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Title: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Rick G. on 2006-01-05 11:35 PM
Workaround for the problem discussed in https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5251
Measure 1 shows the problem, 2 the solution, 3 for dbl time.
Keep the invisible rests well away from the beams as they affect beam length.

Layer these 2 staves:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Rest|Dur:32nd|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:Half|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:32nd|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Pär Smårs on 2006-01-06 02:23 AM
Hey, that's a good idea. You could also use a simple text (User1, ".", Times New Roman, 19pt) and have the music play on an invisible staff. Something like the following clip.

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Text|Text:"."|Font:User1|Pos:4|Justify:Right
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Up|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Rest|Dur:32nd|Opts:VertOffset=4|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
On my machine it looks almost as good as the original on print preview, and you wouldn't have to fiddle around with layering two staffs, which can be very time consuming. It depends on how picky you are, I guess. Perhaps one can experiment a little more and get it even better, using a different font, and perhaps some other character besides an ordinary period. Haven't tried that.
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: NoteWorthy Online on 2006-01-06 06:22 PM
The following is a work around for Preview 1y and later:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Rest|Dur:8th,Grace|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Pär Smårs on 2006-01-06 09:24 PM
Ah, much easier. :-)
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Rick G. on 2006-01-06 09:59 PM
But not so accurate as this:
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:4th,Grace|Pos:0^|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Adam Cuerden on 2006-01-07 01:02 AM
Looks like they fixed it in today's update. Work damn fast, this lot =)
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Pär Smårs on 2006-01-07 09:04 AM
[Rick G.]
> But not so accurate as this:

Even better. :-)

I guess you don't have to tie the grace note to the 1/16 note either.
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Rick G. on 2006-01-07 12:29 PM
Peter Edwards gives another example in https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5251.msg34618#msg34618.

Easy workaround with a layer, but the larger issue is how much incorrect music is sitting in musicians' folders? (and how often has a note been played at the wrong time?)

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:VertOffset=2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:VertOffset=2|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted|Visibility:Never
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:VertOffset=2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Scotch snap workaround
Post by: Rick G. on 2006-01-10 01:59 AM
Another example, from https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5366. To fix it, hide the notes with the offending flags and layer with:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Bar|Style:Double
|Key|Signature:C|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Chord|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:-3,b0,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:b7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,Muted
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:n7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First,Muted
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End,Muted
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:8th
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Finding these things seems a worse problem than fixing them.
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