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system break points.

I asked whether when one is, say, putting 3 different phrases on a staff for a beginning student to study, whether the staff can end after each and then start anew.  This rather than running all together on the same staff.

Noteworthy wrote back about using system break points and I tried it.  True the staff ended, however it stretched whatever was done before it to the end of the line (justified it), so the noot spacing was wide and odd.  the last line is normal, but compressed looking in relation to the former.

I just want to write a short etude-like violin phrase, end it, leave a space about 1/2 inch and then start the staff again, perhaps on the same line or maybe end the line in mid page and go to the next.  Is this possible.

Paul

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Reply #1 –
 
Insert a text expression containing some non-breaking space, ie Alt+1060 characters with preserve width checked, before the system break.

It must work, as it does for me.

Hth,
Ertugrul

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Reply #2 –
Actually, in this case ordinary spaces (the kind you get with the space bar) will work also, to force additional space wherever you might want it. In the days before NoteWorthy's extensive placement options, I did that sort of thing a lot in order to get placements as desired on the printouts.

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Reply #3 –
Actually guys, Fred's suggestion seems ok to create space, however I really want the staff to end, then have an inch of dead space then start again.  This happening mid line if possible.

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as above.

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Reply #4 –
Do you also have MS Word or similar program? If so:

You can export a Windows Metafile (WMF) from NWC on a page-by-page basis. Menu File > Print Preview > Copy > Placeable WMF.

The WMF can be placed in MS Word, re-scaled and cropped to fit. Don't attempt to edit it with the drawing tools.

You can then place free-floating text boxes that will act as "white-out" areas. Just be sure that the text background is white, rather than transparent. The exact commands needed to do this may depend upon the version of your word processor (if all else fails, ask the paper clip).

You can also place more than one WMF on a page, if that will suit your needs.
 

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Reply #5 –
What about setting the right margin to 1½ or even 2 inches?  This would seem to give the needed white space.

Ertugrul, Alt+1060 results in a $.  I assume you mean Alt+0160. 

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Reply #6 –
So put another way, in order to have to pieces on one page with two titles-- two separate pieces must be pasted into a word document?

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Reply #7 –
If you want two titles (and two pieces) on the same sheet, then the answer is yes.
But as I don't have feith into µ$ products, I found another solution:
write your first piece as you want (a short one, if I understand your need) and print it.
Measure the space it takes.
create (or edit) the 2nd one, and specify as the top margin height the length the first occupies on the sheet.
Re-insert the same sheet in your printer (using the correct end/side), and print the second.
Then you should have something like this:
    Title 1
____________
____________
____________
____________
____________

    Title 2
____________
____________
____________
____________
____________

Use the footer as you need it (none or one only is necessary).
Am I clear?
If not, ask me, I'll send you a sample.
Another solution, is to use break marks, as NW told you; in that case, I'd set top height staff to a large value, and would use a text item to enter the title of the subsequent staves (example on request)

HTH!

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Reply #8 –
I quickly made an example for the last technique I explained over there. It can be seen here (click on the "violin1.nwc" (named "this example") link).
Within the browser plug-in, it's not visible; either try to print it, or use the Print Preview in NWC.

As paper sizes are not the same everywhere, you may have to play with the margins to obtain the same results I do, but I think this one should be ok.

HTH!

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Reply #9 –
Paul: Placing two or more WMFs into an MS Word document is not difficult. If you've never done it before, then you will have to learn the Word menu choices (ask the paperclip). But once you learn it, you can use it for many different things. Since the placed files can be seen in page layout mode, and since you can add other things (text, images), it's the right way to go. If you intend to send the finished document to someone else who may not have MS Word or a Windows machine, you can put the whole thing into embedded PDF using Ghostscript (see other message threads for how to do this).

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Reply #10 –
I have a dingbats font that has a large square.  I enter about a dozen of them (as text) right-justified at the end of the line that I want invisible.  I highlight the item in white, and no more line.  I add the second title as another text item, using Page Title Text.  This works for as many times as is needed.

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Reply #11 –
I have not had good luck importing to Word.  Staff lines are inconsistant. (alising)  Faxing works though.

There are a few formating things that NWC really should be engineered to do.  It is really a terrific program.  I am aware of other possibililies using other programs, however this solution was for an older gentleman who has no computer saavy.  I hoped that a new document could be forced on an old page.

PB

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Reply #12 –
If you haven't been able to obtain satisfactory results importing NWC WMFs into MS Word, it is not because there is any sort of software problem in either program. Inconsistent line widths and spacing could be due to:

(1) When staff lines do not exactly coincide with pixel spacing, the Word software must decide where to put the line. But a staff that appears poor on-screen should nevertheless print well on any reasonably good printer.

(3) If printing is unsatisfactory, you may need to use a higher resolution printer. I haven't seen any fuzziness when printing directly from NWC, probably because there is one less math conversion step when going direct.

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Reply #13 –
Robert's comments apply also to exports to PostScript or PDF. Traditionally, GSview has had far superior on-screen anti-aliasing to Adobe Acrobat, but Adobe has been closing the gap with recent versions of the PDF Reader (V4 and up).

I think it's important to emphasise again that just because it looks bad onscreen does not mean that the printout will be affected adversely.

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Reply #14 –
Fred:

Feeling poorly today? You didn't notice that I omitted (2) above!

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Reply #15 –
Actually, I did notice, I was going to put "2:" in my reply but thought better of it. (Didn't want to have to duck again...) :)