32th to look like halfs

2004-02-06 10:29 pm

This often can be found at scores of piano reduction to an orchestra ...

I have two 32th notes which keep repeating for 2 quarters.
now, instead of writing them meny times I want to be able to write them just once, with 3 beams attached between them and they will be hollow like each of them was a HALF note.

this is how it is done in professional scores.

now, How can I do that ?

THANKS

Ori

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #1 – 2004-02-07 02:43 am

Ora Itai, I believe you are asking for something called "comping slashes." Maybe another user can provide better information than I can provide.

If you wish to show notes with 3 beams, just exactly like ordinary 1/32 beamed notes, but with hollow note-heads, that cannot be done in NWC1.75.

But it is possible to place 2 ordinary half-notes, with hollow heads and no beams. You can look in the user fonts (Scriptorium) for a set of small slashes. These can be placed as a text item, across the stem of each note. The result will be two disconnected notes, each with hollow head and 3 slashes across its stem. The notes will play as half notes in MIDI, however.

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #2 – 2004-02-07 03:28 am

I don't think he's looking for comping slashes, which are much easier to solve.
It seems to me that he wants to represent the following:
In a measure of two-four time (for example), there are two half notes (yes, that's what I wrote - two half notes in a measure of two-four time) connected by a beam (What? Are you nuts? Half notes connected by a beam?) with two incomplete beams added. The result should look like two thirty-second notes that "got all broke up." It is referred to as a tremolo, and the notation he asks for is legitimate.
I have been able to reproduce the effect in NWC using text items, but I fear a written explanation may be more difficult than the notational solution. [If I could do a face-to-face, let-me-show-you-how kinda thing, it would be much simpler...]
I'm hoping that NWC v1.8 or 1.9 will have this capability, because it is a chore to do this - it took me a few days to figure out how.

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #3 – 2004-02-07 09:33 pm

C. S. thanks,

but what you offer will cause Note Worthy to give those two combined the time length of a whole ( 4 quarters) and I want them together to span for only 2 quarters.

ori

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #4 – 2010-03-08 01:50 am

With version 2.1 this is easily achieved with layering and restchords:
Staff 1 (muted):

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|RestChord|Dur:32nd|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:Half|Pos2:0
|RestChord|Dur:32nd|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:Half|Pos2:2
|Rest|Dur:16th|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|RestChord|Dur:32nd|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:Half|Pos2:1
|RestChord|Dur:32nd|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:Half|Pos2:3
|Rest|Dur:16th|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Layered with staff 2 (sounding):

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0z|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2z|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1z|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3z|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

The only downside is that the beams reach the stems. Strictly speaking the beams should be short of the stems, but I can live with this. If required some creative "digital whiteout" could be applied

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #5 – 2010-03-10 04:52 pm

To get the second restchord half note to line up visually on the proper beat with the staffs of other instruments, you need 3 staffs. Staff 1 muted with the restchord half notes followed by non-visible rests (perhaps one doble dotted 1/8 rest), and layered to that a muted staff 2, with the beamed 1/32 notes, each followed by the same non-visible rests. Then a hidden staff 3 that plays the notes.

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #6 – 2010-03-11 01:39 pm

Gennaro,

Lawrie's method does exactly as it should, provided that you click on "Viewer mode". You are quite correct about needing a third hidden staff if you only wish to show Edit Mode.

Cheers,

Bill

Re: 32th to look like halfs

Reply #7 – 2010-03-11 02:15 pm

I think that look, alignment and sound can be done on two staves, but perhaps I am missing something.
The rarer triplet tremolo needs the 3 moved. Someday NWC will realize that it gets centered on the visible beam. How hard can that be to implement?