Stuck in a rut I guess. I tried your method, but I couldn't get any speed on it. My method looks messy, but it works for me fast because I learned NWC with the keyboard and mouse Older users use the orginal method and have become proficient with it. I do my transcriptions without any intention of publication, rather I concentrated on the MIDI file output. My method may not look good to the purist, but I've learned to do it fairly quickly. Mostly I transcribe 4 part tunes out of the hymnbook, and sometimes when I have time do Bach transcriptions and such for the organ -- preludes and postludes. No one ever sees the score, but everyone hears the MIDI file on our organ. Thanks for your tutorial, but I use NWC less and less now that we have a pretty large data base of music we use in Eucharist services.
Again, I am on the forum rarely now, but I am exceedingly grateful for it, and for the contributors and experts who give time and talent to those who need advice. Thank you very much for your help.
Thanks for the information! The combined usage of the Fn key plus the function key (your first suggestion) works for me perfectly. Your font of wisdom saves so many extra steps and the occasional expletive.
F5 has always toggled between Play and Stop. I bought a new HP laptop that uses F5 to turn on and off the backlight on the keyboard. It must intercept Noteworthy software, because F5 no longer toggles bewteeen Play/Stop. Has anyone discovered an alternative to Play/Stop function key outside the Tools/Play/Play dropdown menus?
Thanks Mike, John, and Rich for your help and tutorial(!). I bought NWC1.75 several years back, and am now learning the marvels of the new beta version that (finally!) supports NRPNs that our organ uses.
I've transcribed about 1500 hymns using the mouse and virtual keyboard, so I have some habits to break to use your preferred method. But later this summer when the lulls set in, I'll give it the ole college try and try to convert to your methods.
Have you all ever thought about a tutorial beyond what Noteworthy attaches to their software? I've learned more in the forum than ever from one of the manuals. It's been invaluable, and I appreciate it sincerely.
Thanks. I understand the clip examples after your explanation. Also I tried the split stem chord method you described, and I can get it to work. I must have to practice this method a lot before it becomes more natural to use the mouse on the keyboard. I am accustomed to the mouse method, and tying the shorter notes together in order to make the long[er] note sound as one. It works, and I'm used to it. When I have the time to practice on it, I'll juse the up/down arrow method which is the official approved way
Here is an example of how I do it, even though it's very messy looking. However, I'm aiming for the end result midi file and not the publication of the score.
Thanks MIke, your example is precisely what I was trying to achieve. However the clip you attached is complicated to to decipher. I;m referring to the bit that starts out "Code: (nwc) [Select] and so forth. How do I include this in my NWC file?
I encode notes and chords by moving the cursor to the keyboard at the bottom of the NWC screen, then depress the mouse key to enter the note, and depress the left mouse and hold it while I move the cursor to the next note and add it to the chord with the right click of the mouse. I can enter the notes and chords quite quickly. Does NWC store as codes similar to your clip example?
To do it my way, I have to set the length of the note(s) by first clicking on the duration icon in the tool bar. I generally enter a string of notes/chords of the shortest or most prevalent duration, then go back and edit the durations that differ from the ones I first entered. There is no easy way I can find to do splitstemchords. My methods produces the correct notes when played back, but the score looks messy as hell. Still tying the notes together works for me and it's a fast way to transcribe a piece of music into an NWC file.
Is there a macro language that goes along with NWC? Is that what you are describing in your example?
I see a lot of NWC files that appear as they do in published form. How does one encode two or more notes together when they are different length? I can make them all the shortest length and tie them the together to accomplish this, but I would prefer the alternative more traditional notation.
For example say I have a measure with a half note C and a quarter note E and two eight notes F and G all to be played with two beats (the quarter and eighth notes are on the stop of the half note. The files I see are not different staves layered together, but encoded that way in a single staff.
There is a discussion of chords in the user manual, but this are not really chords, but multiple notes of different lengths played together. This method is prevalent, but I don’t how to duplicate it.
How do I tie two chords together with one (or more) of the notes in the chord is an accidental of the other? For example, say one chord is C-E-G notes and the second is C-Eflat-G. Any attempt to tie these making the two Cs and Gs tied is not recognized by first highlighting the chords in question, then using the tie command.. Is there a trick to getting two or more chords tied? LIke Major to minor chords?
An even better solution would provide the NRPN selector on the tool bar to contains a list that would contain lists similar to the INSERT, NOTE, TOOL, ect. tabs on the toolbar. These have a selection of sublists that further refine the scope of the item. Four main lists tabs 1. Swell, 2. Great, 3. Pedal, 4. General would point to the individual stops in those manuals. If you could define the framework, I could add/complete the NRPN entires for the rest of the organ's stops.
Is this workable? I think this might be better than adding additional selectors to the Insert tool bar.
Storing these code values in the staff and staves and using "copy+paste" of the specific NRPNs I need is the method I'm using the most. Still I would like to know what it takes to establish a selector 15, for example, since selector 16 was built for this NRPN test. Is it complicated? Two NRPN selectors would be a great advantage. (The button to the left of the NRPN (#16) selector doesn't do anything for my version of the software. If available I could use it.)
Everything regarding the NRPNs work fine now. I am very happy. The selector you provided me "10f.nwc" works, but is long and cumbersome if I add all of the organ stops. Is there a way I can add an additional selector to reduce the size of the list? 10f.nwc starts with a text button labelled NRPN. Could I have another called NRPN2 for example? What should its file the called, and how does the selector get established other than loading it into the Config folder?
In my case, using the NRPNs of our Allen organ I would like to ultimately develop three selectors labelled Swell, Great, Pedal. This would shorten the single-list approach considerably, and make composition more facile. Is this possible?
Here is the copy of the 10f.nwc file that I modified to include all stops. Is there anyway we can cut down the height of the display? Do what you will, I can use it as it, but it's cumbersome. IT WORKS nicely, however, and I wanted you to know that. I intend to use these NRPNs to set the stop, then to clear them, I'll just insert then edit the contents to clear the data byte to off.
Now all I have issue with is now that NRPN button on the insert tab could be modified, managed, improved. I took your config file entry and entered the remainder of the Allen C12 stops per the method you illustrated in your example. Everything looks okay but it doesn't seem to appear on the tools bar when I copied it over the original sample you sent and started up 2.75. Any ideas? There was no scroll bar either, to show the remaining items in the list. But we are making progess!
How do I upload a copy of this config entry to you for your perusal?
NOTHING IS WORKING! I’m about to give up. Apparently I don’t have the basic knowledge of objects, macros, software development, etc. that is assumed to interact in this forum. I feel desperately ignorant. I have tried to install and execute sample files you have provided for download. Your instructions are confusing (to me), and when I think I have figured out a bit of what is going on and try to export it to a .mid fie and look at the contents using Cakewalk, the NRPNs are not there at all. I must be missing something very basic. #Rick G. Thanks for your interest and help. But your comments mean about as much to me as a page of Chinese poetry. I have no idea what you are trying to tell me. Maybe others follow your train of thought. I’m a novice – just an end user who needs a Noteworthy Composer for Dummies book. #Admin. I have tried your sample programs, and your insert tab file in the config folder, nothing works, and also nothing is readily visible. First off, here are a few things that are tripping me. 1. I am running Version 2.75 Beta Preview 32 for starters. 2. That established, once launched, I click on the Tools bar and Options is the last selection in the drop-down list. There is no selection for User Objects. Ctrl+J seems inoperable at all points after depressing anything after the tools bar has been activated. I’ve missed a step here somewhere. 3. Your instructions say to “open the sample user object first.” What does that mean!! Open objects, what objects, open where, using what. If I try to open MIDIParm.nw in NWC 2.75 there is no command that I can find to do so. If I go to the module in the User Plugins folder and open it there, it shows the macro source code. Ctrl+J doesn’t seem to do anything here at any point either. Nor is there any option shown to “Check online services”. You are assuming that the reader understands the implied directions without being specific. I am lost because when trying to replicate what you indicate, it doesn’t work. 4. Using the sample NRPN_Sample.nwc file you supplied, I finally got a handle on the NRPNs you had put into the code. They are not visible on the staff, only when I checked the properties of the tiny little blip did I find the NRPN details. I began to see the patterns here, but when I added a few simple notes and volume control and exported your sample to a .mid file and inspected it using cakewalk, the notes and the volume controls were there, but the NRPNs were absent on the exported file. Somewhere there is a glitch, or once again, I am missing a step. 5. The insertion tab for NRPN you provided was a nice touch. After seeing the similarities to your sample code, I followed the several entries you provided related to the Allen organ. None were easily visible, but I was able to add and edit the remaining 30+ NRPNs to the sample list. Tedious! But when using the tab labelled NRPN on the tool bar, the full list does not appear, nor is anything showing as a label. There is no apparent action to insert the NRPN into the .nwc song file being constructed (copy and paste?) nor is there a mechanism to turn the NRPN setting on and off like I wrote of some while back. #Admin. What I would really like to see is for end users to have a simple way to insert an instruction (copy and paste is okay) that specifies NRPN, number, on/off and that will be visible and identifiable on the staff and when exported will be included in the .mid file along with notes, controls, patches, etc. and shown as NRPNs there. When installing the feature, we need to be told where to find such an object, where to download it to, and what folder it should reside in. Then as an end user, we need to be told how to insert that object/macro/thingie into the contents of the song and given an example of the steps to perform this and how it will appear once placed in the song. The main thing is to insert something in the staff that would show # and off/on for an NRPN. Nothing more. What that translates to behind the scenes is not something the end user needs to know. Just that the insertion is an NRPN, its number, and its on/off state. Is this doable? I reported my activities to our vestry and the music committee. (I also reported that I was making little progress…) I asked if there might be a contribution allocated we could donate to the forum or as a purchase to the rights of such a facility. We are a small church, and couldn’t afford much (we can’t even afford an organist!), but I hate to be continuing to ask, ask, ask, and bugging you guys at Noteworthy with simple-assed queries that perplex us and aggravate you. Please advise. … and thanks for your patience and forbearance.
I am finally understanding what you have been publishing! But can you send me an example of your latest modifications to your plugin? that allow an NRPN instructions such as Gedact 8 stop = NRPN 40, 16256 for example. Where do these commands go? That is -- I saw your examples and would like to expand them for the entire group of stops. Where do these instructions reside? In a config folder, in the body of the son (nwc file)?
Also everything seems hidden from view and only interpretable using the properties option to view after highlighting the object. Can a label be attached so that it would appear in the body? Or is there a default setting that can establish this? When I view the samples you sent, everything seems hidden.
Secondly, I see the NRPN label you built for the Insert Toolbar. Can two exist, where one is the Insert list for setting the stop, and a second parallel list for clearing the stop? The two buttons could be labelled "Set NRPN" and "Clear NRPN"? This would really facilitate in the composition. Or alternatively, does the “NRPN” file in the config folder have to be named 10f.nwc or can the “adjacent” button be named 11f.nwc for example? It would be helpful to have everything visible and in two insert buttons like you set up in your last post. Placement, visibility, and naming seem to be my concerns now. Also which folders contain which objects. Your advise assumes I already know where all this stuff goes. <smile> Anyway, thanks for all the help!
Thank you so much. Our organ is an Allen Protoge model C12. It has 3 manuals controlled by three channels: Channel 1 = Swell manual, Channel 2 = Great manual, and Channel 3 = Pedal manual. It also uses Channel 8 for the 4 general piston stops, and a gunshot to turn off all NRPN organ stops. (Don't need advice on Channel 8 operations, I got that down....)
I've used Cakewalkl (ProAudio9) to set NRPNs of music I've produced via NWC. It's very cumbersome, as after the MIDI file has been created by NWC, I have to edit it again using Cakewalk to insert the NRPNs. If I need to make a correction in the original NWC source, I have to create a new MIDI file and start the process with Cakewalk all over again. I do this as infrequently as I can manage. But I can tell you to set a few stops for example, I would edit them into Cakewalk as follows
Channel 1 (Swell) Gedackt 8 stop = NRPN 40, 16256 to set the stop and NPRN 40, 0 to clear the stop Channel 1 (Swell) Traverse Flute stop = NRPN 63, 16256 or NRPN 63, 0 to clear Channel 2 (Great) Diapason 8 stop = NRPN 31, 16256 or 31,0 Channel 2 (Great) Harmonic Flute stop = NRPN 40, 16256, or 40,0 Channel 3 (Pedal) Choral Bass stop = NRPN 56, 16256 or 56,0
Our organ has a list of 48 different NRPNs to control stops, couplers, tremulants, etc. The above example would be significantly longer if I showed the complete list. I can provide it in a subsequent post if you would like to see all the settings for the Allen Protoge C12.
I hope this is enough information for you to show me an example of how to set and clear a stop.
May I appeal to someone's compassion? I do not know the macro language in these user plugins, nor understand much, but I think this MIDIParm.nw macro is just what I am looking for. I have downloaded it to my UserPlugins folder. Do I need to do more before using it?
Could someone post the instructions on how, for example, I insert this command into a stave assigned to channel 2 and insert a NRPN for a diapason NRPN 31? I need the command to turn NRPN 31 on and then turn it off.
Hopefully this will be a simple command, for I need to insert dozens of NRPNs in a piece across several channels in several staves. This would really help solve a big problem we have had with NWC in the past. I will be deeply grateful to whomever steps up and helps out someone grossly ignorant on all the technical details of this subject.
I posed a question to Noteworthy support whether NRPNs would be supported in the new version of NWC and got a reply from Beth at Noteworthy that, yes they are included and that I should download the beta version.
I did so, but I, for the life of me, can not find any command, dialog box, drop down, or other feature that allows me to insert a nerpin. Does anyone have an idea where I should start? I'm not a NWC techie like a lot of you and need an "idiots guide to Noteworthy" Note that the beta version has no references in the user manual about NRPNs or RPNs or any insertion points for organ stops.
I posed this question several years back and someone suggested I look into instrument trees. The organ we use doesn't really accommodate that facility. I can set pistons by sending standard instrument patches on a special channel, but as for individual stops, I had to await this new version. I'm really looking forward to doing some registration and voicing if I can ever figure out now to do it!
Thanks in advance if anyone here has any information or expertise in this area.
If I tie together two chords using the / command, all the notes that match each other in the two chords will be tied. For example if I have two tonic chords C-E-G one half note, one a dotted-quarter, all the C,E,G tones will be tied. But if I change one of the Es to an E-flat, and use the / command, NONE of the notes are tied. For example the tie between the Cs and the Gs disappear. Is there a fix for this anomoly/bug? If one of the notes in the two (or more) chords are a natural and a flat, or a natural and a sharp of the same notation F or G for example, then ALL of the common tones in the chord can not be tied. Bummer.
Can anyone help me translate MSB and LSB entries from a NRPN (Non-Registered Parameter Number)? I have a list, and some of the NRPN codes are greater than 127. Do I start over by added 1 to the MSB and subtracting 127 from the LSB? If NRPN = 114, then would MSB = 0, LSB=144 and if NRPN = 144, then would MSB = 1, LSB = 17?
I have a chart of NRPN codes for the stops of our Allen C12 organ. Can I use them to construct an NWC instrument tree? Also, what about an ensemble of stops? For example, if I want to set a staff to play Diapason and Flutes together on the Great?