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Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

I already knew the answer, but thought I'd see if Windows Copilot could get me to the same place.  It did!

My rather poorly worded  question: 
To transpose a D-flat instrumental part to concert pitch (for a C instrument), what command is needed in Noteworthy Composer?

Copilot's answer:
To transpose a D-flat instrumental part to concert pitch for a C instrument in Noteworthy Composer, you can use the Transpose Staff command. Here’s how you can do it:
Select the Staff: Click on the staff you want to transpose.
Open the Transpose Staff Command: Go to Tools > Transpose Staff.
Set the Number of Semitones: Since D-flat is one semitone below C, you need to transpose the staff up by 1 semitone.
Update Staff Playback: Make sure to check the Update staff playback option if you want the playback to reflect the transposition.
This will transpose your D-flat part to concert pitch for a C instrument.
Noteworthy Composer Transpose Staff Command : Transposing a staff in Noteworthy Composer
If you have any other questions or need further assistance, feel free to ask!

While I have learned from experience that Copilot cannot be trusted to give right or accurate information, here it did.

NEXT DAY FOLLOWUP
It took 3 tries for Copilot to get a transposition from Eb Clarinet to Bb Clarinet right this morning, so I suggest using Copilot carefully; always check to see if its advice is good.

Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

Reply #1 –
Copilot has been removed from my system, and will remain so :(
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Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

Reply #2 –
Is CoPilot really saying:
Since D-flat is one semitone below C
  :o

Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

Reply #3 –
Below, above, it's all the same, isn't it? :)

Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

Reply #4 –
Regardless of its lousy wording,  Copilot was telling me the Db part was written half a tone below a C part.
I read
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Since D-flat is one semitone below C, you need to transpose the staff up by 1 semitone.
as
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Since a D-flat part is one semitone below a C part, you need to transpose the Db instrument up a 1 semitone for a C instrument.

So that's what I did.  The Db Picc in G major needed to become C Picc in Ab major.  The result jibed with a C Flute part someone manually transposed in the distant past.  The key signature also matched the bass clef parts.

I played this piece on 3rd clarinet in concert around 60 years ago, when I had only been playing maybe a year.   The 2nd and 3rd parts shared a march size page and lots of the notes were above the staff, then around the upper end of my range.  A few notes went into the altissimo. .  This was my first ever concert, I think we filled our 500 or 700 seat theatre.  I was terrified.   It's funny, that was our junior band; the senior bandleader was my clarinet teacher.  He's still alive and will be 104 this month.

I recently found a full set of PDF parts and thought I'd like to hear how the music sounds with a more experienced band.  One of my current bandleaders agreed to take it on if I print it all out.   The instrumentation is from the turn of the century, so some parts need to be transposed for modern band instruments.  I'm too cheap to buy the commercial arrangements that are available; I suspect they've been dumbed down a little.

Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

Reply #5 –
I needed to transpose a lot of chords in concert pitch for tranposing instrument parts.  They were all in Lyric 1 of the top staff. 

Rather than tranposing them manually I had GhatGTP do the work. :
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Transpose these chord symbols up 2 semitones 
D
F
C
G7
C
C7
F7
C
C7
F7
G7(b3)
G11
C
C7
F7
C
C7
F7
G7(b3)
G11
C
C7
F7
C
C7
F7
G7(b3)
G11
C
C7
F7
C
C7
F7
G7(b3)
C
F
C
G7
C
transpose the chord symbols for me. 

 and

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Transpose the same chords 9 semitones

The AI did the job very quickly and accurately.  Then I just had to copy the results in the Lyric 1s of each transposing intrument part.  Knowing how slowly I'd do this manually, I figure AI saved me about an hour's work.

Re: Windows Copilot may help faster than searcing the forums for help .

Reply #6 –
I have very, very often to shift parts for transposing instruments. Whole parts, not just chords.
If you use the ChordPlay plugin, the chords are automatically transposed too.

My old solution: I wrote the chords as text.
With the embedded user tool, ChordPlay can convert the chords in the text to ChordPlay objects, so you get the previous case.

Often I use a staff that contains only the chords (together, of course with many invisible items, usually bars and rests) layered on the staff that needs the chords.
To create this staff you can use pe_EmptyBars.vbs or AddEmptyStaff.js and then add the ChordPlay objects.

Bad practice to use the lyrics for chords.
Yes, you can easily copy them on a different staff, but then you have to set "lyrics=never" in a lot of notes, I suppose, not to mention that those staves can not have lyrics...  :D

And all without AI! :-D

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Reply #7 –
I would agree that objects like ChordPlay and GuitarChord have certain advantages over using lyrics for chords, but there is something attractive about entering chords as lyrics. One advantage is that they can be entered quickly and easily copied/pasted in bulk. They could be put on a separate layered staff with hidden rests (or stemless mute blank noteheads :-) ). And a user tool could probably be written that converts the lyrics into ChordPlay objects.

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Reply #8 –
Quote from: Mike Shawaluk –
They could be put on a separate layered staff with hidden rests (or stemless mute blank noteheads :-) ).
So do ChordPlay and GuitarChord.  :)
Quote from: Mike Shawaluk –
And a user tool could probably be written that converts the lyrics into ChordPlay objects.
Probably, but at least three times I deemed it too hard for me.  :-[
Anyone wants to try?
 

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Reply #9 –
Two words: Layered staves...

Create the chords once, move the staff that contains them to just below the staff requiring them and and layer.

Need 'em on another staff, move the chord staff below that one and layer...

I also use this for lyrics - quite often I have lyrics AND chords on one staff and layer as necessary.

If you need different lyrics on different staves (E.G. SATB scores where they don't all sing the same thing) then set up the lyrics as needed and use a separate, layered staff for the chords.

FWIW I tried using lyric lines for chords and found it was more trouble than it was worth.  IMHO
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