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Messages - David Palmquist
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General Discussion / Re: Partial Highlight
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General Discussion / Re: distance between staffs
In any event, if it's the former, adjusting the vertical height of a staff in the first bar of each page may accomplish what she needs.
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General Discussion / Re: effect of lowering notes
This is a "double-flat" accidental. This is half a tone lower than an ordinary flat note. You may sometimes see a double-sharp too, a double-sharp uses an X instead of a sharp sign, and raises the note a half step above the sharp. D double-sharp is the same as E natural.
Your key signature probably has at least 4 flats (Bb, Eb, Ab, Db), so every D and E is flat unless marked with an accidental. (Where there is an accidental, if there's another note of the same pitch following it in the same bar, it will have the same accidental, but it's unwritten.)
E double flat is the same as D. The composer wants you to sing/play
Db, Eb, D natural, Db, D natural, Db
but that means writing four accidental signs in the bar. It's less cluttered to just use the one double-flat.
There's probably a theory reason too, but I have not yet gained that knowledge.
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General Discussion / Re: Changing the key signature
https://dolmetsch.com/introduction.htm
It's in English, but you can use Google Translate to read it in Indonesian. Go to https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=fr&op=websites and copy the dolmetsch URL into the left window. In the right window, use the down arrow to select Indonesian.
You might like to ask your singer what her range is. Your smartphone may have a tuner app that will name the notes when she sings them. I use an app called gStrings.
The transposition tool in NWC asks you how many semitones you want to transpose. This may be easier to understand if you look at the piano keyboard and count the white AND black keys, so for instance to go from D major (it has 2 sharps) to Bb major (it has 2 flats), you count down 4 keys or up 8. Think of a major scale as a staircase, where the first step is a whole step, the second is a whole, step, the third is only a half step, the fourth is another whole step, the fifth is a whole, the sixth is a whole step, and the seventh is a half step - so: tone, tone, semi-tone, tone, tone, tone. semitone.
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General Discussion / Re: distance between staffs
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General Discussion / Re: Digital way to key in the note
Errors can be reduced if you scan at 600 dpi or higher, and of course, it helps if the original document is good. If it's faded or uses archaic notation there may be more errors.
Most Sharpeye errors are timing, where perhaps a triplet hasn't been recognized, or a rest is dropped or misread Those can be found and fixed fairly easily in Sharpeye using a mouse. Sharpeye flags those incorrect bars for you.
Once you;ve opened the converted file in NWC, it's not hard to find and fix the remeaining errors. Sometimes you'll see a 1-pixel red dot in a bar. While it's hard to see, that's where you likely have to fix something.
Sometimes it's easier to make corrections within Sharpeye, other times, it's easiest to save the Sharpeye file with the errors, export the file to MusicXML and convert that to NWCTEXT, then fix the errors in NWC.
Bart commented on the high music OCR error rate too. I agree it's sometimes just easier to notate a single page of music note by note.
If your source music is a PDF file, some PDF programmes will allow the page(s) to be exported to black and white BMP or TIFF image files, which is what Sharpeye needs.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: Slurs or ties direction
Try choosing Slur. from Persistent Note Tools at the bottom of the Notes dropdown menu,.
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General Discussion / Re: Final variant
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General Discussion / Re: Final variant
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General Discussion / Re: looks different rest sign
I saw the backwards eighth rest in a band chart from the early 20th century about a year ago. It's just a quarter rest, written in an old style, I believe. Instead of using Page Text or other workarounds, just use an ordinary quarter rest.
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User Tools / Re: MUSICXML TO NOTEWORTHY CONVERTER
I'm afraid I have no idea how to find the character string in the xml file with the extra space, but I tried your newer programme, NWCCONVERTER. It seems to open and run, but then I got this error message.
Unhandled exception in script
Failed to execute script 'nwcconvertor' due to unhandled exception: (P1', 1, '2')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "nwcconvertor.py", line 698, in <module>
File "nwcconvertor.py", line 630, in process_main_window
File "nwcconvertor.py", line 473, in event_convert
File "nwcconvertor.py", line 468, in convert
File "xml2nwc.py", line 2192, in convert
File "xml2nwc.py", line 2098, in process_tag_element
File "xml2nwc.py", line 2098, in process_tag_element
File "xml2nwc.py", line 2098, in process_tag_element
File "xml2nwc.py", line 2100, in process_tag_element
File "xml2nwc.py", line 1104, in convert_tag_note_end
File "xml2nwc.py", line 1005, in set_attributes
File "xml2nwc.py", line 877, in process_slur
File "xml2nwc.py", line 840, in start_slur
File "mxml_general.py", line 665, in nwc_staff_index
KeyError: ('P1', 1, '2').
The xml file was created in SharpEye2 by scanning 53 pages of music. I think the file is just too large for your converter, so I SharpEyed just one page. It converted very well in your programme. It also works in Niversoft's converter.
So, I've learned something. Big files may not work. And I'll experiment a little to see how many pages of music will be the limit.
Thank you so very much for your help and your suggestion to use the new programme NWCCONVERTER.
Good stuff.
d
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User Tools / Re: MUSICXML TO NOTEWORTHY CONVERTER
I downloaded and installed your MXML2NWC version 1.1.4 tool today. When I select a XML file, the filename displays in the Loggings window but this error message appears immediately:
Attribute value not quoted in 'measure number = "1"'
I don't know what that means or how to fix it.
The file is an xml file exported from SharpEye2.
(It may not be a glitch in your programme, because I've been having problems with the Niversoft converter too. It did two files, but while it says it converted the next three files, the nwctxt files won't download.)
Any suggestions, please?
David
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General Discussion / Re: Mid Export
Sorry. Terrible attempt at humour.
Could it be that your system has the wrong date?
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General Discussion / Re: Two bar repeat sign
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General Discussion / Two bar repeat sign
Insert Object SingleDoubleBarRepeat.
I can't seem to get the two bar repeat sign to work. I think it did, not so long ago, but I must be getting rusty. All I get is a text string on the staff that says "SingleDoubleBarRepeat."
Clearly I'vew lost track of how to get the symbol. Help, please?
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|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Text|Text:"Hi-Hat Cymbals"|Font:StaffLyric|Pos:12
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Text|Text:""|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:8.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0x|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|User|SingleDoubleBarRepeat|Pos:-2
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
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General Discussion / Re: Extra spacing for longer notes
To pedantically paraphrase what Flurmy said is that Increase Note Spacing is the default behaviour. If you don't want it, you must turn it off on every file unless you begin with a template which already has it turned off.
There's a reason to increase the note spacing, so an alternative might be to decrease the Staff Metrics in the Fonts tab of the Page Setup tab. Size 14 might be a bit small if you're writing for older instrumentalists, but vocalists can hold the music a bit closer.
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General Discussion / Re: PageTextMaestro and PageText.
Best wishes from (hopefully temporary) snow country.
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General Discussion / Re: PageTextMaestro and PageText.
- Here I go again. Never happy. Very confused, a little frustrated, and begging for help.
- Front page, top:
- Song title, centred, Page Text font.
Dnnnnnnnnnn Medley - Two-line song subtitle, centred below the song title, in either Page Text or Page Small Text:
Battle Hymn of the Republic;, Nnnnn Nnnn, The Nnnn of Nnn Nnnnnn;
Mnnn Cnnnnnn Bnnnn (Snnnnnn); South Rampart Street Parade - Top left (where File Info normally shows Lyricist): Instrument name
Flute 1 - Right side (system generated from File Info / Author): The composer/ arranger's name.
Arr. Mmmmm Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
- Song title, centred, Page Text font.
- Second, third and fourth pages, top, preferably centred:.
- Page numbers (system generated with Page Setup / Options / Page numbering
- I want the song title and the instrument name to appear on one line at the top of each of these pages, centred if possible but left or right justified would be acceptable.
Dnnnnnnnnnn Medley - Flute 1
Very specific commands illustrating exactly what to enter and where will be greatly appreciated.
Background: I've just scanned and edited 38 page, 326 measure, 26 part concert band medley with the permission of the arranger who no longer has printed or digital copies of the parts. I've put about 60 hours into it and now I'm ready to start printing. Most parts will be three or four pages, double sided.
I am pretty sure I can use Page Text Maestro and Page Text, but I have no idea what to enter, or where, to achieve:
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General Discussion / Re: The best application to remove the music/instrument
Select the notes , press Ctrl-E for the notes menu, then tick the Mute box.
You can also mute entire staffs with the Mute menu. Sel;ect the staff with F2.
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General Discussion / Re: Dividing a song into sections
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That's a Fermata, or pause, or "bird's eye" and probably a few more I haven't heard.
Pig's eye here.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: How do I use Drumref in samples
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Are you saying that you always used only the piano sound (patch 0)
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Tips & Tricks / Re: How do I use Drumref in samples
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The "right" drum sound? Maybe you mean the standard one!
Probably.
I've never played around with soundfonts or patches. I'm probably not the only one, and of course new users might like to know too.
Are there instructions somewhere that are easy to locate and user-friendly?
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General Discussion / Re: Dividing a song into sections
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General Discussion / Re: NWC files not opening properly
It might be your hardware or your operating system. I recently had to replace my keyboard, and the Microsoft keyboard software tries to govern my mouse too. The result is clicking, which used to be very quick, is unreliable and slow. I use an old wireless optical Logitech mouse, an HP desktop pc running Windows 10 and a Microsoft articulated keyboard. Compared to the old articulated KB that I used for 15 or 20 years, this one is a piece of cr









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Tips & Tricks / Re: How do I use Drumref in samples
Also, you may need a little trial and error so see which note gives which drum; for instance, middle C will sound like one drum, F below that may sound like something else, A in the staff like something else again. There's a lot of variety here, including lots of percussion toy noises.
You may be wise to use two staffs - one for the actual drum music, hidden but not muted, and the other for the visual display of the rhythms where you show x-head notes and stems, flags, beams, etc. This one you'd want to mute.
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General Discussion / Re: Note in number
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is still easier to learn songs in our church, with singing it in Number notes. I can key the number in the lyric place
I can almost feel a lightning bolt getting ready to strike me for saying it, but church music is often sung by people who can't carry a tune better than me, and believe me, I can't. Why do you need a musical notation program like Noteworthy Composer to write for people who cannot read music and don't mind not singing what's written?
Regardless, back in 2005 there was a discussion in this forum about lettered noteheads. One guest said
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What I was looking for was something similar to what Hal Leonard does in his 'Easy Play' books; placing the letter inside the notehead, either black on white or white on black, depending on the note.
https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5142.msg32738#msg32738
The result was a new font, NoteHedz, available from the Scriptorium.
The 2005 discussion carried on a few years later, and Opagust provided his user tool OGNoteNames.
Rick G. (sadly no longer with us) also gave an example of lettered noteheads done without the user tool, but doesn't seem to have explained how it can be done.
I suspect you might like using the lettered noteheads. You might need to educate your congregation, but there isn't much you'd need to teach them.
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General Discussion / Re: vertical line
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The backwards quaver rest is an old style crotchet (quarter) rest,
I encountered this in a ancient band transcription of Pomp and Circumstance this fall. I don't think I've ever seen it before in nearly 60 years of playing band music.
I guess I just lead a sheltered life.

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General Discussion / Re: what key signature/cleff
In traditional western music key signatures, the flats and sharps will always be written in order.
You probably already know,:
- Flat key signatures will always be written in this order: Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Cb and Fb and the major key is named for the second last flat, so, for instance, 4 flats will be Bb Eb Ab and Db, and the key will be Ab major or its corresponding minor).
- Sharp key signatures are the reverse sequence: F# ,C# ,G# ,D#, A# ,E# and B#. Sharp key signatures take their names from the note that is one above the last sharp - four sharps will be E major.
In your example, the key signature will tell you which lines and spaces are B, E, A and D.
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General Discussion / Re: Tenor & Bass Lysric
You can create your four lines of lyrics in one staff using Lyric 1, Lyric 2, Lyric 3 and Lyric 4 tabs in the Lyrics menu. This may cause problems if the words begin with note changes that differ in that part (i.e. trebles' words may not begin at the same beat as the bass lyrics.).
In that case create a separate lyric for each staff and place them below the treble staffs (Lyric 1, Lyric 2) or above the bass staffs ( Lyric 3, Lyric 4). I think you simply position them above or below the relevent staff using the Configuration tab in the Lyrics menu and maybe use the Offset settings to adjust their height.
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General Discussion / Re: can not layer
You won't see this in the Edit window unless you've also selected "allow layering in edit mode" from either the View menu or the icon in the menu bar.
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Avant-garde / Re: Rehearsal marks
I use Lawrie's fonts for some types of music, but I liked Boxmarks2 for many of the charts just because of the styles. It's moot now, though, with BarLabel.ms
Thanks, everyone.
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Avant-garde / Rehearsal marks
New users, when you're writing a chart you may want to use rehearsal numbers or letters. Generally I create these as text entries, in UserFont1, set to Boxmarks2, Bold, Size 16 (use the Page Setup/Fonts submenu for this).
I place them at the beginning of their respective bars, right-justified to appear above the preceding bar line. When the staff wraps when printing, the rehearsal mark will be at the beginning of the new staff instead of orphaned at the end of the previous staff I also set them to Visibility=Top Staff Only so they don't clutter up a multiple part score, but I usually enter them on all the parts so they're there when I go to print separate instrument parts.
You can get away with entering each rehearal mark once only if you put them in a staff full of rests at the top of your score, but there are pros and cons to that.
Alphabetic rehearsal letters are simply a matter of adding a capital letter. With Boxmark2, it will show inside a rectangular box. Numeric rehearsal marks are a little more complicated. You need to use the Character Map and select one element at a time. Start with the [ bracket. Then select the numeral(s) you want using the Character Map. Choose the numbers that have horizontal lines above and below it. Finally end with the ] bracket. Your number will be entered as a boxed number, and can be 1, 2, 3 or even more characters long.
It's tedious to enter a lot of numeric rehearsal marks because you need the Character Map, so I usually create a supersized one at the very beginning of the staff, with this text string:
123456789012345678901234567890 . When I need to add a rehearsal number, I just copy that to the appropriate bar and edit the copy to remove the numbers I don't want. It saves a lot of time and work if your piece is 300 or more bars long.
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General Discussion / Re: several pictures
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The "12" in a box reminds me of a rehearsal mark.
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General Discussion / CueHeads.ms
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General Discussion / Re: What is this?
Please don't ask me what a harmonic notehead is meant for, I have no clue.
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General Discussion / Re: No time Signature
Dolmetch's Online Music Dictionary
and its companion page
Dolmetsch theory intro
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General Discussion / Re: how to make it longer like in the picture
The height (vertical position) of each hairpin depends on the vertical position of the last dynamic before it on the same staff. Even though it might be way way earlier (50 bars or more), moving that dynamic up or down will move your hairpin up or down. If you don't want to adjust that dynamic, you can add one closer to, but before, the hairpin, and set it to Visibility=Never. Even though it won't print, you can still move it up or down to control the hairpin.
To avoid either end of the hairpin running into the dynamic symbol, you can adjust the dynamic placement - select it, press Ctrl-E or Alt-E to get the notation properties menu, then fiddle with Placement and maybe Justification Right.
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General Discussion / Re: quarter note's rest out side of the staff
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Ha...ha...ha...you guys are still lucky your languages are mostly used in this world... To balance between my brain and physic/muscle my main job is housekeeping.
It is good that now a days we have kind of community where we can ask question and learn and we can learn from youtube anything.
Here below is my web, that I just built by selfstudy.,
Hey Frank, one excellent feature of Noteworthy is this wonderful forum. I tend not to visit unless I'm using NWC, but right now I'm going through the messages I haven't seen before.
I'm lucky my native language is English, but I had French (instead of Latin) forced on me in school, and I began to learn Swedish when I was middle-aged. Unfortunately, Swedish bumped my French out of my brain, and when I try to speak in French I end up using Swedish words and grammar.
I appreciate the UK/Australian words for the note values, even though I don't always remember what each one means.
If you don't play an instrument, you might consider learning one and joining a community band. Great for the brain, great for socializing. A couple of hours every week where you just forget the world.
Like you, I learned to create my own webpages from scratch, too. Here's one example:
http://tdwaw.ellingtonweb.ca/TDWAW1.html
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General Discussion / Re: quarter note's rest out side of the staff
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But I'm not in the UK and these are the names I use...
No man is an island, but Australia is. Kinda big, though.
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General Discussion / Re: not loud enough
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When I screen recording my keyed song in Noteworthy. How can we make it load enough, so that when my choir member play my youtube it is loud enough.
I think this can only be done one staff at a time.

Anyway, select your staff, then select the Instrument tab in the Staff Properties (F2) menu and increase the default velocities for each dynamic.
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General Discussion / Re: Key signature
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Quote from: David Palmquist - 12 hours ago
Is it possible those are not sharp signs, bur instead are double sharps?
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No, these are standard sharp signs. They look like "ours", i.e. like "hash marks" #, just angled at about 45
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General Discussion / Re: changing the key
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Perhaps this deliberate approach to make consistent fingerings is how their keys were originally defined, and have remained so to this day. At least, that's my best guess for now.
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I'm also thinking to the baroque recorder.
I don't have a baroque recorder but do have an alto recorder that I never play. Wikipedia says
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The F alto is a non-transposing instrument . . . So-called F fingerings are therefore used ... in contrast to the C fingerings used for most other woodwinds...
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General Discussion / Re: changing the key
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... normally a trumpet is a Bb instrument. There are exceptions which will help make things clearer later.
The reason it is called a Bb instrument is that its fundamental note, with no valves operated, is a concert Bb. From the players perspective we call this fundamental note C, even though it is still a concert Bb...
Trumpets come in several pitches. You will see Bb, A, C, D and Eb most commonly though by far the most prevalent is the Bb. If a trumpet is mentioned without a key then it will be a Bb trumpet. In ALL cases the lowest note with no valves operated is called middle C.
The theory is a little different for transposing reed instruments - clarinets, saxes, and english horns, and some flutes (oboe, most flutes and bassoons don't transpose).
Saxes and clarinets are not normally explained in terms of their fundamental note. The lowest note on most Bb soprano clarinets is a written E, which is D on the piano. If you don't close any of the tone holes, you get a written G, or concert F. The lowest note on saxophones is usually written Bb which will be Ab on the piano for the Bb saxes and Db on the piano for the Eb saxes. Some members of the clarinet family play lower - vintage alto and bass clarinets traditionally go down to written Eb and modern bass clarinets down to written C below that. The low note on many modern baritone saxes is a written A.
The "name" of the instrument - "Bb" tenor sax, "Eb" alto sax is the concert pitch note heard when a written C is played. On your soprano or tenor, when you play C that same note on a piano is Bb. On alto or bari, C gives you Eb.
Three members of the clarinet family are pitched in Eb and some saxes are pitched in C (I have a C soprano and a C melody). Clarinets used for symphonic work are often pitched in A and I think I've seen ads for clarinets in C as well. Recently somebody on Facebook posted a short video of him playing a bass clarinet pitched in G which he made with a 3-D printer.
Sorry I wrote so much. All I am trying to say is that transposing woodwind instruments are not named for their fundamental notes (if they even have them).
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General Discussion / Re: Key signature
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General Discussion / Re: How would you play this?
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Thanks for asking! I remember how rushed the publisher was to get this to press--I had about 24 hours to proof, and I was still working full-time then! I am not surprised that some things are ambiguous.
Mm. 45-48 should all be written Db for bass clarinet. I think you and your friends have guessed correctly--there is an unnecessary accidental in m. 45, but the intent is for all four measures to be Db for bass clarinet.
Thanks so much for asking!
I'm not sure if I'm happy or not. I was thinking I was learning something about open key signatures. But all is good! Thanks everyone.
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General Discussion / Re: Convert file in NWC to Midi format

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General Discussion / Re: Convert file in NWC to Midi format
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How??
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General Discussion / Re: Convert file in NWC to Midi format
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File -> Export will store it as MIDI file of type 0.
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Why type 0?
deltaeupher
You could always open Audacity or a similar programme (I still use Creative WaveStudio online) and set it to record, then play the NWC file. The sound should be recorded to your hard drive and you can then save it in a format that can be played back in a sound app.
If you want to use the file in another notation programme, you can convert it to MusicXML using https://www.niversoft.com/products/xml2nwc/#conversion
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General Discussion / Re: windows 11
An alternative then would be for leforain to send his or her existing NWC files to one of us to open and save to nwc text format and send them back.
leforain, is this something you'd consider? How many files are there, I wonder?