Extending the special ending sign 2009-09-12 09:51 am Hi!I've got a question.If I use a special ending, only the first measure will be marked with that sign.Is there a way I can mark multiple measures with that sign?I.e.: I have this:<Image Link>I want this:<Image Link> Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #1 – 2009-09-12 12:21 pm Controlling the length may be possible: https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=2425.0But AFAIK inserting a line at the end is impossible. If you do really want, insert text. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #2 – 2009-09-12 12:44 pm G'day Edwinus,welcome to the forum.NWC doesn't do this natively, but there is a workaround that can be effective.It involves using text entries and one of my fonts.If you check out this sample chart you'll see an example:http://zoundz.pardyline.com.au/SupportFiles/Fonts/MusikDingsSerif-SampleChart.pdfThe necessary font is the *Text font from the suite - E.G. the example is using the MusikTextSerif.ttf from the MusikDingsSerif suite to create the line characters required.The attachment has the necessary entries, but you'll need to install the MusikDingsSerif suite to see it work correctly. See this post for font availability:https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=6574.msg44897#msg44897I notice that while I've been writing this reply Sesirine has referenced an alternative method. My suggestion gives a little more control with no need for layering staves. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #3 – 2009-09-12 05:44 pm Srine. E's solution works fine for me.Thanks a lot! Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #4 – 2009-09-13 12:17 am Just checked out Ertugrul's tip, which was written back in the NWC1 days. You don't need to insert a time signature in the second staff endings, just make sure you remove the bar lines between the place you want the ending to start and end.This makes it much easier. Just copy all of the first staff, with the special endings already entered, into the new second staff. Highlight all the contents of the new staff, set them to mute and visibility=never, then remove the hidden bar lines in the special endings. Make the special endings in the bottom staff visible. Allow layering. It works. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #5 – 2009-09-20 11:40 am Another answer: you must download this file and you can insert a line at the end of the special ending. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #6 – 2009-09-20 12:08 pm Interesting solution - I wonder if Eric might modify the Special Ending dialogue to allow this from within NWC instead of needing to use a text editor... It would also need to eliminate the slight gap that exists. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #7 – 2009-09-21 01:00 pm Quote from: Srine. E – 2009-09-20 11:40 amAnother answer: you must download <snip> and you can insert a line at the end of the special ending.Good find. I don't know how you produced the empty Special Ending, but it could have many uses. In combination with text it will let you eliminate the final confusing D. or insert to next strain.Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-20 12:08 pmInteresting solution - I wonder if Eric might modify the Special Ending dialogue to allow this from within NWC instead of needing to use a text editor... I don't think that you can produce it with a text editor. It seems to be something that copies, saves and loads using NWC2's binary format, but not its text format. It you export to nwctxt, import fails.Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-20 12:08 pmIt would also need to eliminate the slight gap that exists. Not really, the gap only exists in the editor. It does take up space on the printed page. That should be addressed if it is to be kept. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #8 – 2009-09-21 01:12 pm Quote from: Rick G. – 2009-09-21 01:00 pmI don't think that you can produce it with a text editor. It seems to be something that copies, saves and loads using NWC2's binary format, but not its text format. It you export to nwctxt, import fails.I was referring to clip text, not .nwctxt. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #9 – 2009-09-21 01:21 pm Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-21 01:12 pmI was referring to clip text, not .nwctxt.I'm refering to both. If I copy the object from the file in the initial post, I get:Quote|Ending|Endings:|Color:0|Visibility:DefaultThat won't paste properly. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #10 – 2009-09-21 01:37 pm OK, now I'm confused - I could'a sworn I successfully pasted the clip text last night: Ending|Endings:but you're correct, it doesn't paste correctly... So, I'll bite - how did Sesirine create it in the first place? Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #11 – 2009-09-21 02:11 pm Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-21 01:37 pmSo, I'll bite - how did Sesirine create it in the first place?Dunno. This produces a logical, but unexpected result:Quote!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)|Ending|Endings:8 !NoteWorthyComposerClip-End Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #12 – 2009-09-22 07:41 am Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-21 01:37 pmSo, I'll bite - how did Sesirine create it in the first place?To be honest, I made a file corrupted. Strange things happened, and "Empty special ending" is one of them. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #13 – 2009-09-23 06:18 am Thanks for this reply, Seserine - I've been scratching my head and experimenting and trying to figure out how you did it, without any success. It's comforting, in an odd way, to know it was just a happy accident. The question we now need to address to Eric is: since this is potentially so useful, can we have it on purpose instead of by cutting and pasting part of a corrupted file?Cheers,Bill Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #14 – 2009-09-24 03:59 pm Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-20 12:08 pmInteresting solution - I wonder if Eric might modify the Special Ending dialogue to allow this from within NWCOught to be fairly easy. Currently, if you do not select anything, NWC objects. If the objection is removed, the object in Seserine's file could be inserted. IMO, on playback, it should be ignored.Edit: Currently, any "hacked" Special Endings are converted to Text by User Tools. Quote Selected Last Edit: 2009-09-25 05:42 pm by Rick G.
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #15 – 2009-09-24 10:38 pm In the end, this would still end up as a workaround. It would be better by far to be able to have the special ending object extend across multiple bars and then terminate with an appripriate vertical line.Perhaps part of the SE definition could define the number of bars within the SE... Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #16 – 2009-09-24 11:05 pm Of course, you're right, Lawrie. In the meantime, though, I'll take the empty special ending, which - as Rick suggests - shouldn't be at all hard to implement. Quote Selected
Re: Extending the special ending sign Reply #17 – 2009-09-25 12:38 am Quote from: Lawrie Pardy – 2009-09-24 10:38 pmPerhaps part of the SE definition could define the number of bars within the SE...I think not. If a SE is to be terminated early, an empty, hidden SE should suffice, much like a hairpin is stopped by a Dynamic (or Dynamic Variance). This would allow it to end mid-measure, which is sometimes needed. Otherwise it should contine until it encounters a Master Repeat Close, a Section Close or the end of the piece in which case it should terminate with an appropriate vertical line on the thin line of the Master Repeat Close, Section Close or at the end of the Staff.It also needs |Text: and Pos:, working the same as as the Instrument object uses |Name: and Pos:For example, in this SE: |Ending|Endings:2,D the Default Text would be: "|2.D."If the user specified Text that did not begin with "|", a Special Ending would be drawn without an opening vertical line. If Pos: is above the staff, the vertical lines should begin just above the top staff line and contine upwards to form a corner.In an ideal world, NWC2 should be able to determine Pos: in the same way that it determines the height of an upwards slur, but I digress... Quote Selected
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