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Ties Obscuring Notes

The ties in the attached score (measures 3 & 7) are overlaying and obscuring notes, making the score difficult to read.

I think it’s due to the rest chords, but I haven’t found a way to make the ties go down instead of up, or to make them arch higher/lower so they don’t obscure the notes.

Is there any way to prevent these ties from obscuring the notes?

(I already posed this question to NoteWorthy Support, but got no reply).

Re: Ties Obscuring Notes

Reply #1 –
At some point, one has to introduce a layered staff - see attachment WhenTheShadowsFleeAway_LayeredStaff.nwc.

Musically, I'm somewhat flabbergasted by a "Duet" having three voices at times - who sings these fill-ins? And notationally, there a few hiccups, or things I'd do differently. I have added another score called WhenTheShadowsFleeAway_LayeredStaff_Hints.nwc, which hightlights these in red. But all of them - with the exception of the superfluous bar line - are "just my personal opinion"!

H.M.
 

Re: Ties Obscuring Notes

Reply #2 –
Thanks for the quick turnaround! But this raises more questions.

  • How did you achieve that effect? I understand what layering is, but I don’t find a way to “unlayer” the now-combined staffs.

  • How can I push the top slur up so it doesn’t cross the note stems? I tried inserting an object, but it had no effect (I guess because it was inserted on the wrong staff?)

Re: Ties Obscuring Notes

Reply #3 –
Sorry - I was away for a day from the internet (playing organ in the church and keyboard with a pop cover band in a Bavarian biergarten :) ...).

Ad 1. For "Layering", the following checkboxes and commands are helpful:
a) In the "View" menu, there is an option "Layering in Edit Mode"; I prefer it to be unchecked, so that I always see layered staves separately ("unlayered") while editing. When I want to see the layered effect, I simply press F11 ("Viewer Mode"); and press it again to get back to Edit Mode. I think this is what you ask for.
b) In a score's"Page Setup" (Alt-F G), in tab "Contents" there is a check box "Allow Layering" under the "Groups" list, which needs to be checked for layering. I have it checked in all my scores (even if I don't need layering now - I might need it later).
c) In each staff that should be layered with the next one, in the "Staff Properties" (F2) "Layer with Next Staff" needs to be checked.

Ad 2. Unfortunately, there is no way to change the form of a tie. The only way I see is to leave the ties away and replace them with slurs:
a) Either NWC slurs, whose ends can be shifted a little with "Markers" (@, on the keyboard).
b) Or with Mikes "cubic slurs" (SlurCubic object), which gives you more control, e.g. over the height of the curve and its thickness ("strength").
I have added a score where I use a) in measure 3 and b) in measure 7.

Of course, removing the ties changes the playback sound. If you need to "repair" this, you can either
- add the notes invisibly on the second staff with ties; and mute the un-tied notes on the main staff. This is what I did in the attached score; or
- add another complete staff which is always invisble (I put it into a Contents Group "Sound", which I leave unchecked in the "Contents" tab of the Page Setup). This staff contains the sounding notes, as a suitably changed copy of the main staff, which is then completely muted (in staff properties' "Midi tab" check "Muted"). This is what I often do, because I also want to change note lengths and articulations etc. anyway for better playback.

H.M.

Re: Ties Obscuring Notes

Reply #4 –
I propose this beautiful question for the magister HMM.
In the attached score, Ah! sung by the second tenors with notes held up to four measures.
The tie on the first Ah! (F) does not give problems.
These begin on the second Ah! (F / A chord) because the slurs interfere with the first notes of the “pa-ra-pa-ra-pa”.
Same goes for the next agreement (F / A / C)
On the fourth Ah! (F / A / C / E) no problem, not carrying tie.
Another drawback is given by the lyrics with melisma of the various Ah !, placed at different heights.
I thought of solving it like this.
For the first three Ah! I added a staff. On this I copied the "mother" score, then F, F / A, F / A / C, and here I worked with Mike's slur cubic, adjusting the height and width of the arc. These notes I have made mute. Each mother score has been made invisible but not mute: therefore the slurs behave correctly (sound kept) but are not seen.
However, the problem of text with melisma arises: this last user object is not displayed by the slur cubic, I think. So I brought the text of the "mother" scores (which can be heard but not seen), ie the various "Ah!" on the "false" staves (which can be seen but not heard), at various heights as per the score.
I still can't enter this work of mine which is still very crude!
Have a nice Sunday.
Lorenzo

PS:I hope the Google traductor works clearly!

Re: Ties Obscuring Notes

Reply #5 –
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
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|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|User|SlurCubic.ms|Pos:-1|StartOffsetX:0.3|StartOffsetY:2|EndOffsetY:2|RightStrength:2
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward,Muted
|Bar
|User|SlurCubic.ms|Pos:-1|StartOffsetX:0.3|StartOffsetY:2|EndOffsetY:2|RightStrength:2
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,XNoteSpace=2,Tie=Downward,Muted
|Bar|Style:Double
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,XNoteSpace=1.5,Muted
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|AddStaff|Name:"Ah! do vero"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:14|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket,Layer|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:7
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:1
|Lyric1|Text:"Ah!\n"
|User|Melismatic.nw|Pos:0|Class:StaffSig|minLength:1
|Boundary|Style:Collapse
|Clef|Type:Treble|Visibility:Never
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb|Tonic:B|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:1^|Opts:Tie=Downward|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:1|Opts:XNoteSpace=1.5|Visibility:Never
|Boundary|Style:EndCollapse
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|AddStaff|Name:"Ah! do falso"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket,Layer|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:9
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Treble|Visibility:Never
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb|Tonic:B|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Boundary|Style:Collapse
|User|SlurCubic.ms|Pos:1|StartOffsetY:1.7|EndOffsetY:1.7|RightStrength:2|Dir:Downward
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:1|Opts:XNoteSpace=2,Muted
|Bar|Style:Double
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:1|Opts:XNoteSpace=1.5,Muted
|Boundary|Style:EndCollapse
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|AddStaff|Name:"Ah! solo"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:14|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket,ConnectBars|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:8
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:5
|Lyric1|Text:"Ah!\n"
|Clef|Type:Treble|Visibility:Never
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb|Tonic:B|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:3|Opts:XNoteSpace=1.5
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:4th|Visibility:Never
|AddStaff|Name:"Bass"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:14|BoundaryBottom:16|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:5
|StaffInstrument|Patch:52|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:0
|Lyric1|Text:"Ah!\n"
|User|Melismatic.nw|Pos:0|Class:StaffSig|minLength:1
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb|Tonic:B
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Lyric=Never,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-5^|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-5^|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-5^|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar|Style:Double
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar|Style:Double
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|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar|Style:Double
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|User|XText.hmm|Pos:-24|Scale1:130|Text1:"L\'ha sentida el fiol del re,%br%l\'ha domandà chi l\'è che \'l canta.%br% %br%L\'è la fiola del bacan,%br%tuti i dis che l\'ei sì bela!"
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar|Style:Double
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2^|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Down
!NoteWorthyComposer-End

Here is what I managed to produce. The word is yours!
Good day.
Lorenzo

Re: Ties Obscuring Notes

Reply #6 –
Quote from: lawrroc –
PS:I hope the Google traductor works clearly!
Very clear: after retranslating to Italian it gets some sense...  :))  :))

I'm kidding, but the translation is a bit funny.
Sorry, Lorenzo!