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General Discussion / Re: Very long half note
Late to the dance again, as usual.

Why not add a new staff to play the sustained note using ties?

Make the new staff's settings the same as the one you want to see, but hide it so it doesn't show. 

Then in the staff you want to see, just mute the notes for those bars. 


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General Discussion / Re: "Text" window size
Potresti provare a digitare i tuoi lunghi testi in un altro programma, poi copiarli/incollarli in quel piccolo campo di testo (finestra). Accetterà almeno 410 caratteri – è quanti ne ho inseriti proprio ora. Sono molti di più di quelli che possono stare su una sola riga della tua pagina stampata.

You might try typing your long lyrics in another programme, then copy/paste them into that little Text field (window).   It will accept at least 410 characters - that's how many I entered just now.  It's many more than will fit on one line on your printed page

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Object Plugins / Re: PageTxtMaestro.nw
PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE SOLVED.  MUST CHANGE THE SECOND PAGETXT.NW OBJECT FIELD "Custom1" TO "Custom2" OR SOME VARIANT.

I am transposing a brass quintet for sax quintet. Some parts will be 2 pages long.

I'm still not grokking PageTxtMaestro.nw and PageTxt.nw with more than one PageTxt.nw object in the song.

I need to show the part name (instrument) at the top left corner of pages 1 and 2, and to show the song title and page number only on the second page (the song title on page 1 is generated by File Info - Title).

This gives me the part name on both pages 1 and 2 (hurray!!!)
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|User|PageTxtMaestro.nw|Pos:0|Class:StaffSig
|User|PageTxt.nw|Pos:0|PgStyle:Custom1|Text:"PART 1 SOPRANO SAX"|Fnt:PageText|YLoc:Top|XLoc:Left|PgCtrl:All
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Adding a second PgTxt.nw for the title and page number on just the second page displays those just on page 2, which is what I want,  but prevents the first PgTxt.nw (the instrument name) from displaying on either page 1 or 2.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|User|PageTxtMaestro.nw|Pos:0|Class:StaffSig
|User|PageTxt.nw|Pos:0|PgStyle:Custom1|Text:"PART 1 SOPRANO SAX"|Fnt:PageText|YLoc:Top|XLoc:Left|PgCtrl:All
|User|PageTxt.nw|Pos:0|PgStyle:Custom1|Text:"Page 2"|Fnt:PageText|YLoc:Top|XLoc:Right|PgCtrl:"Even Pages"
|Clef|Type:Treble
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

I tried moving the second PgTxt.nw object to a later bar, with and without a new PageTxtMaestro.nw object, but the result is the same.

The settings for the first PgTxt are:
Class: Standard
Text: PART 1 SOPRAO SAX
Page Style: Custom1
Display Font PageText
Font Size 1
X Page Location Left  
X Offset 0
Y Page Location Top
Y Offset 0
Page Display Control All
Block Alignment <default>


The setting for the second PgTxt are:
Class: Standard
Text: Gee Officer Krupke p.2
Page Style: Custom1
Display Font PageText
Font Size 1
X Page Location Right  
X Offset 0
Y Page Location Top
Y Offset 0
Page Display Control Even Pages
Block Alignment <default>


Why does the first PgTxt disappear when the second one is added, and how can I make this object work?
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Object Plugins / Re: PageTxtMaestro.nw
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PageTxtMaestro enables PageTxt objects to be displayed on each printed page. You must add an instance of this object before PageTxt objects will show on the printed page

This instruction doesn't make it clear whether you can have just one PageTxtMaestro on a staff to serve more than one PgTxt object, or , if you have more than one PgTxt object on that staff, you need more than one PageTxtMaestro objects. 
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General Discussion / Re: Windows 11
 One day I'll get around to clearing NWC1.75 out.  Thank you to everyone who has chipped in.   I still have my CD and I have the plug-in CD drive, and of course there are your suggestions to work with, so I'm not really too worried. Many thanks, once again.
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General Discussion / Re: Windows 11
Mike wrote
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I am genuinely curious: what reason would there be for keeping a copy of NWC 1.75 on your system, if you also have the current version?

No reason except the fear that when I uninstaill it I will end up uninstalling 2.8 beta 1 as well.  That is scary because I still have my original NWC CD, but would have to use a plug-in CD drive to use it.

I have survived all the upgrades since NWC1.3, as I've progressed through Windows 3, 6 or 7, the horrendous Windows Millenium, Windows 10 which I liked, and now the nightmarish 11. 


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General Discussion / Re: Windows 11
NWC2 works well for me on Windows 11. 

Still have a bit of a problem getting Win11 to associate NWC version 2 files with NWC2 instead of NWC1.  I am reluctant to remove NWC1.75 from my system but it's a little annoying when song files created in the various NWC2 versions try and fail to open in NWC1.75.  It's only a minor annoyance and if I didn't have 1.75 still on my system, wouldn't be problem.  Hmm.  Time for me to start another thread about which versions I have and which I'm running...
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.3)
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Now would be a good time to mention that BarLabel.ms primarily is used for rehearsal marks, which appear where the object is placed in the score, while the object BarCounter.nw will display bar numbers at the start of each staff, or optionally on every measure.  And it has always had the option of starting the count at a specified number, relative to the position of the object in the score.

I've used BarCounter often and only discovered BarLabel the last time I did some notation.  Like 'em both although I am so used to BoxMark2 for rehearsal marks it may take me a few "goes" to get used to BarLabel.  I'm grateful to have the option.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.3)
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Hint: re-notate it in NWC and print!  :))

Did that years ago.  Collapse staff comes in very handy at times for this situation.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.3)
Low reed parts for the 1914 march Colonel Bogey are good examples of what Lawrie described.  What a nightmare it is to read on a marching band card, particulary if it's a fifth or sixth generation photocopy!  However, the CB doesn't use bar numbers so isn't really relevant to this thread.

In modern writing, if the bars are numbered, they will only be numbered once.  In the ten bar example, 1 to 9 followed by a first ending 10, and a second ending 11.  If bars are not individually numbered but rehearsal marks are numbers, the rehearsal numbers don't count the repeat twice.  I think it would be awfully confusing in an ensemble to have two numbers for the repeated bars. 

Sometimes an engraver doesn't bother with a repeat sign for something like the Col. Bogey; the first melodic line is followed by a second melodic line in those parts where the repeated section is differs, but uses a repeat for the instruments where the bars aren't changed the second go-through.  This can really throw a monkey wrench during rehearsals where, as in Col. Bogey last week, the conductor wanted to hear just the repeated section.  When she said to take it from bar 5 we had to ask "x1 or x2?" It was difficult to explain why because she was conducting wirh a score or part that apparently didn't show the second time through was different.

Did I mention I like Colonel Bogy but hate playing it?  Too hard on the eyes.
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General Discussion / Re: Old files don't open
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after that i was deleted cause i didn't have a credit card whatever, i made a lot of files and tried to open but nothing appears.
If you deleted the files, they're gone. 

If you didn't delete files you had successfully saved in the demo version, if you've recently switched to Windows 11 it may be trying to associate the files with NWC 1.75.  You might try associating them with the current version instead.  This may not be accurate, but I had some difficulty getting Windows to open my NWC in version 2, it kept opening 1.75 and telling me the version 2 song files had been created on a later version of the programme and couldn't be opened in 1.75.
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General Discussion / Re: What's a plus?
When the part is for trumpet or trombone, the + means mute or closed.   In Ellington transcriptions you'll see + 0 + 0 which means closed, open, closed, open, sometimes where a pixie mute is used with a toilet plunger. 
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General Discussion / Re: Layering troubles

Perhaps a touch off-topic?

Stem up and Stem down chords may be needed if the staff has divisi parts but usually not essential.  

In charts such as Alford's Coloney Bogey, some instruments have different melodic lines the first and second time through the first  repeated section.  The only way the musician can tell which melody is which is if one has upward stems and the other downwards.

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General Discussion / Re: REINSTALL nwc after computer crash
An optical drive will connect to your laptop by USB and allow you to read your Noteworthy installation disc.   They aren't very expensive - I found refurbished or "open box" units online for less than $30CDN.



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General Discussion / Re: Beats in a bar
Sometimes strugglng to understand the workings of these complicated chording and apply your knowledge just isn't worth the effort.

Layering can be your friend.

Here I think you can do what you need using a layered staff.  Add a new staff below the one you're working in.  You can either fill it with rests (with visibility=never) until you reach that particular bar, then copy the lower notes of the chords in that bar to the new staff.  Delete them from the top staff, and set the top staff to "Layer with next staff." 

You can also simply copy the entire original staff to the new one, and going to the target bar in both staffs, do the same as above.


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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Just looking at previously unread posts, don't know why there are so many.

The original question here commented on the length of the last staff on the last page.  Here is someone's trick from years ago that I use for multi-page single instrument charts:

Add a Section Close bar line at the end of the last bar and assign a system break to it.  This forces that bar to end at the right margin.  Then add a system break at, say, 5 or 6 bars from the end so the last line looks right.  Depending on whether or not you have other system breaks near the end,  tweak them until you get the layout looking right to you. 

(This is for single staffs.  If you're printing a piano part or a score, you would work with the top staff in the group.)

The charts I did recently ran two and three pages.  If I plan to print to PDF and print both sides of a page, I try to put a page break either side of a long rest to make page turns less frantic.  If I plan to print just one side, I try to use not more than 3 pages, because they will fit a music stand when opened out. 

I try to fit the same number of systems on all the pages, but if, for instance, I have 29 systems, that will take three pages.  I would use page breaks to make the first page 9 systems and the second and third 10 each. 







last line is not 6 bars from the end so 5 bars appear on the last line.  Move back a few bars again and add a system break.  Usually by the time I've done the last 3 of 4 systems on the page, everything looks good.

Generally I don't want the same number of bars on every system on the page.  It is easier on the instrumentalist's eyes if the bar lines aren't perfectly aligned.

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Object Plugins / Re: PageTxtMaestro.nw
Thank you, Flurmy.  Thank you so very much.  That did the trick.

I never hought of replacing the text in the white box, I just clicked the box hoping a menu would open with choices.
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Object Plugins / Re: PageTxtMaestro.nw
Back to the original subject of this thread - PageTxtMaestro.nw and PageTxt.nw.   I thought I had mastered these a while back,  but this week I can't accomplish what I need.

I am transposing instrument parts.  I will only print the transposed parts, so the results are just single system, multi-page charts. 

I want to show the Title, Lyricist (I use this box for the instrument name) and Composer/Arranger on the first page. If I suppress the file information I should be able to use PageTxt for this, or if I don't suppress the file info, PageTxt should be able to be set to show on the second and later pages only.

 On printed pages 2 and 3, I want to show Title at the centre of the top of the page, and at the left margin, Lyricist (for the name of the instrument) either on the same line or a second line.

PageTxtMaestro is in the score before the first bar. 
PageTxt, with either "%Title%" or the written-out title is next.  If 2 font sizes could be used in the "Text" field, I would type in "Title" %br% and "instrument name."  The instrument name would appear on a second line:
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                  My Horrible Train Wreck
                                                   Bass Saxophone                                    Page 2
Alternatively, to get a second font size for the intrument name, I type it into a second instance of PageTxt, left justified at the top of the page.   Ideally, the result will be the top of the second and later pages showing
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Bass Saxophone                  My Horrible Train Wreck          Page 2

If PageTxt PageTXT come before bar 1, they (should) display on all pages.  To skip the first page, I can move them somewhere after bar 1 but before the last bar of page 1.  Doing that means they should appear just on page 2 and later pages. That works ... sort of.

No matter how much I tinker with them, the second PageTxt prevents the first PageTxt from displaying. 

Why?

Other things:
  • I've searched this thread, and couldn't find what Page Style Custom 1 means, if it can be changed, how, and why might I want to?
  • Similarly, Page Display Contol has <default>, Even Pages, Odd Pages, No Mirroring and Once.  It would be nice if another choice was available, "second and later pages."  Then it wouldn't matter if PageTxt appeared after or before bar 1.
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General Discussion / Re: Bug!
You're probably better off tweaking your Windows 11 settings, because it's unlikely NWC is going to change. 

If you have Windows 11, you have Microsoft's AI tool, Copilot.  Ask it "Can I return temporarily to Windows 11 default colour scheme when using a programme that doesn't display objects with the black theme?"   It should offer up a few uggested tweaks.
 One was
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1. Use Custom Mode
You can set Windows to use Dark Mode for the system and Light Mode for apps:
- Go to Settings > Personalization > Colors
- Under Choose your mode, select Custom
- Then set:
- Windows mode: Dark
- App mode: Light
This keeps your desktop and taskbar dark, but apps that respect the setting (like File Explorer, Settings, etc.) will appear in light mode.
It had a few more as well.

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Object Plugins / Re: Acciaccatura.ms (version 1.4)
Just getting back into notation - downloaded a PDF of marching band parts for Porter's Catalina Band, which was written around 120 years ago.  When my band played it in the 1960s, I was fairly new to my instrument, and my part terrified me.  I recently found the PDF online, and my current bandmistress has agreed to try it for our summer outdoor concerts.

The original version has outdated instrumentation such as Db piccolo, Eb Horns, etc.  but I found a somewhat updated version in  Musescore.  He didn't do all the parts, but it's a breeze to download the MusicXML version, translate to NWCText with Niversoft, and work in NWC2.  Beauty.

The only problem is the articulations didn't carry through, so it will take a couple of hours to change them all.  No worries.

My reason to write is to thank Mike for his Acciaccatura object.  Works like a dream and it's going to save my eyesight, bigtime.  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Avant-garde / Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .
Regardless of its lousy wording,  Copilot was telling me the Db part was written half a tone below a C part.
I read
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Since D-flat is one semitone below C, you need to transpose the staff up by 1 semitone.
as
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Since a D-flat part is one semitone below a C part, you need to transpose the Db instrument up a 1 semitone for a C instrument.

So that's what I did.  The Db Picc in G major needed to become C Picc in Ab major.  The result jibed with a C Flute part someone manually transposed in the distant past.  The key signature also matched the bass clef parts.

I played this piece on 3rd clarinet in concert around 60 years ago, when I had only been playing maybe a year.   The 2nd and 3rd parts shared a march size page and lots of the notes were above the staff, then around the upper end of my range.  A few notes went into the altissimo. .  This was my first ever concert, I think we filled our 500 or 700 seat theatre.  I was terrified.   It's funny, that was our junior band; the senior bandleader was my clarinet teacher.  He's still alive and will be 104 this month.

I recently found a full set of PDF parts and thought I'd like to hear how the music sounds with a more experienced band.  One of my current bandleaders agreed to take it on if I print it all out.   The instrumentation is from the turn of the century, so some parts need to be transposed for modern band instruments.  I'm too cheap to buy the commercial arrangements that are available; I suspect they've been dumbed down a little.

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Avant-garde / Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .
I already knew the answer, but thought I'd see if Windows Copilot could get me to the same place.  It did!

My rather poorly worded  question: 
To transpose a D-flat instrumental part to concert pitch (for a C instrument), what command is needed in Noteworthy Composer?

Copilot's answer:
To transpose a D-flat instrumental part to concert pitch for a C instrument in Noteworthy Composer, you can use the Transpose Staff command. Here’s how you can do it:
Select the Staff: Click on the staff you want to transpose.
Open the Transpose Staff Command: Go to Tools > Transpose Staff.
Set the Number of Semitones: Since D-flat is one semitone below C, you need to transpose the staff up by 1 semitone.
Update Staff Playback: Make sure to check the Update staff playback option if you want the playback to reflect the transposition.
This will transpose your D-flat part to concert pitch for a C instrument.
Noteworthy Composer Transpose Staff Command : Transposing a staff in Noteworthy Composer
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!

While I have learned from experience that Copilot cannot be trusted to give right or accurate information, here it did.

NEXT DAY FOLLOWUP
It took 3 tries for Copilot to get a transposition from Eb Clarinet to Bb Clarinet right this morning, so I suggest using Copilot carefully; always check to see if its advice is good.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: Select All Staves - How To?
Sorry to be late to the party.  I don't check the forum often.

Roycee :
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I then import it into NWC if it's in the key I want or import into Musescore first and Transpose it into a simpler key. (For example, one bassline I would really like to master is in F# Major, 6 sharps and it gave me trigger thumb for a period because it involves loads of stretching - one click and it's in F or G!)
I can then play in NWC where it's nice and large on my 24" monitor, or view like a page of sheet music with sound in Musescore

Transposing in NWC is extremely easy.  Select the staff, then Alt-T T.  It's only a couple of key strokes.  Make sure the staff has a key signature; if the staff is in C major you may not have remembered to insert a C major key signature.  It won't show on print, but it must be there to give the program something to change to your new key signature.

To view a page of music, use Print Preview Alt F V.  You won't get playback in Print Preview, but you can see what the staff would look like when printed.
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General Discussion / Re: Repeated measures
There's a user object for the single and double bar repeats.  Works like a dream.

Insert menu, Object, RepeatMark.ms or RepeatMark.ms.hmm

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General Discussion / Re: Finished Software?
Well, DOS 3.0 is what I think I began on.  I'm not sure I adopted Windows until the version before its Millenium edition.  MS has certainly produced some turkeys.
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General Discussion / Re: Finished Software?
Lawrie wrote:
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As far as bugs, I'm not aware of any, at least none that affect me...  Aside from my stupid computer that loses the plot with my cursor keys and half the numeric pad every so often.  While this impacts me greatly in NWC, I sure the cause is something else that I haven't identified that is external to NWC.

I bought a new computer last summer with Windows 11.  It has been a constant f#$%@!!! nightmare ever since, with everything freezing, programs hanging or malfuntioning, , etc. 

I haven't noticed much of a problem with NWC though. 

 
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General Discussion / Re: Forum maintenance needed?
Sorry to be late to the party.  Busy week.

I haven't noticed Lawrie's issue either.  I just single click the New Posts button in the menu bar, and when the window opens, I just click the message I want to read.  If there's no fresh ones, I see the link for all unreads, but I haven't looked closely to see if there are some there that should have showed up as a fresh message.
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General Discussion / Re: "strange" score
In band music we sometimes have two rhythms going in the same bar, with some instruments playing, say, 3 beats as others play 2 or 4.  I haven't seen the scores for these, but I doubt if the parts have different time signatures.   Essentially, though, I agree with Flurmy, it makes no sense to use dotted halfs there.
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General Discussion / Re: What does it mean?
Happy new year, one and all.

I agree with Lawrie's answer, but just in case it isn't obvious:  do not slap tongue those x notes if you're on reeds.
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General Discussion / Re: Hairpin control after dynamic

I think the easiest thing is to right justify the dyanamic marking.  The hairpin will meet it but not overwrite it.  Alternatively, if the crescendo or decrescendo is for a group of short notes, put the dynamic at the first one, and have the hairpin start on the second one.  This won't work for notes greater than, say, half a beat, but for 8ths and 16ths, it will look ok and the delay in starting the dynamic won't offend the listener.

If the hairpin collides with notes or note stems but you don't want to move the preceding dyamic marking up or down, copy the preceding dynamic to just before the hairpin, make it Visibility=Never, and move this now-invisible new dynamic up or down.
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General Discussion / Re: *.nwc file security
Windows Copilot tells me:
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You can make a file read-only before sending it to someone. This way, the person who receives the file can only view or copy it, but not modify it. If they try to make changes, they will have to save the file with a new name or in a new location. However, this does not prevent them from making a new copy of the file and editing it as they wish.
There are different ways to make a file read-only depending on the type of file and the program you use to create it.
Since NWC doesn't seem to have a way to make the song files read only, Copilot tells me
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To make a file read-only in Explorer, you can follow these steps¹:
- Right-click on the file you want to make read-only and select Properties from the context menu.
- On the General tab, check the Read-only box under Attributes and click Apply.
- Click OK to close the Properties window.
The file will now be read-only and you will see a lock icon on its thumbnail. This means that you can view or copy the file, but not modify or delete it. If you want to make the file writable again, you can uncheck the Read-only box and click Apply.
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General Discussion / Re: Is this new version designed by Satan or what?????
Hi Lawrie
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As an old IT pro, I advise you: Do NOT run multiple AV programs concurrently.  The resident portions and background scanners seriously interfere with each other and performance and reliability will go down the toilet.

I believe you.  There are so many programs running in the background it's hard to tell which are AV and which are other security features and which are just unnecessary nuisances .  Acronis Cyber Protect, Bit Defender, Windows Security, even Adobe Acrobat which Windows Companion tells me "does have features that protect your computer from malicious PDFs.  

Anyway, I turn them off when I can.  Thanks for the tip.
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General Discussion / Re: Is this new version designed by Satan or what?????
Hi RoZita
Welcome to the Forum.  I'm sorry you're having some issues. 

Are you running Windows 11 on your new computer?  I had no big problems with NWC 2.8 Beta 1 on my new Windows 11 desktop, other than figuring out how to copy the user tools and special fonts from the old hard drive to the new machine. 

Windows 11 itself is really ugly buggy and might be causing you some problems in running legacy (old) programmes.  I don't know if the laptop and table users have the same problems, but on my desktop, browsers and file explorer windows freeze too often, open emails that I'm drafting disappear, programmes lock up or close unexpectedly, copying and pasting sometimes pastes something from the clipboard that was not the last thing copied, etc.  I don't know if it's solely Win 11, the vendor loaded onto my machine with several antivirus programmes and they might be getting in the way.  Sometimes it helps to check Task Manager and close what you don't think you need.  Windows 11 also prioritizes the apps you're running; the ones you use less frequently go to sleep to save power - I forget what that function is called, but it can be disabled.

Windows 11's artificial intelligent tool (Windows button + C) suggests
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If you’re having trouble running a legacy program on Windows 11, you can try the following steps:
  • Compatibility Mode:
    Find the EXE file of the older program. Right-click on the EXE file and open Properties. Move to the “Compatibility” tab, and enable the checkbox for “Run this program in compatibility mode for”. From the drop-down menu, select the Windows version for which the older program was developed.
  • Troubleshoot Compatibility:
    In the search box on the taskbar, type “Run programs made for previous versions of Windows” and select it in the results.
    Select Next, select the program you’re having trouble with, then select Next again.
    Select Troubleshoot program (or you can select Try recommended settings to try that).
    Select the problem you’re having and follow the process.
  • Disable Driver Signature Enforcement:
    If Windows 11 says that you are unable to run the program due to any driver-related issue, then you will have to disable the enforcement of the driver signature.
  • Virtual Machine:
    If none of these work, you could consider setting up a virtual machine running an older version of Windows where your software is known to work1.

It also says how to set up a virtual machine on Windows 11:
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Sure, here’s a step-by-step guide on how to set up a virtual machine on Windows 11 using Hyper-V:
  • Enable Virtualization:
    Before you begin, make sure virtualization is enabled in your PC’s BIOS/UEFI settings1.
  • Open Hyper-V Manager:
    Press Start or hit the Windows key on your keyboard. In the Start menu, type “hyper-v manager”. Press the first result (best match) from the search results at the top.
  • Create a New Virtual Machine: When Hyper-V Manager opens, select your PC’s hostname from the column on the left. That opens the “Actions” panel on the right. From here, press New > Virtual Machine
  • New Virtual Machine Wizard:
    The “New Virtual Machine Wizard” will start. The first screen is a fundamental message letting you know what it’s for.
  • Name Your Virtual Machine: You’ll need to give your virtual machine a name that allows you to identify it easily.
  • Choose Storage Location: You’ll also need to choose where you’d like to store your virtual machine.
  • Specify VM Generation:
    Next, you’ll need to specify the generation of the VM.
  • Assign System Memory: Assign the amount of system memory (RAM) you want your virtual machine to use.  Remember, you can always increase or decrease this amount later.
  • If you’re still having trouble, there are several helpful videos available online that provide visual guides for this process.

I hope these ideas will help you get NWC running right for you.  !
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Object Plugins / Re: Trill.ms (2.2)

This is from a Boosey & Hawkes, Inc. chart, but it doesn't say which publisher engraved it. 

Here, the trill has no descriptor at the beginning of each new system.  I have no preference, but if there is to be a descriptor, an accidental could help the user.



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Object Plugins / Re: Trill.ms (2.2)
I'm using Mike's trill object for the first time.  Hey, it's only been available about 7 years, these things take time. 

My flatted trill begins with a half note on beat 2 of a 3/4 bar, tied over a 4/4 time change to 21 whole notes, tied to and ending on an 8th note.   I've learned that the only way to display the trill the right number of bars in the edit window or in print preview is to use the Span class setting.    (I didn't check playback; I only use playback as a proofreading tool and I'm not there yet with this transcription.)

Where the trill lasts past a system break, I see (tr) at the beginning of the next system just before the wavy line.  Perhaps on the next update, that could change to show the accidental too?  Otherwise someone reading the chart might wonder if the trill is supposed to change to a normal trill at that point.

That aside, what a wonderful tool, once again.  A little late, but thanks, Mike.

(And for anyone writing for bass clarinet, please don't write trills from 3rd space C to Db for 22 bars.  It's far too much work for the little fingers, with either normal fingering or the alternate. Grrr.  Those keys have very long rods! An octave down or an octave up would be okay.)

 
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Tips & Tricks / Re: smaller notes
I think they're just cue notes to tell the pianist what the other performer is singing or playing during the pianist's sustained notes. 

You see cue notes frequently in band music.

The easiest way to write them would be to enter them on a layered staff, blank the noteheads and use Mike's CueHeads.ms tool.  YOu could write them on the same staff as the piano notes, but it's finicky.
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General Discussion / Re: Discord channel
I think Discord could be a good idea, but the NWC Forum works well.  There's an old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Users live in various time zones, so right now it's almost supper time where I live, but it's midmorning tomorrow in Australia, it's late evening on the other side of my country, and it's the middle of the night in Europe. 

Unless I'm writing charts (a few times a year only) and need help, I won't visit the Forum unless I have a little downtime and want to see what's happening.

Help almost always comes within a couple of hours, and will remain in the archive, umm, forever? I can research my problems in the forum before pestering other users.

Does Discord save discussions in a searchable format?  That would be my major concern.  I wouldn't want to find the experts who use the Forum have moved away to a system I'm not familiar with.
  
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General Discussion / Re: New PC, new setting, old soundfonts, new doubts
NWC2.8 Beta 1 runs fine on Windows 11, to the extent Windows 11 runs well (I hate it so far - another unmitigated Microsoft disaster, IMHO).

You probably don't need a sound card; your motherboard will suffice.  If I understand it correctly, sound, video and graphics cards were supplements to motherboards that were nowhere near as powerful as they are now. 

You will need to copy the NWC fonts (including Lawrie's suite) to the new computer, and the user tools as well.  Somewhere in this forum since June somebody helped me to figure out how.  It wasn't hard.   You may want to copy your soundfonts / instrument trees too, but those are things I've never played with.

Cautionary notes:
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It's suprising how many ports and drives you forget you want when you buy/set up your new machine.  I had to add an external optical drive, and the new machine doesn't have a memory card slot on the face, which I forgot I wanted when I went shopping. 
2/
I ran Windows 10 on my old machine and have Windows 11 on the new one.  Windows 11 has a steep learning curve, and still surprises/angers/disappoints me after 3 months.  Open files close unexpectedly or work very slowly when W11 puts most of your working apps into Efficiency Mode. 
3/
When the vendor copied my files across, he said my existing programme files can't be used, and they weren't copied.  I've been able to run some from the backup external hard drive, but some can't be found, including my favourite image editor.  I had hundreds of emails needed for my big webpage project, and the Outlook (now Office 365) did not bring across the current ODT file.  It seems to have chosen one that was on the second hard drive on the old computer, mail from many years ago but little from this decade. .   I might be able to recover them, but I haven't had the energy to try yet.  I suggest you review everything you have on the old machine, and back up anything you don't want to lose, before you try upgrading to Win 11.  
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General Discussion / Re: MIDI output not working
Curtis and I have exchanged a couple of messages privately.  He's experiencing:

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For some reason my app does not play any music.  Something must have changed in my settings, either in Noteworthy or in my computer.  I am now using Windows 11.  Any ideas as to what settings to change?

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It doesn't matter which piece I open, same result.  No muting. I'm running Vers. 2.75a.2, is that the latest?  I've selected (only choice actually) Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth as the output.

I assume he didn't migrate to a new computer, so the problems I encountered when I did that likely aren't what he's experiencing.

Any ideas?

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General Discussion / Re: beat repetition
Thanks again, Mike.
I found
  • RepeatMark.test.nwcuser.lua
    RepeatMark_ms.hmm.nwcuser.lua
    RepeatMark.ms.nwcuser.lua
in UserPlugins folder in a location I never thought of checking on the cloned old HDD.  I copied them into the corresponding folder on the new machine;s SSD, and Presto!  the single measure repeats show up in the big score I was concerned about.

What you and others do for the rest of us users is truly appreciated, but I think this puts you into the superhero category.

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General Discussion / Re: beat repetition
Thanks, Lawrie and Mike.  I've now found and activated RepeatMark.test

Perhaps it would be best in future that when scripts/tools/objects are outdated and deprecated, they be retained anyway.  My last major notation project was to extract parts from a 326 bar full band score, over Christmas.  Now the conductor wants me to reprint the score in a larger font, According to the error alert log for the file, there are 245 unknown user objects.  That likely means I used RepeatMark.ms 245 times, hopefully most times just in the drum part, but all those now only have hidden notes and rests, with nothing visible.   I have dozens, if not hundreds, of old notation projects that I might want to rework from time to time.  If they call for tools that no longer exist, I'm hooped.




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General Discussion / Re: beat repetition


I recently used either RepeatMark.ms or RepeatMark.test.  One or both of these is the single bar repeat sign, and one or the other also gives you a two-bar repeat sign.  Isn't this what Lawroc needs?

I recently changed computers and installed NWC 2.8 beta 1 on a machine running Windows 11.  These plug-ins/usertools/objects, whatever they are, are nowhere to be found.  Not on my new drive nor on my copy of the old drive on an external HDD. 

One Manage Objects window lists CourtesyAcc.ms and RepeatBar.ms but says they are not installed.  I can't seem to force them to install.  RepeatMark.test is simply not listed.   I think that window is in 2.8 beta 1.   The other Manage Objects, for the most current 2.75, I think, doesn't list either.

Windows 11 is not the easiest system to figure out, granted, but now I've either lost my mind or both the repeat mark tools/plugins/whatever are no longer available. 

If they're gone for good, it's a shame because they were very easy to use, if I recall from earlier this year.

 
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General Discussion / Re: Contacting Support
And what a painless process it is.  It probably took all of 1.25 seconds to identify those that had updates.  All seven updates downloaded and installed in the blink of an eye.

Thanks Mike and Lawrie!
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General Discussion / Re: Contacting Support
Lawrie and Richard, thank you.
I accidentally loaded the objects today (Friday) - I think they were installed when I downloaded and installed 2.8 Beta 1.
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General Discussion / Re: Contacting Support
I bought a 2 TB external hard disk for just under CDN$100 a week or so ago at one of the larger electronic stores in my area.  It connects by USB.

The vendor transferred (supposedly) all the files from my old computer to the new external drive.  From there I was able to copy the Noteworthy folders to the new machine, including the Noteworthy folders. 

The programme works okay on the new machine, although I cannot access user objects.  Not gonna worry about it tonight, though.


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General Discussion / Re: Unsychronized or uneven lyrics
There's no attached file, but I would think you would just let the Lyric Line Count on staffs 2, 3 and 4 to be zero.  Since the lyrics for those staffs will be deleted, I would copy them to a text file first, so you can just copy them back when you're ready for lyrics in those staffs.
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General Discussion / Re: Partial Highlight
You're using essentially 2-note chords.  When you enter the "active" note, you can set the note colour, so you would have one default note (black?) and one coloured, say, red or blue. 

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0,3!1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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General Discussion / Re: distance between staffs
I guess I was suggesting she enable it. but the statement was unclear.  Is she asking about the distance between systems or the distance between notes?  Both are user variables. 

In any event, if it's the former, adjusting the vertical height of a staff in the first bar of each page may accomplish what she needs.