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Messages - Peter Edwards
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General Discussion / Re: double f sharp
That way the written interval of a second is preserved. otherwise the interval would appear to be an augmented unison
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General Discussion / Re: Rests in Chords - a fix discovered!
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General Discussion / Re: Rests in Chords - a fix discovered!
The only function of the rest is to shorten the chord so that the next note position falls after a quaver rather than a crotchet, thus fixing the original problem as shown in the first bar.
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General Discussion / Re: Rests in Chords - a fix discovered!
No it doesn't. It plays like a 2/4 bar, lines up like a 2/4 bar, and, if you hide the rest, looks like a 2/4 bar. What more could you ask?
Layering is the answer to multi-part writing on one staff, but not to the occasional syncopation. I can quite understand NoteWorthy's reluctance to implement multi-parts on on staff, and what has been implemented is at least understandable. A multi-duration chord acts exactly (for timing/positioning purposes) as its shortest component would on its own, then everything starts again. That would work for any number of durations in a chord.
That in its turn would imply the need for invisible multi-rest 'chords', but that's another story!
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General Discussion / Re: Rests in Chords - a fix discovered!
The invisible rest is needed to fix problem illustrated here:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)The first bar is a quaver too long.
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th|Pos2:3^
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:3
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=7|Dur2:4th|Pos2:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
The second shows a fix, but it is notationally confusing and not standard.
The third bar shows a potential fix, but only if you can make the rest invisible.
To be fair NoteWorthy fixed it by introducing layering, but that brings its own problems and shortcomings (previously discussed at length in many places).
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General Discussion / Re: slur technicals
Strictly therefore we should talk about a long learning curve.
It's the same with Lowest Common Denominator being used to denote something so basic that everyone can understand it, when Highest Common Factor is really the expression which should be used.
To answer my own question, the technical terms have words in them that imply the opposite of the actual meaning. So steep implies difficult, and lowest implies basic. But the expressions actually mean precisely the opposite.
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General Discussion / Re: Rests in Chords - a fix discovered!
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General Discussion / Re: slur technicals
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General Discussion / Re: FEATURE: Under the hood....
To get a rolled chord try the following:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)A grace note is always a 1/32 in playing duration, whatever its notated length :-(
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-3,-1,1,4
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-3,-1,1,4
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
You can double it by tying, as in the second example.
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General Discussion / Re: Chordletters for Accordeon
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General Discussion / Re: Big bottom margin --Why?
Now the first page is a mess and there just doesn't seem to be any willpower being applied to sorting it out.
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General Discussion / Re: NWC files not found by browser
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General Discussion / Re: fit to page
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
not concerned - for a notation/sequencer program to have an obvious (I'll go for authoritative reference over unsubstantiated opinion every time) fault is a matter for concern.
David, your music teachers are talking nonsense, and you know it. Augmented octaves happen surprisingly frequently, and as mentioned above Schubert actually employs an augmented unison on occasion!
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
The treatment of tied notes is interesting. NWC insists that the incorrect notation is necessary (although it prints it correctly). The notationally correct notation of course is incorrect inside NWC and results in hanging notes!
Tied notes over a bar-line does should not have an accidental, but the first subsequent free note at that pitch does need its own specific accidental.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
NW's explanations are not helpful because they are trying to explain incorrect behaviour.
If you want an example which is ludicrously wrong then look at this:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:n-6,#1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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General Discussion / Re: tying chords
Not quite! It stops when a MIDI note event happens at the same pitch (MIDI Note number) on the same channel.
So a Db can cancel a C#. And that could be on a separate staff assigned to the same channel.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)As notated without the natural sign the playback is simply incorrect.
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:#1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Half|Pos2:n1
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:n1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Half|Pos2:#1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
(BTW if the notational behaviour is what you'd expect then toggling the sharp key (9) on the chord ought to toggle each note independently, but in fact it makes them both natural.)
For an invaluable reference do get a copy of Alfred's Essential Dictionary of Music Notation ($9.95) which includes a comprehensive discussion of the application of accidentals. although interestingly it is silent on the correct treatment of the minor second chord we are discussing. In a Schubert piece ABRSM prints it as separated notes each with its own accidental. Certainly the second chord in my example could be construed as an old fashioned cancelled double sharp.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
But not, apparently, when it's supposed to be the same note.
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)I would expect that a note added to a chord should pick up any accidentals already there.
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Half|Pos2:#1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
I'm sorry to harp on about a notator that does not play back correctly what is written correctly: it has to be a definite minus point. And I'd have thought that a major revision such as NWC2 would have sorted this out.
Let's just hope that at present means just that, and that the near future holds something better
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: live scrolling
I'm not sure how you would use vertical scrolling to alter playback position! ;-)
It is after all quite trivial to click once with the mouse button
I was talking about the viewer. You can click it as much as you want, you won't achieve anything.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
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General Discussion / Re: Possible bug report - hanging tie from accidental?
Why can't NWC do accidentals properly? ;-)
The easiest work round is to tie an invisible grace note with the right accidental to the offending note. Or, indeed as suggested, to insert a courtesy accidental.
Although all the variations of staff are permissible, I would suggest that the plural is almost always staves. There's not much to choose between the singular versions but staff is my preference.
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General Discussion / Re: tying chords
Just a small correction to that, and to belabour a glaring and oft commented on fault in NWC,
until it hits a note at the same staff position.
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: individual note attributes
For better or worse, we are what we are on the forum. Geoff, would you really tell (say) a French speaker whose grasp of English is not perfect to go to a translation agency?
I must admit that there are indeed times when I say "Why can't NWC do ...?" and feel quite frustrated that a simple feature is still missing.
Why can't NWC do 8va?
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: live scrolling
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: Volume Mixer
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: individual note attributes
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: empty and duplicate staff names
There was a work round before staff labels were invented - pad the names with hard spaces; but that is no longer necessary.
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: possiblilty to insert a clef inside a tuplet
PS Neither can you beam notes across a clef.
PPS The clef should be smaller too.
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General Discussion / Re: feature request: 'small clef' option
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General Discussion / Re: Subtitles
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General Discussion / Re: Subtitles
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General Discussion / Re: Courtesy Ledger Lines
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General Discussion / Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..?
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General Discussion / Re: Multiple measures of rest
Suppressible works on a full score on a system by system basis. The stave is only suppressed when the instrument is silent. Look at an orchestral score where the number of staves varies continually system by system depending on which instruments are playing.
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General Discussion / Re: Multiple measures of rest
So to restate my reply #7, as modified by #11. A bar-line should have two extra properties. Suppressible and Collapsible.
If all the bar-lines on a stave on any particular system are suppressible then the stave should be suppressed regardless of what notes etc are actually on it.
If a bar-line is collapsible then the subsequent bar(s) can be amalgamated with the previous bar and a multi-bar rest inserted. Again regardless of what is actually in the bars - that is up to the user to sort out.
The two attributes are used in different circumstances. The collapsible is where you are printing out a subset of the full score. Suppressible where you don't want all the instruments all the time in the full score. Although, to be fair, there is considerable potential for overlap.
The difference is that bar-lines with rehearsal marks and bars with tempo changes and pauses still need to be printed out in a single part, but should be suppressed when there are other staves already visible.
So not difficult to implement but, with care, fully effective.
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General Discussion / Re: Creative SB Live! External MIDI to Record?
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General Discussion / Re: Is there a way to force the number of bars per line ? And...
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General Discussion / Re: Muting a staff
So for the first verse: switch the special endings (the real first time bar will never actually happen) and then turn the real second time bar into a local repeat bar with a repeat count of 28 (the skipped first time bar plus 27 bars of the tune). You should hide the local repeat bar lines. So this verse plays and then seems to stand still as the second verse plays.
For the second verse: construct the first bar in the same way as the last bar in the first verse. Again swap the special endings. This verse will seem to stand still for the first verse and then miraculously spring into life.
To get the page to look right you'll need to layer a conductor track as the top staff with the special endings the right way round!
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General Discussion / Re: Number shortcuts to toggle accidentals
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General Discussion / Re: Cnage from Treble to Bass staff
In general Tenors sing from the treble clef (unless sharing a staff with the basses) but the notes sound an octave down. You will often see a little 8 appended to the bottom of the clef sign to signify this. Since the Tenor range is typically A below to A above the treble clef, using it is quite appropriate.
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General Discussion / Re: Paper format in *.EMF copy
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General Discussion / Re: Cnage from Treble to Bass staff
Now it is up to you to work out why it is not an octave too low.
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General Discussion / Re: Cnage from Treble to Bass staff
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General Discussion / Re: Cnage from Treble to Bass staff
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General Discussion / Re: Record MIDI Keyboard
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General Discussion / Re: Cnage from Treble to Bass staff
Essentially you are moving a C written on the treble clef to a middle C above the bass clef etc.
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General Discussion / Re: Transpose Staff dynamically
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