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Unbreakable triplets

Having to deal with an exaggerated span, I was trying to put a key change inside a triplet.
No way, as far as I can go.
Look here:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:10|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:b14|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:b2|Opts:Stem=Down
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Anyone a good idea?

Re: Unbreakable triplets

Reply #1 –
I assume you mean Clef rather than key change. IMO, it would be nonsense to put a key change in a triplet.

NWC should allow a Clef within a triplet. It happens with some regularity in piano music. I would imagine that it is even more common in bassoon parts.

Workaround is to use a text clef and mute the notes to the end of the triplet, then add them to a hidden staff.

In some cases, you can use Instrument->Transpose (but if you need to hide accidentals, it not worth the effort). Too bad that the Instrument patch does not have a 'Shift Notes' spinbox.

Even if NoteWorthy would fix this, it would not help much. First, NoteWorthy would need to incorporate small clefs.
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Re: Unbreakable triplets

Reply #2 –
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IMO, it would be nonsense to put a key change in a triplet.

IMO too!
Sorry Rick, I was fooled by the verbatim translation: indeed "chiave" (literally "key") must be translated correctly as "clef". And by the way: "key" is usually translated in Italian as "tonalità".

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In some cases, you can use Instrument->Transpose (but if you need to hide accidentals, it not worth the effort).

...unless, that is, you simply do an octave shift.
Ok, it's not a true Clef change...

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Too bad that the Instrument patch does not have a 'Shift Notes' spinbox.

Sorry, I didn't get this. What do you mean with 'Shift Notes' spinbox?
(N.B. I know what's a spinbox!)

Thank you, mate.

Re: Unbreakable triplets

Reply #3 –
Quote from: Flurmy –
Sorry, I didn't get this. What do you mean with 'Shift Notes' spinbox?
(N.B. I know what's a spinbox!)
Shifted, rather than transposed.
Shift +12 would sound like the Bass Clef even though the actual notes were on the Treble Clef.

If NWC supported all Clefs in a flexible way it would not be needed, but NWC doesn't.
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Re: Unbreakable triplets

Reply #4 –
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Shift +12 would sound like the Bass Clef even though the actual notes were on the Treble Clef.

Uh? Maybe -12?

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Shifted, rather than transposed.

Sorry Rick, I still don't understand.
Do you mean that, while the true clef remains the same, in this way you can put a fake one (text) and let the playback be adjusted on it? If it's so, what's different from the transpose?
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Re: Unbreakable triplets

Reply #5 –
Quote from: Flurmy –
Uh? Maybe -12?
probably
Quote from: Flurmy –
Sorry Rick, I still don't understand.
Do you mean that, while the true clef remains the same, in this way you can put a fake one (text) and let the playback be adjusted on it? If it's so, what's different from the transpose?
Transpose +8 plays back the same as shifting the notes up 7 lines. But this only works with octave transpositions.

Possibly this clip shows the problem:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Clef|Type:Alto
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Clef|Type:Treble|Visibility:Never
|Instrument|Name:"[-11]"|Trans:-11|Pos:9|Placement:AtNextNote|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Color:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam|Color:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:Whole,Grace|Pos:#1z,#2z|Opts:Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

In any case, NWC2 handles Clef changes badly. Clefs that appear mid-line are usually placed so as to disrupt the flow of the song as little as possible. You need the control of horizontal position, size and width that is only possible with text clefs.

A fix would be for the Clef at the start of each system to inherit its visibility from the very first Clef on its staff and ignore the visibility setting of "inline" Clefs. But this would be confusing to new users.
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