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Fermata - odd behaviour

The example below is the start of the song 'Runaround Sue', arrangement of Jeff Funk.
In the first staff there are fermatae on the last (half) note of a measure; in the second staff fermatae on whole notes. As a result the duration of the notes in the to staffs is not the same anymore !

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!NoteWorthyComposer(2.5)
|ActiveStaff:2|CaretIndex:30|CaretPos:0
|SongInfo|Title:"Run Around Sue"|Author:"Dion Di Mucci and Ernest Maresca"|Lyricist:"Arr. Jeff Funk"|Copyright1:""|Copyright2:""
|PgSetup|StaffSize:15|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|ExtendLastSystem:Y|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:1|StaffLabels:All Systems|BarNumbers:Boxed|StartingBar:1|AllowLayering:N
|Font|Style:StaffItalic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffBold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:7|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffLyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageTitleText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageSmallText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User1|Typeface:"Boxmark2"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User2|Typeface:"Boxmark2"|Size:10|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User3|Typeface:"Boxmark2"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User4|Typeface:"NWCV15"|Size:10|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User5|Typeface:"NWC2STDA"|Size:10|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:2
|Font|Style:User6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.52|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Tenor"|Label:"T"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:15|BoundaryBottom:15|Lines:5|Style:Standard|Layer:N|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:95|StereoPan:127|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Name:"Flute"|Patch:73|Bank:0,0|Trans:0|DynVel:127,127,127,127,127,127,127,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:0
|Lyric1|Text:"Here\'s my sto-ry, it\'s sad but true;\r\nit\'s a-bout a girl that I once knew.\r\nShe took my love then ran a-round\r\nwith ev-\'ry sin-gle guy in town.\r\n\r\nOh, woh, oh, woh, oh woh, oh.\r\n\r\nI should have known it from the ver-y start,\r\nNow lis-ten, peo-ple, what I\'m tel-ling you,\r\na-keep a-way fom a-Run-a-round Sue.\r\n\r\nI miss her lips and the smile on her face,\r\nthe touch of her hair and this girl\'s warm em-brace.\r\nSo if you don\'t wan-na cry like I do,\r\na-keep a-way from a-Run-a-round Sue.\r\n\r\nOh, woh, oh, woh, oh woh, oh.\r\n\r\nShe likes to tra-vel a-round,\r\nshe\'ll love you, but she\'ll cut you down.\r\nNow, peo-ple, let me put you wise,\r\nSue goes out with oth-er guys.\r\nHere\'s the mor-al and the sto-ry from the guy who knows,\r\nI fell in love and my love still grows.\r\nAsk a-ny fool that she ev-er knew,\r\nthey\'ll say a-keep a-way from a-Run-a-round Sue.\r\nkeep a-way, a-keep a-way from a-Run-a-round Sue.\r\n"
|Clef|Type:Treble|OctaveShift:Octave Down|Visibility:Always
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb|Tonic:B
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Text|Text:"Free Tempo"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:9
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Tempo|Tempo:90|Pos:7|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Dynamic|Style:mf|Opts:Volume=57|Pos:-8
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:1
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-1
|Bar
|AddStaff|Name:"Bas"|Label:"HB"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:15|BoundaryBottom:15|Lines:5|Style:Standard|Layer:N|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:0|Device:0|Channel:3
|StaffInstrument|Name:"Flute"|Patch:73|Bank:0,0|Trans:0|DynVel:127,127,127,127,127,127,127,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:0
|Lyric1|Text:"Oo, oo, ah, oo.\r\nHayp hayp, bum-da ha-dy ha-dy,\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp. Ah.\r\n\r\nthis girl would leave me with a bro-ken heart.\r\na-keep a-way from a-Run-a-round Sue.\r\n\r\nHayp hayp, bum-da ha-dy ha-dy,\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp.\r\nHayp hayp, bum-da ha-dy ha-dy,\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp. Ah. Ah, ah, ah.\r\nHayp hayp, bum-da ha-dy ha-dy,\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp hayp bum-da ha-dy ha-dy\r\nhayp.\r\nkeep a-way, a-keep a-way from a-Run-a-round Sue.\r\n"
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb|Tonic:B
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Bar
|Dynamic|Style:mf|Opts:Volume=75|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:7^
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:7
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:5^
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:5^
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:5
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:6^
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:6
|Bar
|Dynamic|Style:f|Opts:Volume=92|Pos:-8
|AddStaff|Name:"Right Hand"|Label:"Piano"|Group:"Piano"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:N|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|Style:Upper Grand Staff|Layer:N|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:5
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Treble
|AddStaff|Name:"Left Hand"|Group:"Piano"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:N|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|Style:Lower Grand Staff|Layer:N|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:6
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Bass
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
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Re: Fermata - odd behaviour

Reply #1 –
Apparantly it's only a problem in the beta test version (2.5 preview 6).
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Re: Fermata - odd behaviour

Reply #2 –
I don't see or hear a problem.
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Re: Fermata - odd behaviour

Reply #3 –
Rick,

Which version did you use to open the clip ? As I said, there's only a problem in the beta.

Gust.
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Re: Fermata - odd behaviour

Reply #4 –
I used preview version 6 and couldn't see or hear anything odd.

The I exported to version 1.75 and also tried version 2.1 and didn't hear a difference between versions.

However, what I would say is that the way you have the fermatas at the moment, they won't make a difference to the sound since they have to have a delay added to them (which you haven't got). If you associate a delay with all of the fermatas that you have in the piece, then the fermatas on the  bass clef will impact the notes on the treble cleff in a way that you may not be expecting.

For example, the fermata on the third measure will impact the "c" on the treble(/tenor) staff.

Are you sure that you didn't try in the beta version with the delays entered and in the other versions without ?
Rich.