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Special Endings with Lyrics

Need some help here ...

   ...  A song -- with two verses of lyrics.
   ...  A Master Repeat -- with a first ending and a second ending.

The notes follow the repeat, no problem.  The lyrics don't.

Here's the clip:

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.0)
|SongInfo|Title:"Lyrics Test"|Author:"Joe"|Lyricist:""|Copyright1:""|Copyright2:""
|PgSetup|StaffSize:16|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|ExtendLastSystem:N|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:0|StaffLabels:None|BarNumbers:None|StartingBar:1
|Font|Style:Staff Italic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Staff Bold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Staff Lyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:7|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Page Title Text|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Page Text|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Page Small Text|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 1|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 2|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 3|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 4|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 5|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.27|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:12|BoundaryBottom:24|Lines:5|Style:Standard|Layer:N|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:0
|Lyric1|Text:"Now\r\nHere is the first verse.\r\n"
|Lyric2|Text:"Here\'s the sec-ond verse.\r\n"
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Tempo|Tempo:100|Pos:8
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-2
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:1
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-2
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
|Ending|Endings:2
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-6
|Rest|Dur:4th
!NoteWorthyComposer-End

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What am I missing?  Many thanks for the help,

Joe


Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #1 –
Lyric 2 should be:
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_ Here's the sec-ond _ verse.
Registered user since 1996

Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Rick G. –
Lyric 2 should be:

Hi Rick,

Thank you for the speedy response.

Yes, I know I can pad the lyrics with underscores -- that's what I've been doing with 'real' scores.

I'm wondering if there's another solution inside the editor besides padding the lyric text with underscores.  In the real world, shouldn't the lyrics simply work with repeats, as the notes do?

If underscores are a workaround for an issue that is going to be fixed someday, then 'old' scores with padding might not track in that next release.

Any more insights?

Joe

Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #3 –
Quote from: Joseph Roberts –
Any more insights?
I have many issues with how NWC handles lyrics. How it associates a syllable with a note isn't one of them. I don't consider an underscore a workaround.
Registered user since 1996

Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #4 –
Well Joe,

I'm with Rick on this one. Underscores always have been the way to go and I don't regard them as a workaround either.

But you asked :

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I'm wondering if there's another solution inside the editor besides padding the lyric text with underscores.

Well, Yes, there is - But I wouldn't use it for this. Far easier to use an underscore and I don't see that changing.
But since you ask, here is an alternative to the underscore. Good luck with it if you use it, I wouldn't.
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.0)
|SongInfo|Title:"Lyrics Test"|Author:"Joe"|Lyricist:""|Copyright1:""|Copyright2:""
|PgSetup|StaffSize:16|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|ExtendLastSystem:N|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:0|StaffLabels:None|BarNumbers:None|StartingBar:1
|Font|Style:Staff Italic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Staff Bold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Staff Lyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:7|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Page Title Text|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Page Text|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:Page Small Text|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 1|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 2|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 3|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 4|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 5|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User 6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.27|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:12|BoundaryBottom:24|Lines:5|Style:Standard|Layer:Y|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:0
|Lyric1|Text:"Now\r\nHere is the first verse.\r\n"
|Lyric2|Text:"\r\n"
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Tempo|Tempo:100|Pos:8
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-2
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Text|Text:" "|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:0|Wide:Y
|Ending|Endings:1
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-2
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
|Text|Text:" "|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:0|Wide:Y
|Ending|Endings:2
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-6
|Rest|Dur:4th
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff-1"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:12|BoundaryBottom:24|Lines:5|Style:Standard|Layer:N|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:Y|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:2
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:-6
|Lyric1|Text:"\r\n"
|Lyric2|Text:"Here\'s the sec-ond verse.\r\n"
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Tempo|Tempo:100|Pos:8
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-2|Opts:Lyric=Never
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:1
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-2|Opts:Lyric=Never
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
|Ending|Endings:2
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-6
|Rest|Dur:4th
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
Rich.

Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #5 –
Slightly off topic, but when I selected Richard's clip and pasted it "as a new file" into NWC 2.5 Beta Preview 6, all I got was this
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!NoteWorthyComposer(2.0)
appearing as a text entry whose properties are

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|Text|Text:"!NoteWorthyComposer(2.0)"|Font:StaffBold|Pos:8|Wide:Y|Justify:Left|Placement:BestFit|Color:0|Visibility:Default.

This isn't the first time it's happened.  Is anyone else experiencing this, and does anyone have any clues as to how to get the copied clip to paste as a clip?

Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #6 –
Quote from: David Palmquist –
Is anyone else experiencing this, and does anyone have any clues as to how to get the copied clip to paste as a clip?

That's because it's an nwctxt file rather than a clip.

What you have to to is click download and then just select open rather than save.  As long as it's a version 2 nwctxt it will open in nwc.
If it's 2.5, it won't open unless version 2.5 is already open.

You can tell the difference between the clip and the file since clip always has the word "clip" in the first line. Nwctxt doesn't.

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!NoteWorthyComposer(2.0)
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
Rich.

Re: Special Endings with Lyrics

Reply #8 –
Quote from: Richard Woodroffe –
Well Joe,

I'm with Rick on this one. Underscores always have been the way to go and I don't regard them as a workaround either.

No problem, I've been using underscores steadily and happily.  Was just curious as to whether there's an alternative way that's built into the notes flow.

Underscores make perfect sense for padding lyric syllables in some cases, for example:

   ...  A series of notes.  Two verses of lyrics.
   ...  One verse's lyrics sing the series of notes on separate syllables.
   ...  The other verse's lyrics carry a single syllable across several of the notes.
   ...  There are no slurs.

Underscore padding seems straightforward and logical there.

But it would seem to be a different matter altogether where:

   ...  A "Master Repeat" ends the note flow of "verse one" in playback and sends the note flow back to a point in the score where "verse two" starts. 

There the notes follow the Repeat instruction perfectly, but the lyrics don't. 

It would seem to make logical sense to begin the "verse two" lyrics at that same point in the score, together with the notes:

   ...  rather than at some other point in the score which has nothing to do with the "Master Repeat" flow,

   ...  and having to pad lyrics with underscores to get them back in 'sync' with the notes.


Just two cents' worth of observation.

Again, it works and isn't hard to implement (regardless of the logic) and that's what counts. 

Also there's a case to be made for not changing anything now in that area, as it might really confound lyrics flow when playing back older scores.

Many thanks again for the replies and insights.  Cheers,

Joe