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Up and Down beams on same set of notes

I am trying to beam the eighth (dotted) notes in the following snippet:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,XDotSpace=-1|Dur2:8th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,XDotSpace=-1|Dur2:8th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Can this be done with an object now? I don't want to add a hidden staff if at all possible.
TIA
Since 1998

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #1 –
Did you check this?

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Warren Porter –
I am trying to beam the eighth (dotted) notes in the following snippet:
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Can this be done with an object now? I don't want to add a hidden staff if at all possible.
I am quite sure it cannot be done with an object in practice - because shortening only the stems of the dotted eighths is not possible (if you reduce the stem length to 0, also the sixteenth's stem vanishes). But with a non-vanishing stem, the flag remains visible - so no beams.
(Formally, you could use some text object to "white out" the lower stems and flags; and then apply a beam object. I cannot believe that you would want to do this).

H.M.

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #3 –
I concur with @hmmueller on this. The main barrier is the inability to control the upper and lower stem lengths independently. At one point I considered a user object that would allow re-beaming of notes whose stem lengths were set to 0; it would have redrawn both the stems and the beams for both sets of notes (upward and downward stems). As you can guess, it would have been a lot of work, and there would have been other problems, such as the slurs on the upper notes, which no longer have the stems to "hold them up", so slur markers would have to be added. In the end I gave up on the project. If you want beams on both sets of notes, your best bet is to put each part on its own layered staff (which of course is what Rick G. would be saying here if he were still with us).

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #4 –
You can fake it if you don't mind the other issues that I can already hear people saying !!!!

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|User|LineSpan.nw|Pos:-8|Span:1.52|PenW:2|Scale:50
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End,XNoteSpace=0.1|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|User|LineSpan.nw|Pos:-8|Span:3.5|PenW:2|Scale:50
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,XDotSpace=-1|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,XDotSpace=-1|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Rich.

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #5 –
Well, then:
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!NoteWorthyComposer(2.751)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|User|Markup.rg|Pos:-5|Markup:/x4.3/m2.98/a0_
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Spacer|Width:200
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End,XNoteSpace=0.1|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|User|Markup.rg|Pos:-4|Markup:/x2.7/m2.9/a-3.5__
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:0
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
I like your (and NWCs) nonchalant ignorance of note lengths in the second voice - "quarters/crotchets for everything"! An interesting idea to get rid of those flags ...

H.M.

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #6 –
Quote from: Warren Porter –
I am trying to beam the eighth (dotted) notes in the following snippet:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,XDotSpace=-1|Dur2:8th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,XDotSpace=-1|Dur2:8th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Can this be done with an object now? I don't want to add a hidden staff if at all possible.
TIA

Hi Warren,

What's the purpose of XDotSpace=-1 in both chords? It makes the dots invisible.
Always look on the bright side of life!

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #7 –
Quote from: Opagust –
What's the purpose of XDotSpace=-1 in both chords? It makes the dots invisible.
The whole piece is triplets and the final time signature will be 2/4. I will be doing a workaround when I transcribe the accompaniment.
Since 1998
 

Re: Up and Down beams on same set of notes

Reply #8 –
Quote from: Warren Porter –
The whole piece is triplets and the final time signature will be 2/4. I will be doing a workaround when I transcribe the accompaniment.

Thanks. I thought there was a big gap in my knowledge of music theory ::)
Always look on the bright side of life!