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tie in syllables
I want to create a tie in the lyrics of my song.
People should sing two syllables onto one music note, so I think to tie both syllables as lyrics for one note.
Is that possible? How to do that?

Regards,
Guido

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #1
Use an underscore "_" between the syllables NB no spaces:
syl_la_ble
I plays 'Bones, crumpets, coronets, floosgals 'n youfonymums - gonna lern tubies next

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #2
You can also try tricks with invisible rests and a rest chord, as in this ground-breaking composition of mine:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:2/2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Slur=Downward,Lyric=Always,VertOffset=-4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Lyric=Always,VertOffset=-4|Visibility:Never
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,Lyric=Always,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:Half|Pos2:1
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Lyric=Always,VertOffset=-4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Marker|Pos:3|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Lyric=Always,VertOffset=-4|Visibility:Never
|Marker|Pos:0|Visibility:Always
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Lyric=Always,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:Half,Slur|Pos2:1
|Marker|Pos:0|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Slur=Upward,Lyric=Always,VertOffset=-4|Visibility:Never
|Marker|Pos:3|Visibility:Always
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Slur=Upward,Lyric=Always,VertOffset=-4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-6
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
(Press F11 to get an impression of what it looks like in print).

H.M.

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #3
Thanks for your reply.
This is not what I want.
In the attached example you'll see the word "kinderen". The syllables "deren" are pronounced as one syllable; which sound as "dren".
In the example both syllables are connected using a tie. Is that possible in NWC?

Regards,
Guido

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #4
In this case, I'd replace the first "e" with an apostrophe: "kin-d'ren". that's a standard way to represent an elided syllable in English. If you want the tie, though, you can do it on a different layer, using notes with blank noteheads and with stem lengths set to "0" as the anchors for the slur.

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #5
Here is a couple ideas for you:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.751)
|PgSetup|Zoom:6
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|BoundaryBottom:16
|Lyrics|Align:Standard Rules
|Lyric1|Text:"kin-deren _ kin-deren\n"
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Spacer|Width:100
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:-15z^|Opts:StemLength=0,NoLegerLines,Muted
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:-15z|Opts:StemLength=0,NoLegerLines,Muted
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:-15|Dir:Downward|EndOffsetY:15|EndOffsetX:2.2|StartOffsetX:-0.5
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:VertOffset=-13|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
Registered user since 1996

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #6
Rick,

Thanks for your reply. I used your second example.
In the attached screenshot you'll see the slur should be a little bit bold. Is that possible?
The slur is the next staff looks like fatter.

Kind regards,
Guido

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #7
In the attached screenshot you'll see the slur should be a little bit bold. Is that possible?
Not with a slur object. But now that NWC supports Unicode, you can fiddle around with a text approach:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.751)
|PgSetup|Zoom:6
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|BoundaryBottom:16
|Lyrics|Align:Standard Rules
|Lyric1|Text:"ge_uw ko-ning\n"
|Text|Text:"͜   "|Font:StaffBold|Pos:-14|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
The char is: U+035C Combining Double Breve Below, followed by three spaces.

  • Last Edit: 2018-12-24 03:11 pm by Rick G.
Registered user since 1996

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #8
In the attached screenshot you'll see the slur should be a little bit bold. Is that possible?
The slur is the next staff looks like fatter.

Kind regards,
Guido
The Slur.ms under the text is thinner because it starts on a grace note. (The code does this on purpose.)
  • Last Edit: 2018-12-24 12:04 am by Mike Shawaluk

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #9
The Slur.ms under the text is thinner because it starts on a grace note. (The code does this on purpose.)
Good to know.
However, you can perform the same thing without having to insert a grace rest, like such:
Not really. That doesn't expand well in Print Preview:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.751)
|PgSetup|Zoom:6
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|BoundaryBottom:16
|Lyrics|Align:Standard Rules
|Lyric1|Text:"kin-deren _ kin-deren\n"
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:-15|Dir:Downward|StartOffsetY:15.3|StartOffsetX:-1.3|EndOffsetY:13.4|EndOffsetX:-1.6|Strength:0.8|Balance:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:-15|Dir:Downward|EndOffsetY:15|EndOffsetX:2.2|StartOffsetX:-0.5
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:VertOffset=-13|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|RestMultiBar|NumBars:12|PrintOnce:N|WhenHidden:ShowBars,ShowRests
|Bar|SysBreak:Y
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
Registered user since 1996

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #10
Rick, your Reply #7 looks interesting and easy to use.
Attached you'll find my total song. You can find the location where I want to use the object in measure 60.
Do I have to use leading spaces before the object? Or is there another way to allocate the object?

Kind regards,
Guido

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #11
Attached you'll find my total song. You can find the location where I want to use the object in measure 60.
I don't have the fonts you are using, but with the fonts that Windows 7 substitutes for them, this looks OK to me:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.751)
|SongInfo|Author|Copyright1:"VHMP"|Copyright2:"model 20181115"
|PgSetup|StaffSize:26|NtnTypeface:NWC2HiVisLP|TitlePage:N|JustifyVertically:N|DurationPadding:N
|Font|Style:StaffItalic|Typeface:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"|Size:16.9|Bold:N|CharSet:1
|Font|Style:StaffBold|Typeface:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"|Size:13|Bold:N|CharSet:1
|Font|Style:StaffLyric|Typeface:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"|Size:26|CharSet:1
|Font|Style:PageTitleText|Typeface:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"|Size:22|Bold:N|CharSet:1
|Font|Style:PageText|Typeface:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"|Size:14|CharSet:1
|Font|Style:PageSmallText|Typeface:"Arial Rounded MT Bold"|Size:14|CharSet:1
|PgMargins|Left:0.00|Top:0.00|Right:0.25|Bottom:0.00
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Open (hidden)|BoundaryTop:14|BoundaryBottom:14
|StaffInstrument|Patch:0
|Lyrics|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:-5
|Lyric1|Text:"nu ge_uw ko-ning ziet,\n"
|RestMultiBar|NumBars:59|PrintOnce:N|WhenHidden:ShowBars,ShowRests
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1
|Text|Text:"͜   "|Font:StaffLyric|Pos:-15.5|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2|Opts:XAccSpace=2
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1
|Rest|Dur:4th
|AddStaff|Name:"Tempo Track"|Label:"Tempo Track"|Group:"Conductor"
|StaffProperties|Visible:N|BoundaryTop:14
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Rest|Dur:Whole
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
Registered user since 1996

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #12
The char is: U+03C Combining Double Breve Below
Rick, how do you select that character? When I open the char map, I don't see it.
I think my question is now solved. For the time being (till I know how to select the right character) I am using your code with cut and paste.
The right position of the character is when I do not use the trailing spaces.

Kind regards,
Guido

Re: tie in syllables
Reply #13
Rick, how do you select that character? When I open the char map, I don't see it.
Sorry, it is U+035C. My error.
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