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Or, possibly like this:

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|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|RestChord|Dur:Half|Opts:Stem=Down,HideRest|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:0^
|Spacer|Width:200
|User|Trill.test|Pos:8.5|Span:2|AuxiliaryOffset:1|LineType:Jagged
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:x-1|Opts:Stem=Down|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:200
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:0|Opts:Muted
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|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposer-End

The is one occurrence I've seen that doesn't seem to have been discussed.

Unfortunately I don't have an example to show, but imagine a semibreve with the trill symbol appearing later in the bar than the note, OR a pair of tied notes with the trill appearing over the second note OR partway along the tie.

It seems to me they all mean to hold the note steady for a while (half the duration?) indicated by the location of the trill symbol and then start trilling.

Thanks, Mike. Looks good. I haven't tested it extensively yet, but it seems trouble-free so far. I appreciate the offset ability for the end of the slur. Not so sure about the wavy line (I'd prefer thicker and a bit more angular), but I'll probably get used to it.

Well, you can probably ignore the downward trill. However, the choice of whether to start the trill on the upper note (the trill note) or the lower note (the principal note: the note that is written in the score) does need to be handleable. If the playback recognizes a grace note or acciaccatura before the trilled note, it can probably be handled that way. Better would be if the object had an option for which note to begin the trill on, and would draw the grace note or acciaccatura itself.

I am interested in playback, and I have a somewhat different set of suggestions from Rick's.

I agree with his observation that a trill over notes with a shared stem requires all notes on that stem to be trilled, but I would observe that trilling more than two notes at a time on just about any instrument is impossible, and most can only trill one note at a time (keyboards are the principal exception, although a really good string player can pull it off). I think if users want more than one note trilled simultaneously, though, they should write them on separate staves, layering if they really want the finished music to be on only one staff. If the object encounters a chord, I would lean toward having it trill just the top note and sound the others normally. Others may have a different opinion, and it might be necessary to allow a choice between top and bottom notes.

On speed, I like your idea better than Rick's. However, two questions remain: (1) whether to start the trill on the written note or the trill note, and (2) whether to trill up or down. I think these should be handled as options. Default should be to start on the written note and trill up. The method I'm familiar with to indicate starting on the trill note is to place it before the principal note as a grace note or acciaccatura. Trilling to the note below is uncommon, and I know of no standard way to indicate it, although I don't do enough performing to be sure there isn't one.

It seems that you left Span in, but it no longer has any effect.

They could be numeric and spun. Span is not needed for trills. In the absence of other instructions, trills continue for the duration of whatever you are calling the "principal note."

I concur with Rick on both counts.

"End trill" is only useful when a note is to be held beyond the length of the trill. On the rare occasions that I use it, I don't consider it part of the trill symbol, just a courtesy to the player.

I'm not sure it's necessary to include alternate means of indicating trill accidentals. I suspect players can read any of the common methods without much trouble. If someone were trying to duplicate the exact appearance of a score, he or she might need that option, but that's really not what NWC is about. I did notice in Rick's examples, however, a cross between placing an accidental between the "tr" and the wavy line and placing it above the beginning of the line: in Topic 9201 rg02, the accidental is between the two parts of the symbol but is elevated in the manner of a superscript. Not sure I like it, but it is another possibility to choose from. Here is yet another:

tr(#)~~~~~

OK, I'll shut up now....

To that end, I have attached snippets of my wife's flute/piccolo music for her next concert.

Mike, have you given any thought to making a "trill" object? It seems as though it could just be a specialized tremolo object with a different symbol and with the tremolo limited to a half- or whole-step.

When I create a new song in NWC, the first 4 staves always has a piano sound, but when I add more staves, these staves sounds as 'ping' when I add notes to that stave. Even when changing the instrument to another, it is sounds unchanged. Also when saved to nwctxt, that file does not contain instrument names.

I'm now working on a song with in one staff many long ooh's and aah's, ending in a single whole note, with in another staff many syllabs and eight notes per measure.
So I have one small change request for the melismatic object: is it possible to extend the extender line so it spans right until just before the next note/chord/rest or bar, like a crescendo or decrescendo?

Thanks

For my part, I have downloaded Windows 10 but I have no intention in activating the install until at least I hear how it has gone for others. I certainly do not wish to be a trail blazer or to sit on the bleeding edge.

The problem with locking topics is that they cannot be quoted.

The problem with locking topics is that they cannot be quoted.

I'm surprised the Noteworthy hasn't put together a batch converter.

I have something that can add "default" spacers, then add or subtract from them as needed--this was written to help properly space out the last few lines. Try this earlier thread.

Mike.
I first also thought on font sets, but in the past I downloaded some files from the scriptorium - and not having installed the right font - they looked awful, This reduces their "reachability" and that's why I find the font set solution a less optimal solution.

I saw your user object for slurs - very impressive and most of all very useful - and because I spended (so much) time in reverse engineering your script, I was wondering if rhythm indications could also be created as user objects. I found a slur object defined in the API, but I wasn't sure if these kind of "custom objects" would be available (or composable).