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Title: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: lawrroc on 2024-07-02 11:43 AM
I am transcribing a piece in which the notes shown in the attachment appear in the first bars. These are ties (or slurs?) that are missing the second note.
I ask the musicians: what does that writing mean?
I can only say that when those measures are performed the note becomes "blurred".
How to make it in NWC?
Up to now the only "decent" result is with Slur.ms", then working on the length and height of the ligature line.
Kind regards to you.
Lorenzo

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Rest|Dur:4th,Dotted|Visibility:Never
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:6|EndOffsetY:2|StartOffsetY:1.7|EndOffsetX:-2
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,ArticulationsOnStem,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:2|Dir:Upward|EndOffsetX:-4
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:2|Dir:Upward|EndOffsetX:-4
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:2|Dir:Upward|EndOffsetX:-2
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:2|Dir:Upward|EndOffsetX:-3
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: Mike Shawaluk on 2024-07-02 12:49 PM
The foillowing sample uses muted invisible grace notes as the destination of the ties, which I think gives a better appearance than Slur.ms.  I added spacers before and after the grace notes to stretch things out, since invisible grace notes take up no space.

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Rest|Dur:4th,Dotted|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:5^|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:3^
|Spacer|Width:250
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Muted|Dur2:8th,Grace|Pos2:3|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:150
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:2^
|Spacer|Width:250
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Muted|Dur2:8th,Grace|Pos2:2|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:150
|Chord|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:1^
|Spacer|Width:250
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Muted|Dur2:8th,Grace|Pos2:1|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:150
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: Mike Shawaluk on 2024-07-02 01:31 PM
Here is an alternate version, that uses visible grace notes with zero-length stems and blank space noteheads, which doesn't require spacers.
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|TimeSig|Signature:6/8
|Rest|Dur:4th,Dotted|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:5^|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:3^
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:5z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=0,Muted|Dur2:8th,Grace|Pos2:3z
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:2^
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:4z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=0,Muted|Dur2:8th,Grace|Pos2:2z
|Chord|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:3^|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:1^
|Chord|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:3z|Opts:Stem=Up,StemLength=0,Muted|Dur2:8th,Grace|Pos2:1z
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Title: Re: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: lawrroc on 2024-07-02 01:50 PM
Thanks Mike,
the solutions you proposed are technically and graphically excellent. Grace notes are a tool I never consider enough.
Furthermore, the fact that their "invisibility" does not take up space, does not create problems with time signature.
Personally I prefer the first alternative.
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: Flurmy on 2024-07-02 03:45 PM
Aaaaarg! No, please!
Doing things like these remove the "note off" event and you finish having many stuck notes. Try using a different isntrument and you'll see... hear.
Do not mute the grace notes.
If you want to hear the "let ring" effect indicated by the ties use the pedal.
Title: Re: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: Opagust on 2024-07-02 08:39 PM
isfalsment? ;)
Title: Re: Tie (or slur?) without the tied note.
Post by: hmmueller on 2024-07-03 06:07 PM
I needed to activate 3 or 4 turns of my brain for that - but then  :D  ;D  :)  :)  :)

H.M.