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Messages - Lawrie Pardy

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General Discussion / Re: REINSTALL nwc after computer crash
Hi Gilbert,
I would remove those details if I were you.  Try to avoid being scammed.

There are plenty of USB CD and DVD devices that you can purchase for very cheap and you can install from the CD that way.
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General Discussion / Re: REINSTALL nwc after computer crash
Further to David's reply, no, you shouldn't need to buy anything AFAIK.

The upgrade from 2.5 to 2.75 was a freebie.  Simply install 2.5 from your CD, run NWC, and then click:
Help|Access NoteworthyComposer.com* and it should take you to a relevant upgrade page.

Follow the prompts from there.

* The actual item might not be named exactly that but it will be informative, and I hope obvious.  It's a while since I ran 2.5...
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General Discussion / Re: Beats in a bar
Hi Andrew,
we could probably use a little more context:
3 minims is 6 beats, but a dotted minim plus 3 quavers is 4 1/2 beats.

Do we assume it's a 6/4, or maybe a 3/2 bar?
How do the quavers line up with the minims below?

Have you learned how to make chords and rest-chords?
Or perhaps it might be best approached with layered staves.

Perhaps you could post an image of the source?
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General Discussion / Re: Fonts.ini
Hi Flurmy, TBH, I'd completely forgotten that feature as I install my font suites into the Windows Fonts folder...
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General Discussion / Re: Two in the place for three
Arguably, you could put a bunch of restchords with hidden rests in the right hand and fiddle the rest portion values to fit it in, BUT you can't beam restchords, and the playback wouldn't be quite right as it would inevitably be uneven.

Sadly, tuplets have always been something of a bugbear in NWC.

Check out Warren's post above.
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General Discussion / Re: Two in the place for three
I would just place the crotchets, then add text dots that are position left at next note bar - pad the text entry with leading spaces to position the dot where you want it.  No messing around with tempos, which would affect other staves that may not have tuplets to worry about.
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General Discussion / Re: Copying a guitar chord in GuitarChord.ms
Are you wanting to copy the object to other places in your score, or do you want to copy the image to another application?

For the former, simply highlight* the anchor (a small, greyed, image at the bottom left of the chord grid) and use your normal copy process.  In my case I use the windows <Ctrl+C>, <Ctrl+V> combinations.

* I position the cursor just to the left of the object and press <Shift+RtArrow>

For the latter, I have no idea other than to perhaps print to, say, a PDF and then copy the image from the PDF; or maybe take a screen shot and use something like MSPaint to clip the chord grid from that.
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General Discussion / Re: starting NWC application
Quote from: Marianne van Harten –
I tried to start my NWC, but it wouldn't.
So, I installed it again, but still it wouldn't

How can I delete NWC completely - including the registry settings - so that I can do a clean install?
Hi Maryanne,
there are 2 ways I know of, but before that rather drastic approach, can I ask an obvious question, plus one a little less so?

1) Have you restarted the PC?  The only times I've ever had a problem (about twice) starting NWC is because it still had a process running in the background that Windows hadn't cleaned up.

2) has your anti-malware software recently been updated?  There may be a false positive that is silently killing NWC.  I would do a scan and check for reports.  If there's nothing I'd then disable it and try NWC again - might be good to not be online while the anti-malware is disabled, and definitely do the scan FIRST.

OK, now to answer your question:
a) you should be able to use add/remove programs (later versions call it Programs and features) in control panel.
OR
b) in the install directory (normally "C:\Program Files (x86)\Noteworthy Software\NoteWorthy Composer 2") there is "uninstall.exe".

I don't know how thorough this will be in cleaning up your appdata directory:
:localappdata:\Noteworthy Software\nwc2

or object plugin directory:
:programdata:\Noteworthy Software\nwc2\UserPlugins

NB - my install has been modded so much over the years that I'm not certain these are the defaults, though I think they are.
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General Discussion / Re: Scripts and programs
Love the Ada Lovelace example.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (likely) but the way I now understand it is that a program ends up being compiled, whereas a script has come to mean any language that requires an interpreter to be running, and halfway between that are the semi-compiled languages though the compiling step would make me consider them programming languages rather than scripting languages.

Thus: C, Pascal etc. are programming languages - they need to be compiled before they will do anything.
VBScript, Javascript, php etc. are scripting languages - they use an interpreter to parse a text file in real time.
Then there's the semi-compiled languages that are compiled into an intermediate format (e.g. Bytecode) but still require a runtime component to interpret the semi-compiled "program".  I believe .NET, java and python are current examples of this approach.
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Object Plugins / Re: Ottavamatic.ms (2.0)
Quote from: bjhall1950 –
I'm new to all this. I've tried using the Ottavamatic.ms command for notation on a song for our church pianist.

I guess I'm doing something wrong. How do I get it to display the 8va-------------- over or under the notes? Do I blank out the other options in the dialogue box? It doesn't work that way. I've tried that, but still don't get the object to display or print.

So far, the only way I can get the markings I need is to use insert text. I know that isn't right, but it is the best I can think of.

I've been a NWC user for many years. I'm just now needing this object to work. Any help would be appreciated.

BJ
Just to make sure you're using the object correctly:
  • Insert the object (normally at the start of a staff) and make sure the parameters suit your requirements - the defaults usually will
  • At the location in the staff where you need the 8va et al to appear place an Instrument Change (press <I>).  You can clear all the patch details if you want, just make sure the transposition reflects what you need(E.G. add 12 for 8va, -12 for 8va bassa)
  • If you are notating a transposing instrument, take the pre-existing transposition into account for not only the instrument change but also the objects parameters.  IE for a tenor sax, the pre-existing transposition will be -14, so you need to tell Ottavamatic about it in the "Staff Transpose" field, then when you want the 8va, use -2 (12 semitones higher than the existing transposition) in the Instrument Change dialogue
  • To remove the 8va etc. simply put in another Instrument Change return the staff to "0", or to the original transposition for a transposing instrument.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: Page number font size
Quote from: deltaeupher –
How can I increase the font size for page numbers?
There are 2 relatively easy ways.
  • For the standard, garden variety page numbers, the font used is called "Page Small Text" in the |File|Page Setup...|Fonts (Tab) dialogue - simply increase the size from the default of 8.  This has the drawback of affecting ALL text entries that use "Page Small Text"
  • If you have looked at "User Objects" at all, you can use the "PageTxtMaestro" and "PageTxt" objects to replace the default page numbering and you can select alternative display fonts in the "PageTxt" object.  Just remember to turn page numbering OFF in |File|Page Setup...|Options (Tab).

The PageTxtMaestro system is introduced here:
https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=9215.0

To check to see if it is already installed; simply open a score, press <J> to open the object dialogue, press <p> to take you to the "p"s in the list and if you have it installed then you will see "PageTxt.nw" and "PageTxtMaestro.nw" in the object type list.

The "PageTxtMaestro" objects are quite powerful and can give excellent results when you learn to use them effectively.
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General Discussion / Re: Missing missing octave accidentals
I think it's because they're in octaves and thus could be correct.
Check this snippet that detects the error correctly (notice that the 4th note in the 1st bar is erroneously affected by the accidental on the preceding note - this is a long time quirk of NWC):
Code: [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#,C#|Tonic:D
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:n-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3,4
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3,n4
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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General Discussion / Re: NWC wouldn't start
Hi Marianne,
I know it's a cliche, but my go to for anything like this (has never happened to me with NWC) is a restart of Windows...

Still, I just did a quick check on my system.

I haven't run NWC since my last reboot (yesterday):
I opened the task manager, scrolled down through background tasks to where NWC2 would be if it was running, and predictably it wasn't there.
I launched NWC and it appeared in the background tasks momentarily, then the NWC window overlaid the task manager and I couldn't see it anymore, but when I switched to task manager NWC was now in the Apps section.

My guess would be that it runs as a background process while initialising, and once initialised moves from background to a running app.  That's just a guess mind you.

If I'm correct, then something is preventing, or delaying initialisation.  The above mentioned reboot might be all that's needed.
If that doesn't work I'd restart again, and without launching any apps I'd run Disk Cleanup - ONLY select Temporary files at this point (2nd last in the list), perform the cleanup and try again.

Beyond that I'm not sure.
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General Discussion / Re: Quantisation
Quote from: karandre –
Bonjour   Lorsque je charge un fichier midi dans NWC par le mode importation ..j'ai le choix de la quantification ..mais souvent cela ne fonctionne pas sur toutes les portées. C'est pour cela que je demandais s'il était possible une fois un fichier Midi importé de quantifier portée par portée .
Greetings,
This will depend on the way the MIDI file is already quantized.
You can do some adjustment during the import by setting the note and rest resolution.
For what it's worth, MIDI import in NWC has always seemed to me to be lest than stellar given that it seems to try to do an exact representation of the MIDI quantization in notation.
Playback will be fine, but appearance not so much.
I know of no automated internal mechanism to adjust things post import.

These are the settings I have by default in my system:

(Courtesy of Google Translate:)
Salutations,
Cela dépendra de la façon dont le fichier MIDI est déjà quantifié.
Vous pouvez faire quelques ajustements pendant l'importation en définissant la résolution des notes et des silences.
Pour ce que ça vaut, l'importation MIDI dans NWC m'a toujours semblé être moins que stellaire étant donné qu'elle semble essayer de faire une représentation exacte de la quantification MIDI en notation.
La lecture sera correcte, mais l'apparence pas tellement.
Je ne connais aucun mécanisme interne automatisé pour ajuster les choses après l'importation.

Voici les paramètres par défaut de mon système :
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General Discussion / Re: Merry Christmas
Well, it's just gone midnight here in the land of Oz, that makes it Christmas Day, so allow me to join Lorenzo in wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year.
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General Discussion / Re: rest in chord
The snippet shows 3 voices (1 stem up, and 2 stem down).  The rests of the "restchords" apply to the stem down voices and are there to visually complete the lower voices time value of the bar.
NWC won't allow you to create this restchord as NWCs internal rules require that the rest be shorter or the same length of the note it is chorded with.  As it is actually non functional in this context I usually place a text "rest" for the visual aspect.
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General Discussion / Re: alignment versenumber
Hi Marianne,
Interesting problem...
You can set a rest to be "Lyric syllable | Always".
While this will cause Versenumber.ms to place a verse number before the rest, the lyrics will now start on the rest too.  This can be fixed by putting an underscore <_> at the start of the relevant verse.  If the versenumber alignment still isn't quite what you want, you can put multiple underscores together, with no spaces between them, to take up extra space.
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General Discussion / Re: Avoid saving ActiveStaff, CaretIndex and CaretPos in nwctxt
Yes, but I've been using NWC for longer than that ;)

I was fortunate enough to be part of the V2.0 beta test team when we communicated with each other on a newsgroup.
Can't remember for sure but I think I started with NWC in 2001 or 2002...  That was V1.x - I think 1.75... though it may have been 1.70.
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General Discussion / Re: Avoid saving ActiveStaff, CaretIndex and CaretPos in nwctxt
Hi Jonas,
These things also occur in the NWC file.  For completely different reasons sometimes I'm fine with it and sometimes it's an irritation.  I forget when this was introduced, and a quick look at the change information available on the main NWC site doesn't seem to say, but I'm sure it wasn't always like this.

I think I would like to see your proposal changed just slightly.  Rather than limit it to nwctxt files, make it so that there is an option whether or not to save these positional data at all.

If you want to add complexity, have 2 toggles: one for NWC files, and one for nwctxt files.

As a workaround maybe try to educate your other users to remember to move the cursor to the start of the top staff and press <0> (zero) before saving.  This will position the cursor at staff pos 0, current duration 1/4, standard notehead etc. at the start of the top staff.  If everyone can remember to do this then the positional data will always be the same.  Not a solution I know, and it depends on users being able to remember to do it...  Why do I feel like it'd be the same as trying to push a piece of string uphill?  :))
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Yes, but then you have to fill in the other fields again.

Sorry mate, just being a bit grumpy...
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Hey Gust, can you please add a mechanism to the captcha on your website to allow a user to ask for a new one - half the time I can't tell which case some of the letters are and it can take multiple attempts to get in.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi mate, you're gonna get sick of hearing from me...

Typo in the help text: "NWX" in the last section.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
just discovered that anything that's on channel 10 or greater shows channel 10 in the interface.

More to the point, channels greater than 10 cannot be set in the interface.

When I muted a part on channel 12, even though it was showing channel 10 in the interface it successfully muted and remained on channel 10 12.

Lawrie

edit in italics
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Seems fine thanks Gust - I can see this tool getting a bit of a workout at times.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Quote from: Opagust –
I forgot to mention one thing in the install instructions: you have to check the box 'Long Task Handling'.
That will avoid the ERROR screen.
Hi Gust,
thanks for that - it fixed the problem I first encountered, but the other one is still to be resolved.

There will be 2 songs in your email shortly.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
just installed and tried the new version on a file I'm working on - seems to run fine, bu-ut - my changes weren't saved.
On clicking OK the program exited and I got the attached error.
I tried a simple, single staff file and it seemed to save fine.
Then I tried a different, more complex piece and got the missing clef error attached when running the program.  It never actually opened.  Interesting thing is there actually IS a clef on the staff, but it's not the first element.
Next I created a very simple test file using the piano template - just 2 bars on both staves.  With clef, key sig. and time sig. of course.  This also seemed to work fine although I did get a warning message saying the command was irreversible (I hadn't saved the file at all as it was a test).

On a different tack, there is a typo on the button at the bottom of each channel - the word "Predifined" should be "Predefined"

Would you like me to email you some files that failed?


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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
All good, I was just curious as I can see this tool as a real winner - at least for me :)

I'll be patient mate.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Quote from: Opagust –
Instrument lines in a itree file consist of the name of the instrument and the patch number, separated by a "=" sign.
The program crashed on a line where the separator was a "-" instead of a "=".
I can eventually change the program to skip lines not containing a "=".
Significant parts of that itree include lines that have transpositions, some of which are negative.
E.G.
Acoustic Guitar (nylon)=24,Trans(-12)

Could this be the problem?
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
done and same error...

I did a little experimenting and some of my older, and much simpler, itrees seem OK.

What kind of errors in the file should I be looking for?

FWIW I should probably simplify my itree anyway - many of the sections are no longer in use.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Quote from: Opagust –
Hi Lawrie,
That error occurs when reading the instrument tree.
Can you send me the itree file you're using (see Tools/Options/Folders/Instrument Trees/Explore...,  and look for the file with the same name as in the title of the window that shows when you click 'Predefined Instruments' in the Staff Properties/Instruments)
Thanks
itree attached - it's pretty big and convoluted...
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
downloaded and installed, but no joy.  Please see attached .png file for error message.

I don't know if it makes a difference, but I installed it into my scripts folder, under the folder where NWC2.exe lives.  This being historically where all scripts were installed way back when... NB I have full permissions to this location.
When I created the new tool and put the full path in the "Command" field NWC decided to strip off everything except the relative parts of the path.  I.E. "Scripts\mixer_board-1.0.exe"

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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Quote from: Flurmy –
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
Nuh, when downloading, Winblows (or maybe my browser) offers a numerical differentiator as part of the filename of the second.
????
Maybe you mean "uploading"...
Anyway I think I saw that effect but I didn't try recently. I can easily be wrong.
Nope - Downloading.  I downloaded both the above identically named files (actually, they are the SAME file) and the downloads have different names (added numerical differentiator in parentheses).
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Nuh, when downloading, Winblows (or maybe my browser) offers a numerical differentiator as part of the filename of the second.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Hey Lorenzo,
NOW I've seen the 2 pager  ;)

As for getting measure spacing right, you still need to have the lyrics in place as they change everything.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Quote from: lawrroc –
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
Also, both attachments are the same.

They are the same, but the page settings are different. In "Page Preview", in the first one everything is on one page, in the second one a second page appears. However it is not important, I will follow your advice to optimize the layout. Thanks.
I beg to disagree - for me they are identical.  Single page only.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Hi Lorenzo,
I haven't done any examples due to:
Some points to note:
  • When you add the lyrics they will interfere with the measure spacing, so you need them in place first in order to adjust things
  • you have a mix of 2/4 and Common time measures - they will take different amounts of space - for any given measure, if it's in 2/4 it will take less space than a 4/4 or Common time one.
  • You have several tools available to you for controlling measures per system:
    • You can turn off "Increase Spacing for longer notes" in Page|Setup|Options(tab)
    • Set system breaks on barlines
    • Set separate system breaks from the "Boundary" tab of Notation Properties <]>
    • You can use "Spacers" <Ins> - NOTE: a spacer can reduce space used.
    • You can beam notes smaller than a crotchet (quarter) - old practice was for lyric parts to never use beams - this has fallen by the wayside, use beams!
    • You can change the staff metrics in Page|Setup|Fonts(tab)
  • If you want blank space at the bottom of the page, turn off "Justify printed systems vertically in Page|Setup|Options(tab)
  • I'm not sure why you're insisting on a set number of measures per system.  Often the lyrics make this hard to impossible and in this case the mix of 2/4 and 4/4 (Common Time) measures makes it pretty much untenable

Also, both attachments are the same.