Automatic insertion of bar lines..? 2004-12-13 07:46 pm Hello all...!Is there a facility in NoteWorthy to automatically insert the next bar line when the correct number and length of notes, rests, etc, have been inserted in each bar...?For example: With a time signature of 4/4, when 4 crotchets, or equivalents, have been correctly inserted the next bar line is automatically inserted.Any incorrect, (longer), insertions would be carried over into the next bar, indicating that something is wrong!This serves as an automatic check on the accuracy of the composition as it progresses.(At the moment it is possible to complete the piece using only one bar..)...LOL...!Many thanks for any tips...!Paul.(Hereford. Herefordshire. England).My old 1984 Sinclair Spectrum 48K Computer, (remember them?), has a MIDI hardware interface/software composer with this facility built in, and I always found it very useful when composing complex bars where errors could occur. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #1 – 2004-12-13 09:26 pm Actually, many users LIKE the non-automatic insertion of bar lines. For some kinds of music, it is best!You can use the existing "audit bar lines" feature, if you wish. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #2 – 2004-12-13 10:03 pm Well, I can see why you would wish for such a thing. Sometimes, in very regular pieces, I add an extra staff, containing only whole rests and bar lines, as far as the eye can see. Then, any staff you work on should line up with the bar lines in the check-bar.Would that do as a workaround? - Rob. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #3 – 2004-12-14 07:06 am Fozzer, how would an automatic bar line work when you're creating bars with triplets? Wouldn't an automatic bar line become a nuisance, unless it could be toggled? Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #4 – 2004-12-14 07:07 am As I think about it, an automatic bar line would have to be able to account for pieces that don't begin on a downbeat. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #5 – 2004-12-14 12:28 pm And when you enter a minim by mistake instead of a crotchet at the end of a bar what should NWC do? Throw up an error? - So you have to clear the error message before you can put it right: REALLY irritating! Replace the minim with two tied crotchets either side of the bar line instead? - Now you have two items to delete instead of one. Guess that you really meant to enter a crotchet and put one in anyway? But maybe the mistake was that you missed a change from 3/4 to 4/4.If there is sufficient support to get this onto the implemented part of the wish list, I would l like to register a plea for the feature to be toggleoffable. Where would my left hand pinkie get its exercise if it wasn't needed for entering bar lines?Stephen Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #6 – 2004-12-15 06:57 am Toggleoffable? Nicely coined. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #7 – 2004-12-15 01:03 pm BTW - it isn't necessary to use your left pinkie for inserting bar lines. You can use the numeric keypad * key instead. That means that all the keys you are likely to need are on the right-hand side of the keyboard. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #8 – 2004-12-17 01:32 am You are all ganging up on me....LOL...!As I mentioned at the start, my old Sinclair Spectrum computer's composer program incorporated this automatic facility.After inserting the time signature, and I compose the piece note by note, if I incorrectly inserted the wrong length of note, or rest, or too many notes suitable for the length of the bar, the program would either beep at me as a warning before inserting the next bar-line, or insert the bar-line and the incorrect note or rest would appear in the next bar, again obviously wrong!It did an excellent job of constantly checking my composition, bar by bar, for its accuracy as I composed the piece.Do you get what I mean?....poor old Fozzer is not very expert at composing music, simple or complex, off the top of his head, rather than copying it off a sheet of music which is easy-peasy...!LOL...!Cheers all..!Paul....be nice to me...remember I'm not J.S. Bach...LOL...! Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #9 – 2004-12-17 05:04 am Naaah, we're not ganging up on you, Fozzer, just exploring your idea.If all you want is some way to automatically check to see if you've not entered notes of the wrong value, then you can do that quite easily with the program as it currently exists. Just create a new staff, add a whole rest and bar line to it, then highlight those two things, copy them to your clipboard, move to the end of that staff, and hold down Control and V to paste in dozens or hundreds of copies. Now you have a visual check on the staff you're using for notes, because the bar lines won't line up on the two staffs if you've made an entry mistake. When you're finished, just delete this extra staff.It actually takes longer to explain the method than to do it.If you want the automatic bar line to save key strokes, though, you might want to make a request on the wishlist.David Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #10 – 2004-12-17 11:14 am We agree again, David. See my reply nr 2.That's the way I do it, and it works nicely. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #11 – 2004-12-17 06:46 pm Thank-you Rob and David for your suggestion.I see what you mean now. An extra staff with bars containing the correct length of rest or note to match the time signature.Compare the bar lines with my composition, if they line-up vertically bar by bar, then my entries are correct...problem solved...Woo-Hoo...!Cheers all...Many thanks again...!Paul L. Fosbery.(Hereford. Herefordshire. England)...the County of white-faced cows, Bulmers cider and apprentice composers...LOL...! Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #12 – 2004-12-17 08:28 pm Apprentice composers produce a Fosbery flop?No kidding, I'm glad our suggestions work for you.Rob. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #13 – 2004-12-17 08:54 pm Hi Rob......same name...different pole-vaulter...LOL...!Cheers...Thanks again.Paul L. Fosbery Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #14 – 2004-12-18 03:03 am I'm afraid athletics are beyond me, but an even nicer way to check is to temporarily set both staff types to Orchestral. Then the lines reach out to each other, making the checking even easier. Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #15 – 2004-12-18 12:11 pm Hi David,A tip a day, fantastic..!I'm not really into athletics either, including walking, (which probably accounts for my excessive blood pressure)...LOL..!The "Fosbery Flop", was a method invented, and practiced by the champion pole-vaulter, ?? Fosbery, where he rotated his body into a horizontal position at the height of his vault to clear the pole and therefore achieve a greater height than the rest of the "upright" pole-vaulters, (whos legs always got in the way)...LOL..!There you are...another interesting tip completely un-related to music composing...!Something new every day..!LOL...!Cheers all...!Paul Fosbery....quietly resting...! Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #16 – 2004-12-18 05:13 pm RICHARD DOUGLAS FOSBURY (b. March 6, 1947, Portland, Ore., U.S.), American high jumper who revolutionized the sport by replacing the traditional approach to jumping with an innovative backward style that became known as the "Fosbury flop." Quote Selected
Re: Automatic insertion of bar lines..? Reply #17 – 2004-12-19 09:48 pm My spelling mistake was deliberate, to math Fozzer's name.Thanks for the clarification, anyway. Rob. Quote Selected
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