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Title: Grand staff slur
Post by: Flurmy on 2014-05-22 08:36 am
I hate when I have to reinvent the wheel.
I'm sure I already solved this problem but my memory doesn't collaborate.

I need to draw a slur on a grand staff (see attachement).
I did it, but I'm unable to stop the slur where I need.

My best result so far is as follows.

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Anyone with a better solution?
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Flurmy on 2014-05-22 01:58 pm
Sic!
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Richard Woodroffe on 2014-05-22 02:12 pm
If you don't mind another staff, you might want to try :

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Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Richard Woodroffe on 2014-05-22 02:35 pm
Or without an extra staff, you might prefer :

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
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Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Rick G. on 2014-05-22 04:41 pm
Quote from: Flurmy –
I need to draw a slur on a grand staff (see attachement).
I did it, but I'm unable to stop the slur where I need.
Anyone with a better solution?
There is no solution with 2 staves. The first note on the top staff at m55 ends a slur. The first note on the bottom staff at m56 starts a slur.
Since NWC cannot end a slur and start a new one on the same item, a slur cannot start at m55 and end on the first note of m56.
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Flurmy on 2014-05-22 07:15 pm
Well, my hope was to stop the slur on the hidden grace note or something alike.

Are you saying that I can't remember the solution because there's no (simple) solution? :-)
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Rick G. on 2014-05-22 07:19 pm
Quote from: Flurmy –
Are you saying that I can't remember the solution because there's no (simple) solution? :-)
Yes. There as no easy solutions.
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Richard Woodroffe on 2014-05-22 07:32 pm
Quote from: Flurmy –
Well, my hope was to stop the slur on the hidden grace note or something alike.

As I said to you in my second posting
Quote
Or without an extra staff, you might prefer

This is a cheat to stop the slur - but not with a grace note. It does not use an extra staff but is OK for the music as you showed it in the picture.

Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Rick G. on 2014-05-22 07:50 pm
Quote from: Richard Woodroffe –
As I said to you in my second posting
This is a cheat to stop the slur - but not with a grace note. It does not use an extra staff but is OK for the music as you showed it in the picture.
You missed the slur on the lower staff at m56.
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Richard Woodroffe on 2014-05-22 07:59 pm
Oh yes, sorry - in that case it has to be the extra layered staff method.
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Rick G. on 2014-05-22 09:43 pm
Back to your original picture and question, if I needed something easy to sight read and reasonably easy to maintain, I'd do something like the attachment.
Title: Re: Grand staff slur
Post by: Flurmy on 2014-05-23 08:35 pm
Ok, extra staff (staves) needed.
Thank you.
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