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Title: NWC - the big picture?
Post by: hmmueller on 2015-12-14 09:43 am
I've wanted to write something about the "big picture" for some time now - the discussion about enharmonic audit has finally pushed me to do so. Maybe it stirs up some discussion - but maybe, we get some answers or thoughts from the "Noteworthy product drivers".

With 2.75's objects, big possibilities have arrived - as can be seen from the contributions. I have now gotten my most important wish via the "CueHeads" object, and I feel now more confident that I can create the scores I wish with acceptable effort.
However, we have now, I believe, a quite foggy vision of what Noteworthy Composer actually is or wants to be. With version 2.51, I thought I would offer my hand to create a German version - I find the product so much better and easier to use than other competing "not so high cost" score programs (Cappella is the main one used here in Germany) that this seemed a worthwhile undertaking.

However, when I saw 2.75, I dropped that idea: The reason is that NWC now suddenly looks like a "hodge-podge of features," which might be hard to explain. And with a currently non-existing German [added later - sorry] user community (save for me and maybe a few others), explaining various tricks to a typical user might be hard. Here are some examples:

Instead of considering all these features and their problems, the question behind all this is, in my opinion, more fundamental: Namely, "Where does NWC want to go?" (with regards to score printing - there is another topic which is playback, which I'll briefly touch below).

Possible answers to the "quo vadis" question are, in my opinion:

(A) NWC is now, and remains an environment for plugins where some interested people can provide many good solutions to various problems of score printing; with the assumption that users will work on their understanding of these plugins (be it user tools or objects).

(B) NWC continues to strive to be a compact (and also in the future very affordable) and efficient (from the point of the user) program. In this case, the "hodge-podge" resulting from the user tool and (NWC and user provided) objects is, in my opinion, unacceptable. E.g., looking for "slurs" in the documentation would not give average users a good solution, because better objects exist outside the core program. Looking for "cue heads" wouldn't give users a solution at all, because the only way to get them is via the CueHead object; similarly, users would not find out how to print repeated copyright notes. But, to give objects and - to a lesser extent? - user tools their credit (very much so!), the "community approach" to improving the functions might be part of a valuable and - to say it loud - cost-effective process which, after some users have praised a certain plug-in (user tool or object), might lead to a quick integration into the Noteworthy program, thereby using (a) the knowledge about what is a valuable addition; and (b) the algorithmic knowledge in the plug-in (if the author of the plug-in agrees).

(C) NWC strives to become a feature-complete program, which can do e.g. everything along the lines of Elaine Gould's "Behind Bars." For the first time, this seems to be possible - but the big question is whether NWC actually should try to accomplish this. New feature blocks that would be needed for this would probably be concepts for "multi-score printing" (printing of large works consisting of several movements or pieces or "sections"), which would probably require that almost every option could be enabled/disabled per section. I fear that such a "can-do-all vision" would lead to (a) increased pricing - which would probably kill NWC because there are other companies and programs out there occupying the "next higher price range" successfully - and (b) worse usability, because many more options would become necessary.

My heartful hope is that (B) is the way to go. This might lead to the effect that each new NWC version has "no new functionality at all", because all which is in (say) 2.85 already was provided by 2.75 plug-ins. Yet, the new 2.85 would be much better integrated and hence still worth it.

Finally, a few remarks on playback: Almost all of us NWC users need MIDI file export, i.e., "rendering the score" into a useful MIDI file. My attempts to think about how to play trills in another thread lead me to the conclusion that also there, some features are missing. For example, grace notes currently take their time off the following note (start playing on the beat), whereas in many cases (since 1820 or so), playing them as a "Vorschlag" - before the beat - would be preferable. Also here, one can ponder whether (a) the necessary features should be included in NWC; or (b) they are provided by plugins (e.g. the Trills object). In contrast to the "score features", I would opt here for "plugin-ing:" Those users who do not want plugins can do everything by meticuously writing hidden "playback staffs". Other users can use plugins that render printed score features like trills or arpeggions into acceptable or even perfect sounds.

Returning to the overall picture: With (B) above - i.e., NWC continues to try to integrate new features into the core program, even if they are provided satisfactorily or even perfectly via plugins -, I might again be tempted to create that German version (if this is technically possible at all) - i.e., continue to consider NWC as the great tool it has been for me for the last 15 years!

Regards
Harald M.
Title: Re: NWC - the big picture?
Post by: Warren Porter on 2015-12-14 11:45 am
It is true there are many user tools, it can be a problem for a new user to become familiar with them: when to use and how.  Also, in choral music, it is far from intuitive (much less built in) how to use four staves in the fugue and just two staves in the chorale.  E.g.: two staves for the Alto part and avoiding slur, tie, note, and accidental collisions when layering.  Tuples over 3 still require work arounds.
Title: Re: NWC - the big picture?
Post by: William Ashworth on 2015-12-14 04:40 pm
Thank you, Harald, for an extremely well-thought-through and well-written critique of the program we all love. I concur with everything you've said, and I'm also pinning my hopes on (B).

The one thing I might add is that (B) might be accomplishable through better integration of plug-ins into the program, rather than requiring them to actually be part of it. I've referred previously to Paint.net as an example of how to do it right: if you haven't checked it out, it's worth a look, especially if you work with images to any extent. When you add a plug-in to Paint.net, it simply appears in the appropriate menu, and its functions are indistinguishable from the functions of the core program: the dialogue boxes and submenus look the same and work the same, and the features interact fully with the features of the program. In NWC, what that would mean is that, for example, slurs produced by a plug-in would be controllable by everything that would control a native slur, and they would also have the same effect on the sound as a native slur. If that were the case, it wouldn't really matter to the average user whether a particular feature was a core function or a plug-in; the only thing that would count is how well it did its job.

Eric is already moving NWC that direction. Plug-ins can affect the sound (Mike's trills and tremolos are an example), and they are controlled by dialogue boxes that at least bear a resemblance to the native dialogues. (Those of us who worked with the betas can easily remember the first User Object dialogues, which were pretty geek-heavy; they've since improved dramatically.) And many of the best plug-ins are currently installed automatically along with the program, omitting the need to search out a separate download and install it in order to accomplish those functions. Perhaps what is most needed at this point is encouragement to continue along this path.

Bill
Title: Re: NWC - the big picture?
Post by: hmmueller on 2015-12-15 08:19 am
Thanks for your comments.

I obviously missed a fourth option, which seems to be the perfect one and is, if I understand it correctly, pursued by the NWC team:

(B') Integrate objects so well that they appear to be part of the program. Great!

Now, in my opinion this would mean for an object:


... all this is just loud thinking to get a grip on this wonderful tool with its contributions that help me - but (with my vision of a new group of users which might not be able to take part in English discussions) also all users that "just want to use the program without being in the community".

So, thanks for the comments, and I hope I did not "require" anything, just point out one user's view of how to think about NWC.

Harald M.