flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

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flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

3 years ago

Hello all

I am trying to achieve correct flow direction in the following case:

Chorus has three iterations.
I use a segno at the beginning and master repeat with ending 1, ending 2 has a DS al coda but it takes me back to chorus 1 instead of 3. How do I fix that? Ending two just has a double bar line.

Re: flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

Reply #1 – 3 years ago

Hey SEBC, can you post an example please?

Re: flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

Reply #2 – 3 years ago

Yes, I figured I would need to do this to decipher my rambling post!

The issue is on the third return to m 12. The highlighted lyrics are vs 1, not vs 3.

Re: flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

Reply #3 – 3 years ago

Thanks mate, made it much easier.

The way you have it is, IMHO, the neatest presentation, but NWC will never chase the 3rd verse because of how its internal logic works.
If getting the chase correct is important then I would do the following:

Eliminate the DS, To Coda and Coda directives
Eliminate the decorated barline (Section Open) at the start of the current coda
Make the current coda Special Ending 3
Move the lyric line for the Coda (now S.E.3) into the 3rd verse to keep the chase working. (You'll need to use "_"s in the lyrics dialogue to use up notes that you don't want the lyrics to appear under to get the location correct.
Lose the gap as it no longer serves a purpose
Move the S.E. 2 lyrics into the second verse so they'll chase properly. (More "_"s required)
Use Boundary Offsets where needed to reduce the staff lower offset to raise the lyric line to your preferred vertical position (it won't show this in the editor, only in print preview - not sure if it will show in the viewer...)

If you want to keep the current appearance but still have it chase correctly, then setup the changes as invisible and replace the DS, To Coda and Coda directives as text entries instead. The gap can remain as it doesn't impact flow.
Regardless, the Section Open bar at the start of the Coda must go as it kills the flow when using repeats. I.E. It will never get to the 3rd S.E. I'm also pretty sure it isn't correct usage in a coda anyway.
N.B. ALL decorated barlines do this to the flow. I remember it being a point of contention WRT double barlines many years ago.

I hope this is at least somewhat helpful.

Re: flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

Reply #4 – 3 years ago

Thank you so much. I do need the score to look as I sent, so have made the invisible changes, which did fix the flow issues.

One thing that you omitted was a hidden master repeat at the end of Special ending 2.

I am going to screen record the playback for the choristers, so they can practice with a video, so I won't be able to use the print preview, so those lyrics in ending 2 and 3 and stuck at the lower level.

Re: flow question re: choruses, repeats, endings question

Reply #5 – 3 years ago

Quote from: SEBC – 3 years ago

Thank you so much. I do need the score to look as I sent, so have made the invisible changes, which did fix the flow issues.

A pleasure. Glad it helped.

Quote from: SEBC – 3 years ago

One thing that you omitted was a hidden master repeat at the end of Special ending 2.

There's always some little thing isn't there?

Quote from: SEBC – 3 years ago

I am going to screen record the playback for the choristers, so they can practice with a video, so I won't be able to use the print preview, so those lyrics in ending 2 and 3 and stuck at the lower level.

Bit disappointing that. I tried an experiment with lower boundary changes and viewer mode but it didn't help so you can't get around it using the viewer either.