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Title: Melisma
Post by: lawrroc on 2022-10-22 08:23 am
In the attached image, the final measure of the two staves has a "brevis" (8/4). I solved it with the "brevis" in text format, while for the music I inserted two "semibrevis". User melismatic is set. How can I make the last syllable fall perfectly on the "brevis", without any signs of melisma? Or, is it possible to interrupt the user melisma within the staff?
Excuse my exposition, always the fruit of the almighty but foolish Google translator.
Good Sunday to you (it's raining here in northern Italy).
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Melisma
Post by: Mike Shawaluk on 2022-10-22 10:14 am
The easiest way to do this is to insert another Melismatic.nw object before the breve, but set the object's Visibility to Never. That will effectively disable the object. If you want to resume Melismatic later in the score, simply insert another one that is visible.
Title: Re: Melisma
Post by: lawrroc on 2022-10-22 12:58 pm
Great, Mike, thanks for the tip!
The sun is back, I hope it will shine for a long time - in a metaphorical sense - for you too.
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Melisma
Post by: lawrroc on 2022-12-01 12:06 pm
Hello, I'm bringing this topic up again due to a problem that I can't solve, and there is definitely a solution. After setting the "Melismatic.nw" object, the melisma does not appear.
The same score, but from a different "edition", brings it up correctly. I superimposed the two staves and they look perfectly the same (see image) but in one melisma ok, in the second "fugitive".
I also try to insert the code of the two lines. For practical effect, drafting the score, I arrive at the desired result, but I'd like to understand why the melisma is not seen in the second line.
Thank you.
Lorenzo

melisma no
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|User|Melismatic.nw|Pos:0|Class:StaffSig
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Tempo|Tempo:100|Pos:9|Visibility:Never
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb,Ab,Db|Tonic:A
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:12/8
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Lyric=Always,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:5|Pen:dash|Dir:Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:9/8
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:6|Pen:dash|Dir:Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:12/8
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Lyric=Always,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

melisma sì
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|User|Melismatic.nw|Pos:2|Class:Span
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Text|Text:"moderato"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:16
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb,Ab,Db|Tonic:A
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
|Tempo|Tempo:100|Pos:9|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Up
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:12/8
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Spacer|Width:250
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:7|Pen:dash
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:9/8
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:7|Pen:dash
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|TempoVariance|Style:Breath Mark|Pause:0|Pos:10|Justify:Right
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:12/8
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,XNoteSpace=1,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Title: Re: Melisma
Post by: Lawrie Pardy on 2022-12-01 02:13 pm
Hey Lorenzo,
the bold bit is the culprit:
<edit> Oops, I stand corrected - see post below - Thanks Mike

melisma no
|User|Melismatic.nw|Pos:0|Class:StaffSig

melisma sì
|User|Melismatic.nw|Pos:2|Class:Span

From NWC help:
Quote
The object class can be used to enable a special behaviour. When an object is assigned to the StaffSig class, it will be automatically included in every printed page system, in a similar fashion as is done with Clef and Key Signature items.

What you need is the "Span" behaviour which I couldn't find a reference for, but is needed to allow the object to span across other objects (E.G. notes) in the staff.
Title: Re: Melisma
Post by: Mike Shawaluk on 2022-12-01 03:29 pm
It's not the "Span" that's causing the problem. If you look at the first note of the "re" syllable of "amore", you will notice that the lyric syllable property is set to "Always". If you change it to "Default", the melisma will appear. The same is true for the other missing melisma.

I don't think that the Melismatic.nw object implements the "Span" behavior; you should leave the Class setting at StaffSig unless you want melismas for just the current system.
Title: Re: Melisma
Post by: lawrroc on 2022-12-01 05:06 pm
Resolved! I'll have to study the meanings of the terms well, it's always a delicate operation for my almost non-existent English.
Thanks, Mike e Lawrie!
Lorenzo
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