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Combining rests and notes

While adding a note as a chord member to the rest the program allows to add only a note that has a longer duration than the rest. Is there a way around this besides adding a new staff?

Re: Combining rests and notes

Reply #1 –
You can make a rest chord with the note the same duration as the rest or where the rest is less than the note duration.
If you want to do anything else, you have to use layering.
Rich.

Re: Combining rests and notes

Reply #2 –
Yes, I realized that solution already: but adding a layer just for that reason complicates and prolongs work unecessarily. The way I see it should be possible to combine any rest with any note within one staff. I only hope it's not too difficult to do and that it will not take years to get there.

Thanks for your answer in any case.

Re: Combining rests and notes

Reply #3 –
Use text:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#,C#,G#|Tonic:A
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Text|Text:"n"|Font:StaffSymbols|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half,Dotted|Pos2:-2
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Registered user since 1996

Re: Combining rests and notes

Reply #4 –
Ok Rick, thanks for suggesting this. It's somewhat better than creating an extra staff, but let's see what it takes to do what you suggest:
1) Page set up / 2) fonts/ 3) modify/ 4) scroll down choose font/ 5) OK / 6) OK / 7) ctrl. X / 8) Char map 9) scroll down 10) choose char 11) justification left / 12) at next note 13) OK 14) Select item 15) final adjustment.

So it takes 15 clicks to get a quarter note rest. Sorry, my protest still stands.

Today I created 3 bars of tremolo. Adjusting the oblique dash on the notes stems took me ages: I thought it would require some adjustment only at the beginning, I said to myself: never mind, I'll do it once and copy-paste it later. But then, if on the next note there is an alteration the sign is misplaced. So I had to go back to the trial and error sport till I guessed the right amount of empty spaces to fill in in the text box. And if there are two alterations the dash is misplaced again, and again trial and error. And so on ... Eventually I got a result, but:
 
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Bar
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-2|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:3,6|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=First,Muted
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-5|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b0,b3|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-5|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:2,5|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-6|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b-1,b2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-7|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:n0,n3|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"       l"|Font:User2|Pos:-8|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,b0|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=End,Muted
|Bar
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-7|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b-1,b2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=First,Muted
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-5,-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"       l"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,b0|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"       l"|Font:User2|Pos:-12|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:n-7,-4|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-11|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-5,-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-13|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b-8,b-5|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=End,Muted
|Bar
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,0|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=First,Muted
|Text|Text:"       l"|Font:User2|Pos:-11|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b-7,-4|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-11|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-5,-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-13|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b-8,b-5|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:"            l"|Font:User2|Pos:-14|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:b-7,b-4|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam,Muted
|Text|Text:" l"|Font:User2|Pos:-16|Justify:Center
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-10,-7|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=End,Muted
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
  
Good that there are workarounds but it is not the point, it never is. Working time matters too, and as I mentioned in the "workaround sport" thread I find it hard to accept that after nearly two decades of working experience there should still be basic features which are not native.  
  

Re: Combining rests and notes

Reply #5 –
Quote from: LEON –
Ok Rick, thanks for suggesting this. It's somewhat better than creating an extra staff, but let's see what it takes to do what you suggest:
1) Page set up / 2) fonts/ 3) modify/ 4) scroll down choose font/ 5) OK / 6) OK / 7) ctrl. X / 8) Char map 9) scroll down 10) choose char 11) justification left / 12) at next note 13) OK 14) Select item 15) final adjustment.
Steps 1-6 are not needed. The font used is a default.

It is usually not "better than creating an extra staff."
IMO, layering is not a workaround. It is the standard method for handling 2 voices that share a staff.
Registered user since 1996

Re: Combining rests and notes

Reply #6 –
Quote from: Rick G. –
Steps 1-6 are not needed. The font used is a default.

Thanks I did not realize that, I am still used to work with the older version. So now there are now "only" 9 clicks. Still 8 too many.

Quote from: Rick G. –
IMO, layering is not a workaround. It is the standard method for handling 2 voices that share a staff.

I agree, but then why do you need the rest+note option in the first place? When you have three or more voices (in a guitar part f.e.) you normally can manage with two staves, unless you encounter a rest+note problem, then you would need three, and this is a waste of time. And with three layered staves all the aligning problems that need to be manually corrected when you have two staves become worse. Alterations that collide with each other, second grade intervals etc. Here is an example (I don't know how to copy paste layered staves, so I bring them here one by one).

Staff 1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Rest|Dur:Half|Opts:Stem=Down
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Staff 2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Staff 3
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-10|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-9|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-11|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End