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Messages - Lawrie Pardy

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General Discussion / Re: Missing missing octave accidentals
I think it's because they're in octaves and thus could be correct.
Check this snippet that detects the error correctly (notice that the 4th note in the 1st bar is erroneously affected by the accidental on the preceding note - this is a long time quirk of NWC):
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#,C#|Tonic:D
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:n-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3,4
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3,n4
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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General Discussion / Re: NWC wouldn't start
Hi Marianne,
I know it's a cliche, but my go to for anything like this (has never happened to me with NWC) is a restart of Windows...

Still, I just did a quick check on my system.

I haven't run NWC since my last reboot (yesterday):
I opened the task manager, scrolled down through background tasks to where NWC2 would be if it was running, and predictably it wasn't there.
I launched NWC and it appeared in the background tasks momentarily, then the NWC window overlaid the task manager and I couldn't see it anymore, but when I switched to task manager NWC was now in the Apps section.

My guess would be that it runs as a background process while initialising, and once initialised moves from background to a running app.  That's just a guess mind you.

If I'm correct, then something is preventing, or delaying initialisation.  The above mentioned reboot might be all that's needed.
If that doesn't work I'd restart again, and without launching any apps I'd run Disk Cleanup - ONLY select Temporary files at this point (2nd last in the list), perform the cleanup and try again.

Beyond that I'm not sure.
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General Discussion / Re: Quantisation
Quote from: karandre –
Bonjour   Lorsque je charge un fichier midi dans NWC par le mode importation ..j'ai le choix de la quantification ..mais souvent cela ne fonctionne pas sur toutes les portées. C'est pour cela que je demandais s'il était possible une fois un fichier Midi importé de quantifier portée par portée .
Greetings,
This will depend on the way the MIDI file is already quantized.
You can do some adjustment during the import by setting the note and rest resolution.
For what it's worth, MIDI import in NWC has always seemed to me to be lest than stellar given that it seems to try to do an exact representation of the MIDI quantization in notation.
Playback will be fine, but appearance not so much.
I know of no automated internal mechanism to adjust things post import.

These are the settings I have by default in my system:

(Courtesy of Google Translate:)
Salutations,
Cela dépendra de la façon dont le fichier MIDI est déjà quantifié.
Vous pouvez faire quelques ajustements pendant l'importation en définissant la résolution des notes et des silences.
Pour ce que ça vaut, l'importation MIDI dans NWC m'a toujours semblé être moins que stellaire étant donné qu'elle semble essayer de faire une représentation exacte de la quantification MIDI en notation.
La lecture sera correcte, mais l'apparence pas tellement.
Je ne connais aucun mécanisme interne automatisé pour ajuster les choses après l'importation.

Voici les paramètres par défaut de mon système :
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General Discussion / Re: Merry Christmas
Well, it's just gone midnight here in the land of Oz, that makes it Christmas Day, so allow me to join Lorenzo in wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year.
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General Discussion / Re: rest in chord
The snippet shows 3 voices (1 stem up, and 2 stem down).  The rests of the "restchords" apply to the stem down voices and are there to visually complete the lower voices time value of the bar.
NWC won't allow you to create this restchord as NWCs internal rules require that the rest be shorter or the same length of the note it is chorded with.  As it is actually non functional in this context I usually place a text "rest" for the visual aspect.
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General Discussion / Re: alignment versenumber
Hi Marianne,
Interesting problem...
You can set a rest to be "Lyric syllable | Always".
While this will cause Versenumber.ms to place a verse number before the rest, the lyrics will now start on the rest too.  This can be fixed by putting an underscore <_> at the start of the relevant verse.  If the versenumber alignment still isn't quite what you want, you can put multiple underscores together, with no spaces between them, to take up extra space.
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General Discussion / Re: Avoid saving ActiveStaff, CaretIndex and CaretPos in nwctxt
Yes, but I've been using NWC for longer than that ;)

I was fortunate enough to be part of the V2.0 beta test team when we communicated with each other on a newsgroup.
Can't remember for sure but I think I started with NWC in 2001 or 2002...  That was V1.x - I think 1.75... though it may have been 1.70.
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General Discussion / Re: Avoid saving ActiveStaff, CaretIndex and CaretPos in nwctxt
Hi Jonas,
These things also occur in the NWC file.  For completely different reasons sometimes I'm fine with it and sometimes it's an irritation.  I forget when this was introduced, and a quick look at the change information available on the main NWC site doesn't seem to say, but I'm sure it wasn't always like this.

I think I would like to see your proposal changed just slightly.  Rather than limit it to nwctxt files, make it so that there is an option whether or not to save these positional data at all.

If you want to add complexity, have 2 toggles: one for NWC files, and one for nwctxt files.

As a workaround maybe try to educate your other users to remember to move the cursor to the start of the top staff and press <0> (zero) before saving.  This will position the cursor at staff pos 0, current duration 1/4, standard notehead etc. at the start of the top staff.  If everyone can remember to do this then the positional data will always be the same.  Not a solution I know, and it depends on users being able to remember to do it...  Why do I feel like it'd be the same as trying to push a piece of string uphill?  :))
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Yes, but then you have to fill in the other fields again.

Sorry mate, just being a bit grumpy...
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Hey Gust, can you please add a mechanism to the captcha on your website to allow a user to ask for a new one - half the time I can't tell which case some of the letters are and it can take multiple attempts to get in.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi mate, you're gonna get sick of hearing from me...

Typo in the help text: "NWX" in the last section.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
just discovered that anything that's on channel 10 or greater shows channel 10 in the interface.

More to the point, channels greater than 10 cannot be set in the interface.

When I muted a part on channel 12, even though it was showing channel 10 in the interface it successfully muted and remained on channel 10 12.

Lawrie

edit in italics
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Seems fine thanks Gust - I can see this tool getting a bit of a workout at times.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Quote from: Opagust –
I forgot to mention one thing in the install instructions: you have to check the box 'Long Task Handling'.
That will avoid the ERROR screen.
Hi Gust,
thanks for that - it fixed the problem I first encountered, but the other one is still to be resolved.

There will be 2 songs in your email shortly.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
just installed and tried the new version on a file I'm working on - seems to run fine, bu-ut - my changes weren't saved.
On clicking OK the program exited and I got the attached error.
I tried a simple, single staff file and it seemed to save fine.
Then I tried a different, more complex piece and got the missing clef error attached when running the program.  It never actually opened.  Interesting thing is there actually IS a clef on the staff, but it's not the first element.
Next I created a very simple test file using the piano template - just 2 bars on both staves.  With clef, key sig. and time sig. of course.  This also seemed to work fine although I did get a warning message saying the command was irreversible (I hadn't saved the file at all as it was a test).

On a different tack, there is a typo on the button at the bottom of each channel - the word "Predifined" should be "Predefined"

Would you like me to email you some files that failed?


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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
All good, I was just curious as I can see this tool as a real winner - at least for me :)

I'll be patient mate.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Quote from: Opagust –
Instrument lines in a itree file consist of the name of the instrument and the patch number, separated by a "=" sign.
The program crashed on a line where the separator was a "-" instead of a "=".
I can eventually change the program to skip lines not containing a "=".
Significant parts of that itree include lines that have transpositions, some of which are negative.
E.G.
Acoustic Guitar (nylon)=24,Trans(-12)

Could this be the problem?
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
done and same error...

I did a little experimenting and some of my older, and much simpler, itrees seem OK.

What kind of errors in the file should I be looking for?

FWIW I should probably simplify my itree anyway - many of the sections are no longer in use.
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Quote from: Opagust –
Hi Lawrie,
That error occurs when reading the instrument tree.
Can you send me the itree file you're using (see Tools/Options/Folders/Instrument Trees/Explore...,  and look for the file with the same name as in the title of the window that shows when you click 'Predefined Instruments' in the Staff Properties/Instruments)
Thanks
itree attached - it's pretty big and convoluted...
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User Tools / Re: MIXER BOARD
Hi Gust,
downloaded and installed, but no joy.  Please see attached .png file for error message.

I don't know if it makes a difference, but I installed it into my scripts folder, under the folder where NWC2.exe lives.  This being historically where all scripts were installed way back when... NB I have full permissions to this location.
When I created the new tool and put the full path in the "Command" field NWC decided to strip off everything except the relative parts of the path.  I.E. "Scripts\mixer_board-1.0.exe"

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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Quote from: Flurmy –
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
Nuh, when downloading, Winblows (or maybe my browser) offers a numerical differentiator as part of the filename of the second.
????
Maybe you mean "uploading"...
Anyway I think I saw that effect but I didn't try recently. I can easily be wrong.
Nope - Downloading.  I downloaded both the above identically named files (actually, they are the SAME file) and the downloads have different names (added numerical differentiator in parentheses).
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Nuh, when downloading, Winblows (or maybe my browser) offers a numerical differentiator as part of the filename of the second.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Hey Lorenzo,
NOW I've seen the 2 pager  ;)

As for getting measure spacing right, you still need to have the lyrics in place as they change everything.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Quote from: lawrroc –
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
Also, both attachments are the same.

They are the same, but the page settings are different. In "Page Preview", in the first one everything is on one page, in the second one a second page appears. However it is not important, I will follow your advice to optimize the layout. Thanks.
I beg to disagree - for me they are identical.  Single page only.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Hi Lorenzo,
I haven't done any examples due to:
Some points to note:
  • When you add the lyrics they will interfere with the measure spacing, so you need them in place first in order to adjust things
  • you have a mix of 2/4 and Common time measures - they will take different amounts of space - for any given measure, if it's in 2/4 it will take less space than a 4/4 or Common time one.
  • You have several tools available to you for controlling measures per system:
    • You can turn off "Increase Spacing for longer notes" in Page|Setup|Options(tab)
    • Set system breaks on barlines
    • Set separate system breaks from the "Boundary" tab of Notation Properties <]>
    • You can use "Spacers" <Ins> - NOTE: a spacer can reduce space used.
    • You can beam notes smaller than a crotchet (quarter) - old practice was for lyric parts to never use beams - this has fallen by the wayside, use beams!
    • You can change the staff metrics in Page|Setup|Fonts(tab)
  • If you want blank space at the bottom of the page, turn off "Justify printed systems vertically in Page|Setup|Options(tab)
  • I'm not sure why you're insisting on a set number of measures per system.  Often the lyrics make this hard to impossible and in this case the mix of 2/4 and 4/4 (Common Time) measures makes it pretty much untenable

Also, both attachments are the same.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Hey Lorenzo,
can you post an image showing the problem please?
I think I understand, but a picture really is worth a thousand words.

Part of what your saying seems to be how I would expect NWC to behave, with staves that fill from left to right margin, but then there seems to be a part that makes me think you're expecting a "ragged right" layout which makes no sense to me except possibly for the very last staff, but that makes no sense in a context of 48 bars across 6 staves.*

Confused... ;)

* are you printing in landscape?  8 bars across seems a lot to me - it would make the print very small.
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General Discussion / Re: What is 2 Ped.
Hi Warren,
while I have no idea what "2 ped" means, Google seems to be our friend.
Try here.

Quote
both pedals
In composers like Debussy & Ravel, "2 Ped" is an abbreviation for "les deux pédales" or in English, "both pedals" - meaning to depress both the sustain and una corda pedals. As above, the pianos they used typically did not have the middle or sostenuto pedal, so "both pedals" were all the pedals there were to use.

As for "Muted Violin" I assume you mean patch, not channel...   ;)
This is going to depend on your synth/soundfont.
However, patch 64 is supposed to be Soprano Sax, which doesn't really seem consistent with a muted violin to me...
In the soundfont I'm using* patch 40, the violin, has some edge to it so even with the channel volume down it doesn't really sound muted, just quiet.  However, patch 41 (viola) and 42 (cello) are both progressively more mellow so a low volume setting with one of these patches might help.

It's also possible you can find a synth or soundfont or perhaps a VST instrument that implements a proper muted violin.

* My preferred soundfont is the "merlin_audigy(v1.14).sf2", but I've modified it as the one I found online had a percussive flute...  I managed to bumble my way through fixing it with the Vienna soundfont editor lo, these many moons ago.  :D

<edit> it appears Flurmy posted while I was typing stuff...</edit>
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General Discussion / Re: Finale’s finale
Both Sibelius and Dorico have subscription and perpetual licence alternatives.  From what I've been able to gather, it seems that about 3 years of annual licence fees is the same cost, thereabouts, as a perpetual licence.  BUT, I think that updates then cost extra.
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General Discussion / Re: BAK trouble
Curious, mine works fine... (I'm using the 2.8 beta 1 version)
Anyhow, the full filename is of the form Songname.nwc.bak - just remove the .bak part.
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General Discussion / Re: BAK trouble
Copy the .bak file to a .nwc file?

Or navigate to the .bak file, <Right+Click> and choose "open with" and select NWC
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General Discussion / Re: Finale’s finale
Conversion is likely to be a nightmare for many of them too.  Gonna HAVE to go via MusicXML.

Due to proprietary file formats, products like Dorico can't legally have the ability to open Finale files (or any others for that matter).

Buddy of mine got screwed over on his Sibelius licence recently and was looking into exactly this.  Except he couldn't run his Sib at all 'cos the licence got messed up after a hard drive failure.  No backup of course (D'oh)
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General Discussion / Re: Another Sound
Hi Frank,
I didn't pay attention to any other staff when I heard and spotted the percussion from "Suara 4".  What I said earlier still holds, unless you actually want the percussion sounds...

It didn't help that you have the top 2 staves muted and it seem the 2nd (bass) staff is the one you're unhappy with. 
If you check the MIDI properties of this staff it is set to patch/instrument 91 which is a "Pad", actually "Pad 4 Choir".  Perhaps you might change it to patch/instrument 0 (acoustic grand piano) the same as staff 1.
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General Discussion / Re: Another Sound
Hi Frank,
If you press <r> for score review and look at the MIDI channel for ID 7 (Staff-5)* you will note it is on channel 10 - this is the percussion channel.  As it is obvious you want a voice rather than percussion you need to change the channel on this staff to something else.

Go to the staff and press <Alt+Enter> to access the properties, select the MIDI tab and change the channel to something other than 10, then set the required instrument on the instrument tab.  It's usually best to select an unused channel (score review <r> will show you what's in use)

* You have labelled this staff "Suara 4"
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General Discussion / Re: Another Sound
Hi Frank,
this will most likely be something to do with either your NWC file or your synthesizer configuration.  I'm guessing it's the NWC file.

One thing you can try is to press and hold <F6>.  This will result in a Popup dialogue asking if you want to do a full MIDI reset - Click Yes and retry.

Another thing you can try is to press <r> for Score Review.  When the popup appears check how many staves you have, which channels they are using and the patch number.  (The patch number refers to the instrument being used.  E.G. 58 is Trombone, 41 is violin etc..  Perhaps look for 55 (Orchestra hit, or 48 to 51 which are String Ensembles, or perhaps 61 which is a brass section.  There are other possibilities too.)

If this doesn't help please post the NWC file so we can investigate it.
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General Discussion / Re: lyrics at Tenor Staff and Bass not shown
Hi Frank,
the problem is that the notes on the Tenor/Bass staff have mostly been set to |Lyrics|Never

In order to allow lyrics to appear on these note this should be changed to |Lyrics|Default or |Lyrics|Always

I suggest using Default unless you need a syllable to appear on a note that is the destination of a tie or slur.

I would select the whole staff ( <Home>, <Shift+End>, <Alt+Enter>), and change the Lyric Syllable parameter to Default

As for lyrics in multiple languages I'm not sure.  In the past this was not possible, but with Unicode font support and ANSI encoding now in place this may have changed.  I really don't know and other users that need/use non-English or multilingual availability should be able to help.
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General Discussion / Re: lyrics at Tenor Staff and Bass not shown
Hi Frank,
you attach an NWC file the same way as any other, drag and drop. 
You just need to make sure you click the "Reply" button at the bottom right, just under this message, instead of using the "quick reply" dialogue.
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General Discussion / Re: lyrics at Tenor Staff and Bass not shown
Hi Frank,
good to hear from you again.

The only thing I can think of is whether you enabled a lyric line in the lyrics dialogue:
<Ctrl+L> | Line Count: (drop down) | set it to 1 lyric line
However I'm sure you wouldn't get this wrong considering how much you've done in NWC.

Another possibility is the Offset parameter in Staff Placement, make sure it hasn't gone to some stupidly high number. It would normally be 0.

All the best,
Lawrie
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User Tools / Re: Beat Count
Quote from: Opagust –
a pretty good result ?
I think I'd prefer to see 4 in a bar for most of the 9/8 sections and 3 for part too, following the beaming patterns, which in this case would also mirror the piano left hand.  I'd certainly be unhappy trying to follow a conductor beating quavers at that speed.
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User Tools / Re: Beat Count
Quote from: hmmueller –
Maybe it's helpful to understand how beat patterns or beat counts arise (Lawrie's post says, I think, the same): They are not so much part of the written music, but part of the performance - and therefore, when there is a conductor, a decision of the conductor. Our choir conductor, after going through a piece with more complex time signatures, often pairs with me, and we have a talk like: "I could give halves here, but then change to quarters in the faster part" or "these 10/8 is actually a triplet+triplet+2 quarters feeling, so I'll conduct it like a 4/4 with a longer 1 and 2 - let's try this" etc.
<snip>
Then there's the scores where the beat pattern is actually specified by the composer*.  Not to mention changing beat patterns within an unchanging time signature section, sometimes bar on bar, plus changing time signatures, also sometimes bar on bar.

Fortunately these things don't happen that often, but they do happen.

It will be interesting to see what Opagust eventually comes up with.

* It's not uncommon for a conductor to ignore these directives depending on the orchestra/band skill level but they're rarely that much better, if at all.