Found the following irritation...
The first bar
should, in my view, look like the second...
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble|OctaveShift:None|Color:0|Visibility:Default
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4|Color:0|Visibility:Default
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=2|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:-3,-2
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-4,1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar|Style:Single|XBarCnt:N|SysBreak:N|Color:0|Visibility:Default
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=2|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:-3,-2
|Text|Text:" "|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:3|Wide:Y
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-4,1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
The quaver in the top voice should not appear to be directly chorded with the semibreve chord in the lower voice. The second bar has some white space added to correct the appearance.
Concur. This clip:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:-3,-2
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:b-1|Opts:Stem=Up
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
makes it more obvious.
Not a big problem, IMO. One is unlikely to have so many RestChord Whole Note seconds in a piece that they can't be fixed by hand. Usually, NWC2 forces too much space between notes.
Anyone have an opinion about the horizontal rest position? Should it be centered over the note cluster?
G'day Rick,
Several times I've had occasion to think that NWC should make the right side of such note clusters the reference point for this kind of thing rather than the left side.
Hi Lawrie,
The problem is that you have a "Text Expression" in the 11th line of your code.
(|Text|Text:" "|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:3|Wide:Y)
If you block the whole G note you will see it. Just delete after blocking and you will see the spacing is now equal. See below.
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble|OctaveShift:None|Color:0|Visibility:Default
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4|Color:0|Visibility:Default
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=2|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:-3,-2
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-4,1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar|Style:Single|XBarCnt:N|SysBreak:N|Color:0|Visibility:Default
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Slur|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=2|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:-3,-2
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-4,1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Carl
Hi Carl,
Thanks for the input mate but I think you missed the point. I used the text entry to demonstrate how the bar
should look.
The first bar is wrong. The second shows where and how it's wrong.
Lawrie put the text in to show how he thinks it
should look. Removing it would defeat his purpose.
The bug/feature is that RestChords only preserve width for the Rest portion, causing too little space if the Chord portion is especially wide. See my post on Squashing UpFlags (https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5868.msg39030#msg39030) for why, IMO this is more a feature than a bug. UpFlags are much more numerous than RestChords with Whole Note Second intervals. You can always work around this with some text, or if there are no accidentals, with some extra note space.
G'day Rick,
Hmm, I see your point, but if the rest aligned with the rightmost note (as I believe is should) instead of the leftmost one then there'd be no problem anyhow...
You can always layer:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,XNoteSpace=1,Muted|Dur2:Whole|Pos2:-2z
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem,VertOffset=-2000|Dur2:8th|Pos2:3
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-3,2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-4,1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
with:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Chord|Dur:Whole|Pos:-3,-2
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
to get what
you want.
RestChord seconds are tough to find, but the one I did find was on the last page of Debussy's
Valse romantique!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble|Visibility:Never
|Key|Signature:Bb|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|RestChord|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-6,-3,-2,b0
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
G. Schirmer's typesetter's do it just like NWC2
Sorry, can't concur. I could be convinced, but I'd have to see some scans.
G'day Rick,
Here is the relevant part of the score I was working from. It's an arrangement of "The Lord's Prayer", though not my favourite...
Your scan is from a computer generated score. The vertical placement of the 8th rest is obviously wrong. If the software used can't grasp the simple concept that rests within a staff must be moved in even increments from the default position, I wouldn't rely on it to inform me of proper horizontal position.
That said, I think we are both right. Consider:
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:Whole|Pos:-3,-2,1x|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:Whole|Pos:-9x,-6,-3,-2,b0|Opts:Stem=Up
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Here we have simple chords with an X-head standing in for the rest and the stem direction set away from the 'rest'.
When I am in doubt about what a split duration chord should look like I often check to see what NWC2 does with it as a simple (single duration) chord.
G'day Rick,
Fair call. But you never actually specified "proper engraved sources" ;)