a large document isn't very practical.
General Discussion / Re: Layering
Thanks!  I will print all this off, so that I have it handy whenever I'm working on something.  I do wish there was a less cumbersome way to do it, though.  But then, just to be able to do it at all is worth something.  I used to try to write some stuff on staff paper, but my notation is rather sloppy and hard to read, and it's nice to be able to create stuff like this in a nice, clean, readable mode.
General Discussion / Re: Layering
Thanks for all the info.  Some time ago, someone gave me a piece of code to fix a particular problem (I see some code posted in that thread you linked to), but I could never figure out how to apply the code.  How does that work?
General Discussion / Layering
First of all, I want to thank Beth for helping me get back on the site after having lost (and forgotten) all my info.

Now, my question is this:  When you write the notes on two or more staves, and then layer them, is there away to actually "combine" the notes in the layered staff?  What I mean is, to make it appear that there is only one stem for the two notes layered together.  If there is no such way, how can I input multiple voices on one staff?  As I've mentioned before, I'm a rather new and somewhat timid user of Noteworthy, and don't spend enough time on it to really learn all the ins and outs.  I do not not have in means of input to the software other than manual, using the keyboard at the bottom of the screen.

My original intent was to use it to reproduce a bunch of old children's songs that I learned as a child, but that has somewhat fallen by the way, as my efforts at proper harmonization aren't the best.  Of course, I could always reproduce them with just the melody.  Anyway, I've been doing some experimentation, and I suppose that I will eventually arrive at a new purpose, but I keep getting stuck, such as with this layering issue.
I suppose they have other issues that they see as more pressing.  Yes, it is fine software, as far as that goes.  If I were doing the transcribing from scratch (knowing the problem) I'd make sure I handled it right.  Most programming errors have "work arounds."

And thanks for all the help.

Edit: you are right, it is well worth the price.  Having worked for a software house, I know that only too well.  Of course, that was for very large businesses only, not for individuals, who probably are mostly using it for their own pleasure.  I can't write music myself neatly enough to be very legible, and the software does at least that.
One more question, Rick - how do I find the information on how to convert the code you posted?  I really feel stupid, having been a programmer for more than 25 years, but this type of code is new to me.
They don't. Male and female voices should be singing the same rhythm at the start of the refrain. You can see the problem at the bottom of
They appear lined up on the copy I have on my computer.  I downloaded it from that site.

Edit: I may have fixed it since I downloaded it; it has been quite a while, and I've fixed a few things here and there.  - Yep, I still have the unedited copy, so somewhere along the line, I fixed it.
Why in the world are there no plans to fix it?  Is the solution that complex?  I used to work for a software company, and that sort of thing would have been completely unacceptable to our customers.  Or perhaps noteworthy is the only - or best - player in the game, and doesn't feel that it's necessary to fix everything?
Warren - I don't see that they don't line up.  I did see, though, there is an extra "s" in "matchless", and fixed that.

Phil & Rick - thanks for the info.  I'll save it to my computer and work on it when I'm off-line.

Oops, Phil, it's the other way around - the d that is not marked as a sharp (top line) is supposed to be a d natural, but plays as a sharp.
www hymntime com/tch/htm/w/o/n/wondergj.htm

I don't have a bar count on it (forgot how to add that, and can't find it in a hurry) but it's the 4th bar from the end.

It won't let me post a link (what are the requirements for that?)  Putting in a pseudo link - just without the http and the first 2 dots.

Never mind that last question - I found the "upgrade" info.
Hi Susanna,
any accidental in a bar (measure) will affect all the subsequent notes of the same pitch (on the same line or space) for the rest of the bar (measure) unless there is a negating accidental (natural, flat, double sharp etc.).  This is standard notation practice.

However, when the parts are "divisi" but on the same staff then an accidental on a stem up note should not be interpreted as affecting a following stem down note on the same line or space.  NWC does not perform this differentiation thus it is necessary to place a negating accidental on the subsequent note of the other part.

This is not a problem if the parts are on layered staves, it only occurs if both parts are written as chords (they may be split stem or not)  on a single staff.

Another shortcoming of NWC is that if there is an accidental on one note, then, contrary to standard practice, it will affect the same note in all octaves. This also requires a negating natural that wouldn't normally be seen in a score (unless some nice arranger/notator decided to put in a courtesy accidental as a reminder).

Hopefully this will help.
That's what I've been trying to do, and it won't accept it.
While I was fooling around with chords, attempting to answer the question about d and d#, I was confused by Noteworthy's behavior, and curious about how it SHOULD be displayed. I placed a D# (cursor on D, press #, press enter), then pressed ctl-enter on the same staff line. The note moved over slightly (why?) and the note now had a sharp and two stems -- up and down. When I tried entering the natural note first, it looked the same. When I played it, it seemed to play both notes, but looking at it, it looked like two D#s chorded together. I also tried entering a Dnat with a D# and saw one two-stemmed note with both a sharp and a natural. In real music would this need to be shown as a D chorded with an Eb instead of D#? Is there any way to show a chord of D# and Dnat in the same octave?
In my case, they aren't in the same octave, so it seems to me they shouldn't default to the same accidental, unless it's in both octaves - which it isn't.

I'm wondering if perhaps I have to delete both notes, re-add one, and then make a layer with the other.  Will that work, or will all the rests I put in the staff with the single note show up somewhere on the staff?
In my case, the accidental was at the beginning of the measure, but the d# on the alto line carried through the entire measure.  Except for that next to last note(s) in the measure, the soprano part is a c.  I tried the instructions to delete the single note, but they didn't work.  I doubt if it was done as a chord note, from what little experience I've had with noteworthy, I don't think it would work like that.  I think this music came directly from the arrangement in a hymnbook.  Except that I am used to it written in a different key, it is exactly (all the parts) what I'm familiar with - with the exception that the d natural is defaulting to a d#.  There is no accidental on the soprano line. Why would it default as though there were?  Is that perhaps a bug in noteworthy?
Anyway, thanks to all who responded.  I'll muddle along for a while on my own.  I really don't spend a lot of time working with Noteworthy Composer, but I'd like to get a little bit proficient.
Well, the information on the fermata is helpful (haven't tried to execute it yet);  I did use both the Pedal and release symbols, but that's not as important to me as the fermata. 

In regard to the accidentals, I downloaded a ton of stuff from cyberhymnal, and I didn't have layering mode turned on.  In fact, it took me quite some time to figure out how to turn it on.  I did "fix" the accidental on one score, but after a number of tries, and I don't know what I did differently the time it worked.
I've also found errors concerning accidentals that I can't correct.  Are there circumstances under which you can't change them?  In one case, for instance, there is a d# in the alto line, and the soprano line is supposed to be a d natural, but I can't change it, and it insists on being a d# also.
I don't have time to look through the entire forum, but I suspect this has been answered before.  I'm a fairly new - and rather timid - user of Noteworthy 2, and I've noticed that on some "ready made" music I've copied from various sources, as well as editing I've done my self, some of the symbols don't "work" in playback on my computer.  Most notably is the fermata.  Why does it work sometimes and not others? Is there a way I can make it work.  I've also tried putting in pedal symbols, and they have no effect.
Thanks!  I'm not a composer, but my main use for noteworthy is to pick up some old songs I knew as a kid and perhaps compile a book for my great-grandchildren, and other little ones in the family.  Meanwhile, I'm having a little fun playing with it.  A question - do most people use an instrument interfaced with the computer for composition?  I'm just doing stuff directly on the computer.
I can't link to the pdf file.  When I click on it, it brings me back to this thread, then stops (Message at bottom says "stopped.")