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Title: Uneven Measures With Same Total Timing Values
Post by: Carl Mill on 2008-02-13 05:28 AM
I'm sure this has been addressed before, but I could not find any references.  I cannot get the same measure length with this scenaro where the total time values are equal in each measure.  I have NWC2 Ver 2.23

TOP MEASURE:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:#-6|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

BOTTOM MEASURE:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:#-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

The same problem occurs in NWC Ver 1.75c

I know this can be accomplished with layering, but I don't believe this should be the only workaround.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Uneven Measures With Same Total Timing Values
Post by: Lawrie Pardy on 2008-02-13 05:47 AM
G'day Carl,

Try this for the top staff...

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:#-6^|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:8th|Pos2:-6
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

The problem lies in the fact that in a mixed duration chord, the shortest note defines the duration of the whole chord.

Thus, the first chord has a duration of 1 crotchet, then the second crotchet in the lower voice adds to the bars duration.  Next is the upper voice quaver - now we're up to 2 1/2 beats, then there's the crotchet/minim chord - another beat - 3 1/2 now, finally the two quavers at the end of the bar - that's 4 1/2 beats...

Problems like this are what make layering the "correct" solution...
Title: Re: Uneven Measures With Same Total Timing Values
Post by: Rick G. on 2008-02-13 06:27 AM
Try this:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,VertOffset=2000|Dur2:4th|Pos2:#-6
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Slurs can be a problem with this method. Layering is the cleaner solution.
Since NWC 2.1, hiding the rest is better than VertOffset=2000
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-1
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,HideRest|Dur2:4th|Pos2:#-6
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Uneven Measures With Same Total Timing Values
Post by: William Ashworth on 2008-02-13 07:11 AM
Rick and Lawrie both implied this, but perhaps it should be stated outright: layering is not a workaround. It is the method by which passages such as this are constructed in NWC. Once this idea is grasped, much more power is opened up in the program.

Cheers, and good layering -

Bill
Title: Re: Uneven Measures With Same Total Timing Values
Post by: Lawrie Pardy on 2008-02-13 09:04 AM
Ricks version is better'n mine.
Title: Re: Uneven Measures With Same Total Timing Values
Post by: Carl Mill on 2008-02-14 02:20 AM
Thanks to all for the help.  Rick's method will work fine.  Took me a little time to fine the 1/8 rest.