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Title: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-03-19 02:05 am

please tell me what you think

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: Lawrie Pardy on 2007-03-19 03:39 am

G'day Christian,
For me it works.

But I'm probably not the best person to advise you May I suggest you look at the NG? Dr. Zorba regularly posts Fugues from JSB and I consider him quite an authority on this form...

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-03-23 09:58 pm

the thought of atempting to match bach makes me wimper inside

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: fitzclan on 2007-03-23 10:31 pm

You know "Cool" from West Side Story (Leonard Bernstein) is a fugue. Not to take anything away from JS Bach, but personally I would rather listen to a jazzy fugue than a dirgey ( yeah, not a word, I know) one. The style is certainly worth delving into, but while there are certain things intrinsic to a fugue, it is not as limited ( or strict) in form as usually comes to mind. Almost anything Bach is quite formal and strict to its type, but certainly any genere, wether classical, jazz, or hip-hop can fugue. (I think!)

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: David Palmquist on 2007-03-23 10:49 pm

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: Rick G. on 2007-03-24 12:22 am

David: You can't use XNoteSpace this way. The notes won't align vertically when justified. Add Force System Break to the last barline to see what happens. Instead use:

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|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=First,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=7,Beam=End,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted
|Bar
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as the second staff.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: David Palmquist on 2007-03-24 07:20 am

Your way beats mine, Rick. Nicely done.

In my defence, mine does work as long as you don't use a forced system break until you are at the last bar of the song.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-04-13 10:24 pm

well this is certainly more baroque sounding, i don't know if i'd call it dirgy

(p.s, it's not really finished yet)

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: fitzclan on 2007-04-14 06:48 pm

Christian, after re-reading my post I realize that I came off rather badly. I don't mean to be discouraging. I must say that I rather like your 3rd part. The back melody is much easier to follow while the other ornamentation adds interest. I can get my head around it so to speak. My first thoughts on the first part is that it seems muddy which may be a function of the instrumentation, or the main melody may be too nebulous, or there simply may be too much going on or it might just be me. It seems to me a bit difficult to follow. We all have our likes and dislikes. I am partial to a good melody over intricate (or baroquie?) intertwinings of parts, (not that Baroque music can't be melodic), where someone else may be more attracted by harmonies, good lyrics, beat or textural complexity. All music is rendered good or bad by opinion so it is good to ask the opinion of others and hopefully they will be honest in their estimations. I think that a study of the fugue can be very fruitful to the composer of any type of music. Keep up the good work! In my opinion you have improved greatly already.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-04-15 02:29 am

ah well there's the problem, i love baroque-like (baroquey? Baroquesk? baroquik maybe?) melodic interaction and its what i was aiming for. personally i think the as yet incomplete and unnamed 3 part piece is better both melodically and interactively than the 4 part one posted earlier, but good melody is something i've never really been good at, unfortunately.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-05-10 11:45 pm

here's another song, counterpoint was driving me insane

p.s i wrote this on a yahmaha sound font, so sorry if the insturment choice sounds a bit off

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: fitzclan on 2007-05-11 03:21 am

Hey Christian, I like it! The melody sticks and the percussion adds a nice dimension. They go well together. Nice work. -

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: Lawrie Pardy on 2007-05-11 07:27 am

Quote from: Christian Grantz – 2007-05-10 11:45 pm

p.s i wrote this on a yahmaha sound font, so sorry if the insturment choice sounds a bit off

I listened to it on one, so it sounds just fine.

BTW I concur with fitzclan

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-05-27 04:04 am

maybe something simpler?

p.s the guitar should be assinged a quieter dynamic if your listening with a standard soundfont

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-07-11 05:08 am

i hope this doesn't sound too much like pachelbel's cannon

p.s again, it sounds best on yahmaha

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: kahman on 2007-07-12 01:31 am

You may want to put the instrument names in. Also, you may want to add information, such as who wrote the piece (I should hope you!) and such.
The first 3 notes do sound like Pachelbel's canon. :-) The rest doesn't.
Although the Right Hand part is probably just as boring as the cello part in Pachelbel's canon. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-07-12 02:19 am

that video was hilarious, thank you. and yes i wrote (and am still wirting) that piece. but i am somewhat at aloss as to what i should label the parts, they are almost all synths.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: Lawrie Pardy on 2007-07-12 02:50 am

Quote from: Christian Grantz – 2007-07-12 02:19 am

that video was hilarious, thank you. and yes i wrote (and am still wirting) that piece.

Concur - very funny indeed :)

Quote

but i am somewhat at aloss as to what i should label the parts, they are almost all synths.

umm maybe:
Synth 1
Synth 2
Synth 3
Synth 4
...

;)

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-07-12 03:42 am

how is this?

Another thing, what should i call it?

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: kahman on 2007-07-12 11:19 am

I liked the original name-Canon Rip-Off. ;-)
Also, you should probably label the percussion instruments. If I were you, I would make a "sight-only" percussion part that would be displayed, and hide the one that you currently have.
Here's some reference:

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|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
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|Text|Text:"Bass Drum"|Font:StaffLyric|Pos:-3|Wide:Y
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-5X|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5x|Opts:Stem=Down
|Text|Text:"Cymbal"|Font:StaffLyric|Pos:-6|Wide:Y
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Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-07-15 05:24 am

well, it's (more or less) done

a sight only drum part would be useful, except i've disliked every drummer that i've met in person so i wish to make life hard for them.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: kahman on 2007-07-15 12:42 pm

Wanting to punish percussionists (we're used to it, don't worry) is one thing, but having a part that's virtually unplayable is another!

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: kahman on 2007-07-15 12:45 pm

I won't take any offense at your comment. Having an unlabeled part and a MIDI file is most likely better than having an 1000-measure rest. (Haven't come across many of those, but there must be some.)

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: Timoteus B on 2007-07-15 01:47 pm

Once upon a time they used to have musicians and a drummer playing
live.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-07-15 02:51 pm

hmm, i guess i really must label the drums then, thing is, i don't actually know the names of the ones i used.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: Timoteus B on 2007-07-15 03:29 pm

Maybe something original like Steve,Ringo or even Buddy, sort of in memory of.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: K.A.T. on 2007-07-15 06:25 pm

Quote

an 1000-measure rest. (Haven't come across many of those, but there must be some.)

Beethoven, Symphony Nr.9 - Trombones I & II enter in m.603...of mvmt.IV - that's a lot of "resting"...

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: fitzclan on 2007-07-15 07:52 pm

Hey Christian,
Nice work. I was playing around with the Cannon and found that by moving the notes up from D in the original left hand piano part, to B, you will still keep in harmony while taking away the Pachelbel sound to the piece. Also I have noticed that you seldom use time signatures, even in your finished pieces on the Scripto. Any special reason for that?

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-07-15 10:07 pm

i'm lazy, but i thought i had at least put a C time signature on the ones i put on the scripto. i guess i'll take a look

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-08-31 06:33 am

any thoughts?

Title: Re: poor viola!
Post by: Warren Porter on 2007-08-31 12:34 pm

Just a few observations if I may: Rather than a trio you have the viola and cello accompaning the violin. Also the viola is asked to do impossible things such as play below its lowest open string (2^nd space C on bass clef) and hold a triad for an entire measure. Even a major 2^nd is quite difficult to reach and play in tune unless one of the notes is an open string. When more than two strings are played in the same chord, the chord will be rolled; i.e. the bottom and middle notes would be grace notes while only the top two notes would be sustained.

It had a good melody and I'm looking forwards to the revision.

Title: Re: outside opinion
Post by: C.E.G on 2007-09-01 07:27 pm

this is why i stick with synths, i only remember the ranges and transpositions of about a third of the orchestreal insturments

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