I'm really curious on what the hell is happening to this server so frequently.
440 No posting!
The problem has recovered...
... or not...
It's down again...
>I guess Ezusa is entirely dead?
I think the reply meant that it is still alive, but they have no "support". Which is probably accurate. ;-)
I've sent one to postmaster and not received any prompt replies. I'll wait and see what happens next.
A
Hey! You guys fixed it! ;-)
The ng is still out of response. What's the condition with other users?
No activity here either. Unable to connect to server.
Sarah
Same. Netscape 6.1b1 reports "Connection refused by server" even when checking for unread messages.
No connection possible here either for the last three days... is someone in touch with EZUSA and can give us a status?
Sue
I decided to be the one who hits the nail with his head and have just e-mailed Ezusa about the situation.
Curious if they will respond.
What aquick response!
<From "System Administrator":>
Your message
To: support@ezusa.net
Subject: new.ezusa.net/ntworthy.nwc
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:24:07 -0500
did not reach the following recipient(s):
support@ezusa.net on Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:22:45 -0500
The recipient name is not recognized
The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=american
systems;l=EZUSA010107312322P9J2G628
MSEXCH:IMS:American Systems:EZUSA:EZUSA01 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient
</From "System Administrator">
I guess Ezusa is entirely dead?
Or not - as the case may be.
Yesterday's brief flurry of activity was just a tease to keep us interested.
Rich
1 Aug, 2001, 0945 hours
I got in. Reading message now. Was concerned ezusa mighta been caught by the Code Red worm.
7pm BST. Once again no activity. I could access this morning! Bout 6 as I recall! GRR...I don't remember it ever being THIS bad!
After having worked for about half an hour, it's dead now (August 2, 2001 Thu, 00:04 GMT +2)
...it's however "accessible" but I'm unable to post.
Still no chance here, haven't even had the brief moments of success y'all have enjoyed...
I had problems a few days ago when I connected to the newsgroup and all my NWC mailbox was inexplicably deleted - I've connected on and off since then, and the mail was filling up again and downloading fine (sporadically). For the first time today, just now, it looked as if all was working again, and on clicking on "get all mail" instead of downloading anything, all my folder was once again wiped out- what on earth is happening? (all my options are as they have always been)
- Ann (even more perplexed!)
I've seen weird things like this also (using Netscape). Once it reported 88 unread messages but wouldn't display them (later it turned out there were only 5 unread messages). Another time I had the same thing happen, apparently all message headers gone... but reappeared when the server was in one of its rare moments of coherence.
I suspect all will be well again once it's all running properly. If not, we'll all just have to unsubscribe/resubscribe.
Why do we need the newsgroup? Can't we just use this forum? I don't know... I'm just asking, but the forum has never crashed!!
My take on this is that the two resources fill different needs; the forum tends to be more technical, and gets archived by NoteWorthy Software into the offline version which can be accessed as a Windows Help file. OTOH, the newsgroup tends to be more casual, and has the benefit of allowing file attachments. It has more of a "chat room" feel to it, whereas the forum should - in my opinion - be more of a reference resource.
Yahooo, It's up again.
Andreas,
It isn't,now! 22:10 03/08.
Sarah
Hmm, isn't responding again. *Sigh*
Can someone explain the difference between Ezusa and Usenet?
Maybe switching the group to usenet is the answer.
The WHOIS for ezusa.net lists as Administrative, Technical, and Billing contact:
Porter, Matt (MP2346) matt@AMERICANSYS.COM
American Systems
5424 Rufe Snow #320
Fort Worth, TX 76180
(817)485-6547 (FAX) (817)485-2193
Has anyone contacted him?
A new statistic for Richards list.
"The last message ever posted on the NWC newsgroup - Peanutjake 3 Aug 2001 - (NG R.I.P.)"
Let's hope not !
I hope all is restored very soon - I'm beginning to get this urge to do gardening and an overpowering craving for sherbert.
Are these classic withdrawal symptoms?
- Ann
Good Grief!
I leave you all on your own for a week, and you've gone and broken the newsgroup!
I was hoping that I wouldn't have too much catching up to do when I got back, but this is silly.
Jason.
If you're looking for something else to do, you can always try to improve your rogues gallery score :-)
Rich.
Newsgroup still OTL from here...
The company that owns EZUSA.NET has a support e-mail: support@americansys.com
Do we have an official contact to interface with Ezusa? (I'd assume it would be somebody paying the bill) ... If I can help let me know, I'd be happy to start e-mailing around and see who I can scare up.
Sue
FWIW, tracert to news.ezusa.net works from here, but that's all...
Still down, 19:45 BST (GMT+1). Been down the past two days and only one message showed on Friday.
Geoff
Walt,
The group isn't on USENET for one pertinent reason - SPAM. If this group were on USENET, rather than the independent server it is now, it would be swamped with spam like 90% of USENET is now. I know this is frustrating, but I would rather wait until it's fixed, than have to wade through adverts for penis enhancements and porn.
Sarah
P.S. As of 9pm BST, it's STILL down!
The one and only cure for SPAM is a moderated group. (eg, soc.religion.islam on the Usenet and turkmusikisi at yahoogroups are moderated to name two)
However, a moderated group would be 'overkill' for Eric. Another idea may be starting a user sponsored (unofficial as the Scripto is) moderated yahoogroup.
Oh, well. I was going to premiere my piano concerto on esuza, but I guess I'll have to give it to the New York Philharmonic now.
Well, Walt. All I can say is that ezusa has always come back from the dead before. But I'd have to add that this is the longest it has been down for.
If you (or anyone else) wants to show off your piano concerto in the mean time, you only need upload it somewhere and post the URL for it on this forum.
The Scriptorium is still up and working and anybody wanting to send me NWC files is very welcome to do so.
Please visit http://www.vadu.com/nwc/submit.html for details.
Andrew
Well, it's Monday morning, 8/6, and the NG is still down. I'm not sure when the last time I was able to get into it. the latest DATE I can find is the 1st. I am beginning to wonder if ezusa didn't get hit by the Code Red worm. It is supposed to have shwon up in a couple of variants.
I still say, we need to do something EXTREMELY drastic to the miscreants that create/launch these malicious programs. The vikings had an execution method I find appropriate for the effects these vandals cause. The Vikings would slit a man's bely open and nail a loop of his small bowel to a post. Then they would drive him to run in circles around the post until he had disemboweled himself. Maybe a couple of these - simulcast on CNN and the web would go some distance towards towards curbing such behavior.
I am not really serious about disemboweling the creators of viruses and the like but I am serious that the WORLD needs to get serious about prosecuting such crime. A single virus can cost MILLIONS or even THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS (billions?) of dollars world wide. They drive up the cost of goods and services on a global scale. Every nation that wants/expects to be part ot the community of nations must agree to punish such activities severely. If Outer Slobovia refuses to prosecute/punish a virus creator living in their borders, then their loans to the wold bank equal to the estimated damage can be called in. I thing the threat of wrecking the economy of Outer Slobovia would get the Slobovian officials' attentions.
Or not, as the case may be.
Rant over.
Alright, I can't stand it any longer!
I have e-mailed both support and matt at americansys.com, we'll see what (if anything) they have to say to me. I made it clear I was a user only and could be safely ignored if someone in more authority is in touch with them over the server. I hope that disclaimer will suffice for my meddling! :>
Had a reply back from Matt Porter right away. Here's what he had to say:
We are having quite a bit of trouble with our newsgroup server. We installed the Code Red patch that prevents that nasty worm from spreading. But for some odd reason it made the newsgroup server go haywire.
It's been my life day and night for over a week to get this back up and running. I'm guess worst case we are a day or two away from being 100% up.
Thanks for checking in.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Matt Porter
American Systems
So, I guess we hang in there, us nwc newsgroupies! :> Can you imagine, getting hit with the PATCH to the worm??? Egads...
Gee Sue, you must have asked him really nicely, 'cos he didn't reply to my e-mail to support@ezusa.net
Either way, the server is back up and running now.
Agreed, how ironic for it to be down because of an installed PATCH! But that must mean that they are running a Microsoft server. Bad idea.
> 'cos he didn't reply to my e-mail to support@ezusa.net
I got that reply:
<repost>
<From "System Administrator":>
Your message
To: support@ezusa.net
Subject: new.ezusa.net/ntworthy.nwc
Sent: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:24:07 -0500
did not reach the following recipient(s):
support@ezusa.net on Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:22:45 -0500
The recipient name is not recognized
The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=us;a= ;p=american
systems;l=EZUSA010107312322P9J2G628
MSEXCH:IMS:American Systems:EZUSA:EZUSA01 0 (000C05A6) Unknown Recipient
</From "System Administrator">
</repost>
2:30 AM GMT + 2:00
Down again...
KNEW it was too good to last!
I can download messages but cannot post!
'441 (620) Article Rejected -- Insertion into group (null) of article (null) failed.'
Anyone facing this?
(21:45 GMT + 2:00)
I can't even access the server. :-(
-- Andreas
Today I can read, but I get an error when I try to post.
Wait till you hear my latest "Kidney Pie."
I can't access the server either today. :(
Maybe it will force me to get around to submitting some stuff to the Scriptorium.
Are there any other sites available to host just the news group?
Why exactly is this happening?
For the record, I cannot access by 2:25 AM GMT + 2:00
To Franklin:
Actually, ezusa.net has been more stable and reliable than the previous service we had, believe it or not. This current bout of illness and ill-temper is highly unusual.
As to why it's happening -- see Sue Morton's post in Reply 41 above. Now isn't that just the height of irony! It's down because of bugs in the patch that's supposed to protect against Code Red. The quintessential microsoft joke...
It seems that the ng resurrects at the day time (GMT) up to evening and dies at night.
Well it was down from last night through most of today (GMT) for me. There was only a small window this evening.
Rich
Well - I had downloaded the latest 84 messages earlier, and just thought I would collect any others quickly before reading through them, - connected to the site, clicked on "synchronise newsgroup" and zap - all the messages in my folder disappeared. This is about the 4th time it's happened. I'm really confused. How do I get them back? Why does it happen? (using Outlook Extinguisher)
Totally perplexed,
Ann
By 1:30 AM (GMT + 2:00), the group is back alive for another unpredictable period of time.
...False alarm.
I tried to post something. Didn^t post, didn't deny either. Silent as dead.
To interject a bit of good news into an otherwise gloomy thread: Netscape 6.1 has officially been released! It's gorgeous... they really should have waited for this rather than release the silly (and buggy) 6.0/6.01 nonsense. Also got rid of some rather glaring bugs in the beta.
Netscape 6.1 info (http://home.netscape.com/browsers/6/index.html)
Don't want to register after installing? Just click Cancel.
I would upgrade to the latest Netscape but am afraid to because everytime I do I cannot hear MIDI files. It says something about octet stream and there is no plug in available. I download Crescendo and get the same message and still cannot hear MIDI files. No point in me upgrading if I can't hear them since that is what my website focuses on, so I stick with Communicator 4.77 and have no problems hearing MIDI files. If I could find out what I need to hear MIDI files with Netscape 6 family I would upgrade.
The newsgroup administrator probably installed the patch incorrectly, from what I read there were some important steps to go through to make sure it worked and if you didn't install the patch properly the cure could be worse than the disease. This is probably what happened. If they didn't install the patch correctly the worm could still have gotten in from an infected user who didn't know they were infected, and then they could have tried to remove the worm which ALSO has a few steps you must pay attention to and do so that it can be effectively quarantined and gotten rid of. In any case they are probably going to need to call in an expert to get whatever they messed up fixed again.
Here are two URLs about the Sircam worm for instance, notice the steps you have to go through and if you don't go through all those steps properly it won't work:
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.removal.tool.html
Jill wrote: "... I would upgrade to the latest Netscape but am afraid to because everytime I do I cannot hear MIDI files. It says something about octet stream and there is no plug in available."
I assume you had trouble with 6.0 or 6.01. You and everyone else, because the "helper applications" thingie didn't work right. This has been fixed in 6.1 and you can assign mime types and file extensions as desired. I associated midis with Vanbasco, works fine.
Also, since it's so different from 4.x, it installs in a completely different directory and puts its profiles in a different place also. You can have both versions on your system with no interaction between them (I do). It initially imports your 4.x profile, but from then on the two versions are independent and cohabitate very peacefully.
Fred
Ok Fred, sounds good, will download 6.1 and see how it goes.
Still not working, can't hear MIDI files with Netscape 6.1.
For the posterity:
The newsgroup is dead by 1:00 AM GMT + 2:00
Does Netscape 6.1:
1. Take up more or less space than 4.7?
2. Support Style sheats?
3. Support XML?
4. Take even long to do things than 4.7?
5. Contain Netscape composer?
I'm acessing everyday from Brazil and haven't got a problem on this forum, is this a local problem?
anyhow, can't you stop saying each time you can't connect here? I'm getting tired of more and more replies that says the time of your problems, get over yourselves, find something useful to do with the internet other than noting down each time you can't connect!
People are useing the forum to talk about the newsgroup that they can't connect to.
No one has a proble connecting to the forum.
Was out of town for a couple of days last week and when i came back, I was able to download from the NG. However over the weekend the group quit downloading anything new and on Monday(?) all the entries in the NG's folder on my PC vanished. Now I've gotted two emails that i suspect to be Sicam bugs. I wonder if it got my email address for the NG?
I'm being patient.
>>> No one has a proble connecting to the forum.
Maybe, but try posting an NWC file here.
It could either be Sircam or Code Red, those are the two hot potatoes right now.
About a week ago I was really bombarded with Sircam emails on an email account I use for online purposes; they come with large attachments, but I never open them. I run Norton every day, which checks for Sircam. Even though it takes longer to send and receive mail, it is worth it to set up your anti-virus program to scan all email. And I have one email address I never ever use online for any reason, and it never gets spam or sircam emails.
Newsgroup is different from the forum Arthur, I for one like to know when others who post in the newsgroup can't get in, so I don't think it's on my end somehow.
As for Netscape 6.1 I spent a good part of the afternoon trying to get it to work with Crescendo, now it is working but it only plays parts of the MIDI files. I don't have that problem with 4.77 Communicator so will stick with that for web browsing. Will be using 6.1's Composer though, that program is alot better for creating web pages.
FranMan asked:
Does Netscape 6.1:
1. Take up more or less space than 4.7?
Less. But with the qualification that if you count the Sun Java 2 runtime engine, then it takes up a bit more. The base download (without java) is just under 10 megs.
2. Support Style sheats?
Yes.
3. Support XML?
Yes.
4. Take even long to do things than 4.7?
No. The beta and the (what I call) alphas 6.0 and 6.01 were horribly sluggish but the 6.1 release seems to render webpages a lot faster then 4.7x
5. Contain Netscape composer?
Yes.
About Crescendo -- just to see if it's gotten any better I downloaded the 5.1 version. As Jill reported, it would not properly play some midi files (Netscape 6.1). So I removed it, and reinstalled into Netscape 4.78; it was marginally better, but still didn't play all tracks of some midis (notably my "The Bridge" midi on my website).
I suspect it's a system resources issue; if you have a dense midi (as The Bridge, with all its pitch bends) you need a screaming fast computer to keep up with it all -- especially under Netscape 6 which does require more system resources.
Crescendo? Bah. Uninstall, dit, done. Back to my native soundcard and VanBasco midi player as browser plugin, which hasn't failed me yet.
Ho hum - yawn
I guess I'll have to get round to using NoteWorthy if I can't use the forum ;-(
Did you spot the deliberate mistake ?
Yes, feel free to use the forum...
For the record:
By 21:39 GMT, the ng is dead.
PS: Those who feel tired of reading such kind of reports are free just NOT to read them.
Fred,
Thanks for responding to my questions about Nescape 6.1. You said that with java, it takes up a bit more than 4.7. Is that with a java enabled 4.7 or a base 4.7? Sorry about all this specific size question, but I have a small hard drive...
BTW, as long as Netscape is a little off the topic as far as NWC, does anyone know of a good forum for general tech support. I realize I should as this in a tech forum, but that's the problem... and besides this can relate to MIDI which relates to NWC...
I guess there's no other way to communicate than through this forum. It's good to see the familiar names here, as well as new ones.
Is there any way to share NWC music files, unless the newsgroup comes back to life?
Best wishes to all,
Joe Roberts
Yes, actually, there is a way. First get a free web site. You can go to www.20m.com or www.geocities.com to get one. Then upload your files unto the server in --I think-- binary format. Finally, make a line that says, you can download my master piece by clicking here.
FranMan said "...You said that with java, it takes up a bit more than 4.7. Is that with a java enabled 4.7 or a base 4.7?"
Hmm.. not sure, having never downloaded a base 4.7. The base 6.1 download is just under 10 megs, and the version of the java runtime engine that I have is just under 5 megs, if that gives any indication. Actual space taken once installed will of course be larger, and will ultimately depend on how large you let your cache grow, and size of imported bookmarks, newsgroups, mail and all that. In other words, YMMV.
Francis,
> ...or www.geocities.com...
You cannot upload nwc files there. That's why I had cancelled my site. Most of those "free" servers restrict either the file type itself, or executing it. And -probably- all of them disallow direct linking to files except htmls.
So, you'll need to make an HTML page for each nwc.
Went to visit my daughter over the weekend. Tried to check NG on Thursday evening. Unable to connect to NG server. Come home this evening (Sunday), still unable to connect to NG. Does anyone know what is happening?
Geoff
> ...or www.geocities.com...
>You cannot upload nwc files there. That's why I had cancelled my site. Most of those "free" servers restrict either the file type itself, or executing it. And -probably- all of them disallow direct linking to files except htmls.
I am using geocities and you can link to MIDI's OK, but they restrict the filetypes you can post. One possible workaround is to put your nwc file in a zip file and post that. I have found that the free ISP's I have tried all accept zip files.
Geoff
At http://www.subnet.dk you can have nwc-files and link directly to them.
Best regards,
Andreas
How about an alternative to the newsgroup?
Perhaps a moderated newsgroup on usenet, which the users themselves can moderate (a few chosen ones),
or a forum (WWW board) with attachment uploading option (if anyone owns/knows someone who owns a server and can host it) maybe even on ntworthy.com?
"At http://www.subnet.dk you can have nwc-files and link directly to them."
Useful if you speak German perhaps, but most don't. (Though I confess I do know that "Klik Her" doesn't mean to click a lady on the head).
Yah, I blew that idea, but what about the scripto server maybe Rich would let us upload files there...
Thanks for the complement but the Scripto server is nothing to do with me apart from the fact that I put alot of files on it, and most of the time, like everyone else, I rely on Andrew or Fred to do it for me.
The Scripto Server is owned by the VADU group and is based (
I think) in England. Matt Johnson is the web master there (or perhaps one of a group of web masters) and it is through is kind efforts that we have a Scripto on this server. Mat agreed to host the Scripto after we were unable to continue with the previous Scripto server.
We already are very lucky that Matt and his colleagues allow us web space, and it is quite another thing to request further use particularly since it is quite a different set of rules required to host a newsgroup.
My own opinion is that the good folks at Ezusa are working full out to cure this problem, which is not of their own making, and we give them a bit longer to sort it all out. (Remember that they are probably loosing money while this is going on).If Jill's (was it Jill?) hypothesis is correct, then they will have much to do before all is OKn again.
Rich
Daily report for the record:
The news server is dead by 1:40 AM GMT.
PS: What about a moderated Yahoo group?
Reply 85 offered by: Jill on 12-Aug-2001
"At http://www.subnet.dk you can have nwc-files and link directly to them."
"Useful if you speak German perhaps, but most don't. (Though I confess I do know that "Klik Her" doesn't mean to click a lady on the head)."
Danish, actually. dk-Denmark, de-Germany (Deutschland). In German it would be "Klicken sie hier". Germans have a way of taking 50% more words to say a given thing, which is why they talk so fast. (Being a dual citizen I can say things like that and get away with it) ;-)
Well so much for my scripto idea, BUT geocities does work - so of. It does allow for direct link, but not for NWC files, so what do you do? Easy, just change .nwc to .zip and presto, you have a "harmless" zip file. The person on the other end, just has to add .nwc to the end before double clicking. As an example, I used Moon Lite Sonata Movement 2 from the scripto server. Click Here! (http://www.geocities.com/madcow_exe/beet2723.zip)
Yipes, they seemed to get a little mad at me, so I deleted the file, but if you want to try this, it worked until I tried to change the file name back to .nwc...
The newsgroup is up and running!!! 23:44 (GMT + 1)
But for how long? :-)
-- Andreas
Not for very long.
It's down again. (23:48 GMT+1)
-- Andreas
To Jill,
If you make your MIDI's into low-fi MP3's they are of no use to (virtually) anybody. Does require more file space and hosting bandwidth though. HTH.
To Group,
I've just e-mailed Matt again, asking for another status update. I hope he's still "speaking" to me. :> Update on NG server soon to follow (I hope).
Sue
Sue, this is a medley of the major tunes of show, that is why it took me two weeks to sequence. It's not just the waltz. So if I converted to mp3 it would be absolutely huge.
I have seen somewhere some trick for preventing a MIDI file from being saved, but I cannot remember where I found that info now that I need it. Plus not sure if it would be effective for someone who could just go into their browser cache to find it once it was downloaded to be heard.
Possible to add a "request" to have some kind of "no save" option embedded into NWC so that people couldn't save the resulting MIDI file? Probably not, probably just a pipe dream.
Yes, I'm replyer 100. Anyway, these copyright issues are kind of scary. About making the NOSAVE option in your web page, you can click here (http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/htmlbbs.pl) to go to a Question and Answer Board that goes with the book HTML 4 for the World Wide Web Fourth Edition, but that anyone is free to use. Yes, I am transfering you from a forum to a forum. Good luck.
Re: Idea of hosting ng on yahoo/egroups/whatever. Please don't! (Or not just yet). Apart from the restriction/ownership problems with attachments, it means people have to be "live" on the net to read news, and with the number of posts going through the newsgroup, that means a fair bit of conenct time (not to mention that web-based newsgroups are not keyboard-friendly, and normally insist on using the mouse to navigate).
Hopefully ezusa will get their act together soon (maybe change the server so it's not running a Microsoft system?!?). It is a shame they are having trouble, but then so are many other large servers, and hotmail and AOL have had their share of disasters in the past, too.
I'd be interested in what response Sue gets this time! It's been five days since I've been able to connect to the news server. I hope Eric is getting a refund ;-)
A
Jill wrote:
"Can anyone advise me on how to incorporate a NOSAVE command in html so that people can only listen to a MIDI file, and not be able to save it? I want to incorporate it on the Merry Widow page before I allow another single person in to hear it."
Won't help much, I'm afraid. Someone who really wants to will find it very simple to save your midi. Even if player/plugins like VanBasco didn't have the save function, you could capture the midi in real-time using a multi-midi client.
However, you can take steps to make your midi a lot more difficult to disassemble into any semblance of a usable score. The simplest such is to precede each staff with a rest, example double-dotted 16th rest. Yes, there's a way around that too, but I think less people will be able to deal with that, than with a simple NOSAVE parameter in html. You can get even fancier by splitting staves, jumping around from staff to staff, stuff like that. Try disassembling some of my guitar midis some day! (And no fair cheating and looking at the NWC) ;-) An example would be Sor-Study in Eb (http://www.netidea.com/~fredn/midi/sorst_es.mid)
Fred
PS - also have a look at MidiCrypt, a midi encryption utility that scrambles a midi beyond recognition by employing pitch-bends and other tricks. The result is a perfectly playable midi that's absolutely useless for importation into scoring sequencers.
"Danish, actually. dk-Denmark, de-Germany (Deutschland). In German it would be "Klicken sie hier".
"Click on her hair"?
"Hand me the clicker"?
"The clicker is here"?
Ok, sorry. Couldn't resist. :) Took seven years of French and can I speak it today? No. I mean non.
If my transfer rate for Melody Lane wasn't already at close to 40 gig after only two weeks into August, I would temporarily host NWC files, or start a temp mailing list or something. But it's a mess, how do you tell people to stay away from your website???????????????????
Ertugrul has suggested using Yahoo Groups. The only snag there is their reluctance to allow attachments, but maybe that could be overcome with a bit of negotiation.
cheers,
John.
I will prefer a newsgroup.
-- Andreas
<I will prefer a newsgroup.>
My sentiments exactly. Only we ain't got one.
I've just e-mailed Bill Pirkle, who runs a small composers' group, asking if it would be possible for his host to host this group, at least on a temporary basis, but I suspect even if it could, the sticking point would be the shere number and size of the Noteworthy attachments involved.
Cheers,
John.
I think we should wait and see what happens to our ezusa NG. I would hate to lose this wonderful raport we have, if new restrictions or rules are added (via a moderated usernet group).
Had to get my name on the forum too <grin>.
Check out my collection of NWC files at http://talk.to/tobiasware and select the "my music" links.
Tobias "hisself" ware
I would be careful about moving to Yahoo groups. My daughter, who belongs to a quilting ng, pointed out a problem with their terms and conditions. Go to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
And scroll down to "Content submitted or made available for inclusion on the service" to see what I mean - they want free access to your material basically.
My daughter tells me that a member of their group had a quilt design stolen and marketed, and is having a deal of trouble asserting her copyright. (The other side of Jill's problem:-( )
Their group operates on Smart Groups, and they have set the group up as a closed group (membership by invitation), which I do not feel it would be right for the nwc ng, as we want to encourage new members.
I feel we should hang fire for now and see if ezusa sort themselves out.
Geoff
<My daughter tells me that a member of their group had a quilt design stolen and marketed, and is having a deal of trouble asserting her copyright. (The other side of Jill's problem:-( )>
What a terrible shame. I have heard that it is the same on Geocities, Tripod, etc. If you upload files to their server they claim that the material is theirs to do with whatever they want. Unlike a private server where you are paying them money to host your site. Even if your daughter could legitimately claim copyright they could still say "hey you signed this agreement when you agreed to let us host your files." The legalities of this must be providing a field day for lawyers.
On the same kind of subject, this morning I had someone come through who asked for a password to view my Merry Widow song page. (It's a secret password for copyright reasons). Then he emails me back and says "thanks, we will be using your score for our theater production since we cannot find the music." That's great! I worked two weeks on that MIDI file, I spent over 50 dollars to obtain an original score from 1907 from Australia, and this group gets to use my MIDI to make money, when I don't receive a penny in compensation for slaving over the file??? Never again...
Can anyone advise me on how to incorporate a NOSAVE command in html so that people can only listen to a MIDI file, and not be able to save it? I want to incorporate it on the Merry Widow page before I allow another single person in to hear it.
John at https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=1886.msg10330#msg10330 wrote:
> ...their reluctance to allow attachments...
They do allow. Just use your local mail client software or your Yahoo web account -if exists- instead of posting at the group web.
But as Andreas mentioned at https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=1886.msg10331#msg10331, I also prefer a newsgroup but a Yahoo Group is a lot cheaper! (Free)
Hth.
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Andrew wrote in https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=1886.msg10326#msg10326:
> it means people have to be "live" on the net to read news
Simply not. Select "individual emails" while subscribing or later. Once you download them, you can read them offline and place your reply in outbox for mass-upload. Just like reading an ng.
However, I still prefer a newsgroup out of usenet but those may have at least temporary solutions.
Regards.
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Belated daily report:
By AM 5:45 GMT, the news server is dead.
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Fred wrote: <PS - also have a look at MidiCrypt, a midi encryption utility that scrambles a midi beyond recognition by employing pitch-bends and other tricks. The result is a perfectly playable midi that's absolutely useless for importation into scoring sequencers.>
That sounds alot more time efficient then the other thing you suggested, will give it a look.
Yikes, it's 300 dollars. Forget it.
I've a reply back from Matt on the newsgroup server:
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I'm in the process of moving newsgroups to a new server. I'm now convinced the new server is stable and I'll be moving yours over today.
I'll let you know when it's up.
Matt
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So it will be very soon now... we will have our NG back...
Sue
Hi Jill,
In surfing the 'net for some MIDI's awhile back, I did run into some sites that had some way of blocking the save of a MIDI, and I did not find a copy of it in my 'temporary internet files' folder as well. I confess I did not try very hard to get it but was intrigued by the method (the MIDI played using standard Windows MIDI player). If can think of what the site was/and or MIDI was, I'll see if I can find the site again for you. Then you can examine the site yourself and see if the technique would work for you... perhaps the site owner would confess as to what they did if so.
Might take me several days to get to this, so don't hold breath but I'll see what I can do.
Sue
"So it will be very soon now... we will have our NG back..."
Yahoo, I can hardly wait.
-- Andreas
<Might take me several days to get to this, so don't hold breath but I'll see what I can do. Sue>
Thanks Sue, that would be a Godsend. I think what I saw too had to do with javascript, hiding the file name in it somehow. I too should have tried harder to figure it out, but it was awhile ago. I certainly wouldn't do it for all the song pages on Melody Lane, but certain ones that I worked really hard and are special to me, if they could be protected somehow, that would be wonderful.
That's Good News about the ng, Sue. Thanks for letting us know. Still not up as I speak.
To anyone who is hoping to keep all their messages, be extra careful with which command you use to get new headers. If you choose to "synchronise", you may lose old messages if you're not careful. This warning is based on what Matt @ Americansys said about moving to a new newsserver. It may mean that all the message IDs change.
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Still no word from Matt on the ng... I guess that means we have to be patient...
Jill,
Go here:
http://www.hartsvriendin.nl/upwherewebelong.html
This is one of the ones I remembered not finding the MIDI in my temporary internet files... I admit I really haven't looked to see where it might have gone, just happened to think of this URL at this moment. This one does not use a visible midi player to play the MIDI.
Check it out thoroughly and see if the MIDI is truly inaccessible. When I can, I'll keep looking, I know I ran into a site where it seemed more 'normal' but I wasn't able to get the MIDI, although as I mentioned before I didn't try all that hard.
Good Luck,
Sue
This site uses the bgsound tag, e.g.:
<bgsound SRC="crazy1[1].mid" LOOP=1>
Two problems: 1: it only works in IE. 2: It's very easy to defeat by viewing page source, searching for .mid, and pasting the result in the URL bar. Example:
http://www.hartsvriendin.nl/crazy1[1].mid
That will launch your usual player (e.g. vanbasco), from which you can save to disk with the click of a radio button.
Hm... maybe we should come up with our own Midi-cryptographical scrambler program.
If you know who you plan to send the song, PGP and other cryptographic tools would probably suffice.
If you want a general MIDI cryptographic scrambler, with a generally available reader, it wouldn't take long for a motivated person to crack it, in my oppinion. A dedicated server that de-scrambled the files would be harder to crack, but with enough incentive, probably could still be figured out.
For the record:
This is the eighteenth day without the newsgroup.
AM 6:08 GMT
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Thanks Fred. I thought I had tried that -- view the source and then just get the .mid -- and that it hadn't worked. Perhaps I remembered the wrong URL, there were so many when I was searching for that song! And I only have IE, so for me it's hard to know when something will/won't work in all the other browsers (not just Netscape)...
Message received from Matt regarding the newsgroup:
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Your newsgroup is in a new location.
It's at nntp://news2.ezusa.net
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Matt Porter
American Systems
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Everyone, start your newsreaders!!!!