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Title: Midi in/out
Post by: Jack Schmidling on 2003-10-24 01:44 am
So I now have a USB interface to work between laptop and Casio CTK491.

I can send keyboard to NWC in either record or one at a time mode but I am dissappointed to find that I can not send the "Song Book" music.  It just plays and nothing happens.  I really wanted to do this function but I guess it will not let me.

The other problem is, I can not send NWC stuff to the keyboard which has a MIDI IN jack into which is plugged the appropriate DIN plug from the interface.  Not sure why I would want to do this other than better sound than from my lap top.

Is there some special command to go from computer to keyboard?

js
Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: Robert A. on 2003-10-24 01:58 am
Jack, I don't have your hardware, and I'm not an expert on MIDI interface, so the usefulness of my advice is limited. Until someone more knowledgeable replies:

Many keyboards have built-in sounds that they will not send out on MIDI. For example, if I were to play piano along with the built-in Samba accompaniment on my low-end Yamaha keyboard, only the piano key strokes go out as MIDI. The Samba music does not. That's not the fault of NWC or of your MIDI interface. Yamaha wants to keep the accompaniment in the bottle.

Similarly, if I send MIDI to the keyboard, it will only play a limited number of notes at a time (in practice, enough to make chords on a single track). Also, no matter how I set up the MIDI, the keyboard plays whatever "instrument" corresponds to the button I push on the keyboard itself. If the MIDI says "organ" and I press the "flute" button, I get synth flute. It may be that a higher-end keyboard would honor instrument types in the MIDI.
Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: jack schmidling on 2003-10-24 04:24 am
Thanks for the reply.  I guess the song book is just digital music like a CD and has nothing to do with MIDI so NWF does not have a clue.

But I am still curious about the MIDI input to the keyboard from the computer interface.  What would one do with this?

js
Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: Barry Graham on 2003-10-24 11:04 am
Jack,

Check the "MIDI Implementation Chart" in the keyboard manual.
Does the keyboard respond to the following controllers:-

124 Omni Off
125 Omni On
126 Mono Mode
127 Polyphonic Mode

If it does it may be possible to set the keyboard to receive and play multi-channel files from the computer through the MIDI IN on your keyboard.
There may be a way of doing this from the keyboard control buttons, otherwise you will have to send the controller messages from the computer.
You would have to reset to get back to Local mode but I guess that's the boot-up mode of the keyboard.
There may also be a limit to the number of channels that the keyboard can receive.

If the manual doesn't mention these controllers or modes it is unlikely that you will be able to do it.

Barry Graham
Top Brass Events Band
Melbourne, Australia
Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: NoteWorthy Online on 2003-10-24 12:23 pm
It is unusual to get the Keyboard output into NWC working, but have trouble getting the NWC output into the keyboard working. Using a keyboard for input to NWC is usually the hard part.

As for getting NWC to play to your keyboard, there are two areas to consider:

Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: Steve S on 2003-10-24 01:03 pm
Noteworthy has been on my computer for about a week now and I am still very much at the experimentation phase.  One of my hopes was to export midi to my keyboard.  Strange to find this conversation today.

I see the comments about prepping the keyaboard but what I do not see, as js requested I believe, is how to activate a "midi send" command.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

SS
Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: Fred Nachbaur on 2003-10-25 03:06 am
Well, there is no "midi send command" per se. You merely have to select the appropriate device to send the midi stream to your external keyboard instead of the internal synth on the soundcard. This device will usually have a name such as "MPU-401 External Midi" or "Brand X External Midi" etc.

From NWC you can either select the device directly (via Tools | Options | Midi tab), or else choose the "Midi Mapper." If you choose the Midi Mapper, whatever you have assigned as the default Windows midi device (via Control Panel | Multimedia | Midi tab) will be applied within NWC.
Title: Re: Midi in/out
Post by: raymorr on 2003-12-02 08:34 am
yes the reply about midi player in the control pannel was just the answer I was looking for, now everything works great, thanks. It was wierd that I just came to this forum and the answer to my problem was right there in front of me/ Thanks and have many great days. Ray