False acciaccatura

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False acciaccatura

2013-02-23 05:52 pm

There is a way to make this one:

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2|Opts:Muted
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

looking as is, but sounding as

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Visibility:Never
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Without using layering, I mean... (Too easy otherwise ;-)

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #1 – 2013-02-23 06:17 pm

Bit of a cheat - but that's what you were expecting wasn't it?

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Muted
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=2000|Dur2:4th|Pos2:2
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,XNoteSpace=1,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=-2000|Dur2:4th|Pos2:1z|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #2 – 2013-02-23 08:38 pm

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]

!NoteWorthyComposer(2.5)
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar|Style:LocalRepeatClose|Repeat:4
!NoteWorthyComposer-End

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #3 – 2013-02-24 05:53 am

Quote from: Richard Woodroffe – 2013-02-23 06:17 pm

Bit of a cheat

?? there hasn't been a need to use VertOffset=-2000 for a year or so.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #4 – 2013-02-24 07:46 am

Quote from: Rick G. – 2013-02-24 05:53 am

?? there hasn't been a need to use VertOffset=-2000 for a year or so.

I know, but I prefer it. I like it to look clean in the editor as well as in viewer mode. I'm not very keen on rest chords where the rest is a shady invisible.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #5 – 2013-02-24 09:38 am

Quote

but that's what you were expecting wasn't it?

Of course! :-)

Rich, your trick makes the first note sounding for too long and clashing with the following one.

Rick trick is perfect.

Thank you both.

N.B. Like Rick, I was surprised to see VertOffset=-2000 again.

Just in case someone needs it: I remembered that figure is called "appoggiatura".

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #6 – 2013-02-24 01:09 pm

I recently had 16^th triplets with the violin rolling on three strings. When one of these sets included a fingered A on the D string as well as an open A string, I layered the 2^nd note with a stem in the other direction. Not wanting to show the 3 more than once, I had to send one of the hidden rests to the boondocks.

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"4"|Font:PageText|Pos:-8|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"3"|Font:PageText|Pos:13|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Text|Text:"4"|Font:PageText|Pos:13|Placement:AtNextNote
|Rest|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Visibility:Never
|Text|Text:"O"|Font:PageText|Pos:13|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End,Staccato|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Staccato,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Rest|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Opts:VertOffset=-1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

And on the layered staff:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Rest|Dur:Half,Dotted|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:16th,Triplet=First|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-180|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Rest|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:16th,Triplet=First|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-180|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Rest|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #7 – 2013-02-24 03:29 pm

Quote from: Flurmy – 2013-02-24 09:38 am

Rick trick is perfect.

Not much of a trick. Grace notes steal a 32^nd, so if you want to steal an 8^th, you need 4 of them.

Quote from: Warren Porter – 2013-02-24 01:09 pm

I had to send one of the hidden rests to the boondocks.

A bit off-topic. I'd just do this:

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Slur|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|RestChord|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:16th,Slur|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End,Staccato|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=First,Staccato,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|RestChord|Dur:16th,Triplet,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:16th,Slur|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Triplet=End|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #8 – 2013-02-24 06:27 pm

Quote

Grace notes steal a 32nd, so if you want to steal an 8th, you need 4 of them.

Yes, I figured it out and, being lazy, I'm writing a user tool to do the job for me... ;-)

Very nice alternative solution to Warren's problem, too.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #9 – 2013-02-24 11:07 pm

Quote from: Rick G. – 2013-02-24 03:29 pm

I'd just do this:

Many thanks, I was making a mountain out of a molehill--don't need the extra staff anymore.

Re: Simulating long appoggiatura

Reply #10 – 2013-02-26 04:38 am

This topic really deals with simulating long appoggiatura, so I have retitled it accordingly.
Those interested in appoggiatura, long, short, and a fair bit of controversy may be interested in these links:
Harvard Dictionary of Music
appoggiatura
The appoggiatura (1.38MB pdf)
LilyPond Music Glossary
How to recognize an appogiatura
How to recognize a double appogiatura
How-to-Execute-Mordents-Trills-and-Appoggiaturas
Appoggiatura - Piano Ornament
The Short Appoggiatura in the 19th century
The Appoggiatura
Bach Music Manuscript Notation

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #11 – 2014-03-28 08:53 pm

Now it's logical.
Thanks for the info.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #12 – 2014-03-29 07:09 am

Quote from: Flurmy – 2014-03-28 08:53 pm

Thanks for the info.

You are welcome.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #13 – 2014-04-05 04:16 pm

Oh, no!
Rick, only now I fully realized what you wrote!

It means that this trick doesn't work anymore:

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!NoteWorthyComposer(2.51)
|Locale|ACP:1252
|Editor|ActiveStaff:2|CaretIndex:1|CaretPos:0
|SongInfo|Title:""|Author:""|Lyricist:""|Copyright1:""|Copyright2:""
|PgSetup|StaffSize:16|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|PrintSystemSepMark:N|ExtendLastSystem:N|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:1|StaffLabels:None|BarNumbers:Plain|StartingBar:1
|Font|Style:StaffItalic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffBold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffLyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:7|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageTitleText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageSmallText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User1|Typeface:"MusikDingsSans"|Size:16|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User2|Typeface:"MusikTextEuroSans"|Size:10|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User3|Typeface:"MusikTextEuroSans"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User4|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User5|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.27|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Right hand"|Label:"Harp"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:13|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Brace,ConnectBars|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Name:"Harp"|Patch:46|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Dynamic|Style:f|Pos:-8|Visibility:Never
|Tempo|Tempo:63|Pos:14|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-2,0,5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:1,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|TempoVariance|Style:Ritenuto|Pos:13
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:2,7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:1,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:0,5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-1,4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-2,3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-9|Placement:BestFitForward
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-3|Wide:Y|Justify:Right
|Spacer|Width:50
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:4|Pos:11|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Tempo|Tempo:40|Pos:17|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4,-2,1,3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Tempo|Tempo:63|Pos:14|Visibility:Never
|Text|Text:"a tempo"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:19
|Dynamic|Style:mf|Pos:-11
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-3,4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-2,5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1,6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Bar|Style:SectionClose|SysBreak:Y
|AddStaff|Name:"Left hand"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Brace,ConnectBars|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:2
|StaffInstrument|Name:"Harp"|Patch:46|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Dynamic|Style:mp|Pos:-8|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-2|Wide:Y|Justify:Right
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0,2,5|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-4
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:2,5,7|Opts:Stem=Up
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:7|Placement:BestFitForward
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-1|Wide:Y|Justify:Right
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:5^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:7^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:14|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:3,5,7|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
|Bar|Style:SectionClose
!NoteWorthyComposer-End

Grrrrr....

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #14 – 2014-04-05 08:31 pm

This seems to be a way of doing it now. Not very elegant but it works. (Haven't sorted out the positioning of the symbol.)

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]

!NoteWorthyComposer(2.51)
|Locale|ACP:1252
|Editor|ActiveStaff:2|CaretIndex:1|CaretPos:-1
|SongInfo|Title:""|Author:""|Lyricist:""|Copyright1:""|Copyright2:""
|PgSetup|StaffSize:16|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|PrintSystemSepMark:N|ExtendLastSystem:N|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:1|StaffLabels:None|BarNumbers:Plain|StartingBar:1
|Font|Style:StaffItalic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffBold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffLyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:7|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageTitleText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
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|Font|Style:User5|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.27|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Right hand"|Label:"Harp"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:13|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Brace,ConnectBars|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Name:"Harp"|Patch:46|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Dynamic|Style:f|Pos:-8|Visibility:Never
|Tempo|Tempo:63|Pos:14|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-2,0,5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:1,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|TempoVariance|Style:Ritenuto|Pos:13
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:2,7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:1,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:0,5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-1,4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-2,3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:16th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
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|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-3|Wide:Y|Justify:Right
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|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-5^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-5^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-5^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-5|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:4|Pos:11|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Tempo|Tempo:40|Pos:17|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4,-2,1,3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Tempo|Tempo:63|Pos:14|Visibility:Never
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|Dynamic|Style:mf|Pos:-11
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|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-2,5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1,6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Bar|Style:SectionClose|SysBreak:Y
|AddStaff|Name:"Left hand"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Brace,ConnectBars|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:2
|StaffInstrument|Name:"Harp"|Patch:46|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Dynamic|Style:mp|Pos:-8|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-2|Wide:Y|Justify:Right
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0,2,5|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-4
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:2,5,7|Opts:Stem=Up
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:7|Placement:BestFitForward
|Text|Text:"c"|Font:User1|Pos:-1|Wide:Y|Justify:Right
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:5^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:7^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-2^|Opts:Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-2^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-2^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-2|Visibility:Never
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:14|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:3,5,7|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
|Bar|Style:SectionClose
!NoteWorthyComposer-End

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #15 – 2014-04-05 09:03 pm

Glad there is a workaround.
I'm still wondering why now the grace rest... don't rest.
And I'm thinking about the legacy, i.e. my old scores, in special mode the ones for harp...
Thank you, Rich.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #16 – 2014-04-05 10:23 pm

Quote from: Flurmy – 2014-04-05 09:03 pm

Glad there is a workaround.

I like this:

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.51,Single)
|Note|Dur:Whole,Grace|Pos:-5x^|Opts:Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Whole,Grace|Pos:-5y^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Whole,Grace|Pos:-5y|Visibility:Never
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It is a drop-in for 2 grace rests from the older versions.
For 1 grace rest, delete the center item. For more grace rest equivalents, dup the center item as many times as needed.
The X head implies (to me) that it is muted. The non-pitched heads have less visual impact in the editor.

Attached is the penultimate measure from Scriabin's Opus 69, No. 1
In the first instance I get the visuals right. In the second, I drop in the delays to fix playback. The lower staff is red so I can see what each staff is contributing to the crossbeam.

Quote from: Flurmy – 2014-04-05 09:03 pm

I'm still wondering why now the grace rest... don't rest.

Not my idea. I advised against it:

Quote from: Rick G. – 2007-10-10 12:24 pm

I can't see a downside to this change as a muted grace rest could be used to simulate NWC's current playback behaviour.

Re: False acciaccatura

Reply #17 – 2014-04-06 09:25 am

Rick, I envy your memory... :-)

Re: NWC 2.51 change to grace rest playback

Reply #18 – 2014-04-06 06:05 pm

Quote from: Flurmy – 2014-04-06 09:25 am

Rick, I envy your memory...

You shouldn't. All I remembered was to search for "muted" and check Options: 'Search in topic subjects only'. It is a short list.

Quote from: Flurmy – 2014-04-05 09:03 pm

I'm thinking about the legacy, i.e. my old scores

The change only affects Rest Grace items with Visibility set to 'Never'.

You can change Visibility to 'Single Staff Prints' or 'Multi Staff Prints'. One of these will cause the items to be hidden.

Or you can forswear Rest Grace items with Visibility set to 'Never' until this useless (but arguably consistent) behavior is changed.

I plan to replace hidden grace rests with hidden grace notes (per my earlier reply) in my work going forward and as needed in existing work.