I tried this to slow down the grace notes but the result is a disaster.
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Does exist a trick for this?
Is there a name, or standard notation, for what you are trying to do? It sounds a bit like a trill, or perhaps a mordent?
Do we need another object? :)
Works for me. Compare and contrast:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
In summary, it appears that hiding the grace notes makes them play differently.
A bug of the highest order. Visibility should never alter playback.
Umm, it DOESN'T on my system.
Flurmy's example and the first part of Rick's example playback identically on my PC. The second part of Rick's example is, of course, different, but then it is notated differently too (no tied grace notes).
Are you sure? On my system, Flurmy's example plays this:
0 On ch=1 n=76 v=110
1 On ch=1 n=76 v=0
1 On ch=1 n=74 v=0
1 On ch=1 n=76 v=0
48 On ch=1 n=74 v=110
96 On ch=1 n=76 v=110
144 On ch=1 n=74 v=110
352 On ch=1 n=74 v=0
while my example plays this:
0 On ch=1 n=76 v=110
46 On ch=1 n=76 v=0
48 On ch=1 n=74 v=110
94 On ch=1 n=74 v=0
96 On ch=1 n=76 v=110
142 On ch=1 n=76 v=0
144 On ch=1 n=74 v=110
352 On ch=1 n=74 v=0
Hi Rick, I'm as sure as my can tell...
Attached is an mp3 of what I hear (don't have the MIDI tools you seem to). The first phrase is Flurmy's, the next 2 are yours.
I had to attach it as a .7z file as I can't upload an mp3
I don't have the compression tools you have. How 'bout a zip and or mid file?
I have 7zip installed, and am attaching his .mp3 file in a .zip file.
As a general observation, I know that I'm running NWC under Windows 10, and I suspect that
@Rick G. is as well. And, I'm pretty sure that
@Lawrie Pardy is running it under Windows XP. Perhaps there is a MIDI rendering error for these notes under newer versions of Windows only?
No, I'm running Win7. I'm curious as to what Version of NWC is being used. I'm using 2.75a.2
Win XP SP3, NWC 2.75a2, Yamaha SXG50 Softsynth
Windows XP here, and Soundblaster Live synth. :D
NWC 2.75a.2.
How can it be Windows?
Don't ask twice... ;)
This will get you close:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted|Dur2:Whole,Grace|Pos2:-6z^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Tenuto|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Whole,Grace|Pos2:-6z^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Tenuto|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam|Visibility:Never
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Whole,Grace|Pos2:-6z^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Tenuto|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Whole,Grace|Pos2:-6z^|Visibility:Never
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Grace|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted|Dur2:Whole,Grace|Pos2:-6z|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Seems OK with piano and harp. May be a bit choppy for winds:
0 On ch=1 n=76 v=116
24 On ch=1 n=76 v=0
48 On ch=1 n=74 v=116
72 On ch=1 n=74 v=0
96 On ch=1 n=76 v=116
120 On ch=1 n=76 v=0
144 On ch=1 n=74 v=110
352 On ch=1 n=74 v=0
How convoluted!
There is something in the NWC handling of grace notes that's out of my logic.
N.B. It seems that the tenuto has very little effect, if any.
I agree.
I won't comment on your logic, but NWC 2.75a.2 generates bad MIDI for grace notes that are a final tie destination, if they are not visible.
Very little, but some. In the example, the notes stay on for 24 PPQN's instead of 22
I would suppose that grace notes were probably not designed to be tied to each other. (Grace notes are sort of special creatures, since they play the same duration regardless of the note's printed duration.)
IIRC NWC plays grace notes as 32nd notes...