NoteWorthy Composer Forum

Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: hmmueller on 2016-10-04 05:30 PM

Title: Boundary offset works strangely - and looks strange
Post by: hmmueller on 2016-10-04 05:30 PM
A boundary offset, in NWC 2.75, does not work as one would expect: If you insert a boundary effect with exactly the upper and lower offsets of the staff, the effect is not nothing - rather, lyrics are moved in some strange way.

Now, probably all of you know that, and I could accept that as "that's how it works".

The problem is that when I want to use boundary offsets to increase the staff heights at a few places where there are two lyrics lines; and return to the standard size where there is only one lyric line, then the two lines

Does anyone have an idea how to overcome this problem? (If I should add an example, I'd like to add my complete arrangement instead of creating a "demo example" - would that be ok?)

H.M.
Title: Re: Boundary offset works strangely - and looks strange
Post by: Richard Woodroffe on 2016-10-04 07:20 PM
I had a similar problem with some of the Schubert music I have been transcribing. I did find an answer that worked but anyway, put the question to this forum. Rick G. came up with a more elegant solution that involved putting the lyrics on their own staff.

I have tucked this solution away in my brain for future use but it may benefit you to review it as well.
https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=9320.msg66570#msg66570 (https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=9320.msg66570#msg66570)

Thanks again Rick.

Title: Re: Boundary offset works strangely - and looks strange
Post by: hmmueller on 2016-10-04 07:33 PM
A - for me - non-obvious, but - the more I think about it - very  useful solution: Thank you, Rick and Rich!

Of course, it requires writing the "rhythm section" for the lyrics a second time; but that will even help in some cases - e.g., one doesn't have to misuse legato slurs as "lyrics slurs" - and, probably, I can finally write those _____ that some people want for extended syllables!

I'll try it!

H.M.

Title: Re: Boundary offset works strangely - and looks strange
Post by: Richard Woodroffe on 2016-10-04 09:06 PM
Glad it might be of help.

Also, you might like to look at Melismatic.nw  , a user object written by Noteworthy.

This object automatically takes care of extended syllables that you mention, whenever a melisma is encountered.

See

https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=9093.0 (https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=9093.0)
Title: Re: Boundary offset works strangely - and looks strange
Post by: Opagust on 2016-10-05 03:03 AM
I also have encountered this problem several times. Rick's solution seems (as always) to solve the problem in a nice way. I'll try it next time.

But what I noticed now when looking at and experimenting a bit with the example files in that topic: Increasing the 'Line Count' for the lyrics  automatically increases the 'Lower Boundary' (for lyrics under the staff) in the Staff Properties by 4 for every added line.

The 'Change Boundary Offset' on the other hand is not affected by changing the number of lyric lines.

BTW: After lowering the 'Line Count' by 1, a line of lyrics disappears (as expected), but it won't reappear if you restore the line count to its original value!  
Title: Re: Boundary offset works strangely - and looks strange
Post by: hmmueller on 2016-10-05 07:43 AM
BTW: After lowering the 'Line Count' by 1, a line of lyrics disappears (as expected), but it won't reappear if you restore the line count to its original value! 
Well, actually it sort of does reappear - but when you lowered the line count, you/NWC deleted the text for that line, so you now see an empty lyrics line.

H.M.