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Third Ending Ignored

Our praise team subscribes to a service that provides us with "new" music every month that we are free to copy and distribute among the praise team members.

Unfortunately, the guitar/piano music does not include the lyrics, so the guitarist have a hard time keeping track of where they are in relation to the vocalists.  Secondly, the text font used for the chords is so small, my husband nor the pastor's wife, can read the chords written above the treble staff on the piano score.

So, I typically take the vocalists score and the piano/guitar score and combine them using Noteworthy Composer.

I have a playback issue I can't figure out though on one of the latest songs I've input.  The "chorus" starts off the song and has a special ending (2,3).  However, it does a bridge before returning for the third ending.  The only way I could get Noteworthy to return to the beginning of the song after the bridge was to insert a Segno after the first report and a D.S. al Coda at the end of the bridge.  Of course, it ignores the third ending when I do this.

Any suggestions?  I can send the file if someone wants to look at it.

Thanks!

Jon Moss
jon@mossfam.net

Re: Third Ending Ignored

Reply #1 –
I ran into similiar problems several times while I was arranging gospel music.

I solved my problems easily by not using repeats, flow directions and special endings at all.

Since most of these are simple and (usually) short tunes, I simply copied the stanzas (or measures that I wished to repeat and paste them on to the end of the first (or 2nd or 3rd, etc.) stanza with, of course, whatever "special ending" and/or "transition" that I want to put in between.

Cumbersome?

Yes, perhaps a bit.  But it works like a charm and is very simple to do.

-- debo

Re: Third Ending Ignored

Reply #2 –
Yes, I've done that myself.  I was just trying to avoid it in this one because it is a fairly long and has a couple of key changes.  I also try to keep the music as short as possible because the guitarists can't turn pages while playing (so I print to odd paper sizes like 8.5x11 and 11x17 to get it on two pages).

Thanks for the tip, though.

Jon

Re: Third Ending Ignored

Reply #3 –
I'm not too familiar with church music, but I assume you're describing a song structure along the lines of

Introduction /  Chorus  /  First stanza  /  Chorus  /  Second stanza  /  Interlude  /  Chorus  /  Last stanza

If so, place a master repeat open (MRO)at the beginning of the chorus, a 1st ending at the beginning of the first stanza, a master repeat close (MRC) at the end of the first stanza, a 2nd ending at the beginning of the second stanza, a double bar at the end of the second stanza but not a repeat there, and put MRC the end of the interlude.  Place a third ending at the beginning of the last stanza.

That should work on playback, and should be musically correct for the musician reading the part as well.
 

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Reply #4 –
I'd like it'd work. Alas it doesn't.
I've tried what you said: (I replace (parts')names by notes,for simplicity):
C MRO B SingleBar 1stE A MRC 2ndE G DoubleBar F MRC 3rdE E
and playback gives:
C B A B G F B F B F B F B F B F B F
which is not what we expect; after many different tries, I replaced the DoubleBar with a single bar, and I obtained:
C B A B G F B E
which is what we wanted.
I wonder why the double bar causes such behavior; I admit that the repeats is the hardest part for me in NWC :/

Finally, quoting David, I'd say:
I'm not too familiar with church music, but I assume you're describing a song structure along the lines of
Introduction / Chorus / First stanza / Chorus / Second stanza / Interlude / Chorus / Last stanza

If so, place a master repeat open [MRO] at the beginning of the chorus, a 1st ending at the beginning of the first stanza, a master repeat close [MRC] at the end of the first stanza, a 2nd ending at the beginning of the second stanza, a single bar at the end of the second stanza but not a repeat there, and put a MRC at the end of the interlude. Place a third ending at the beginning of the last stanza.
Now it'd be better to indicate where the double bar should be. Adding an extra barline may do the trick, but it is a bit too "wide" IMHO.
HTH!