Where the staves are layered, which would acheive what I think you are aiming at however, the problem still remains. You are trying to do something that is not correct in standard notation. The whole note equals 4 quarter beats, not 5. Anyone reading that second measure would therefore be looking for another quarter beat as the time signature is 5/4. It would be correct to write what you want in a number of ways. For instance:
Using a whole note to satisfy a full measure in 5/4 time signature is not the accepted norm. Whereas the whole rest reads the time signature, the whole note is always a specific time value and cannot be altered. If it were the case that a whole note would satisfy 5 quarter beats,then what would a quarter note value be? See what I am saying? There really is nothing to fix. What you are trying to do is not proper. The best way to handle it is to break up the whole note in a fashion that is easiest for the musician to read and readily understand according to what he will find in the accompaniment staff, if any.
Again in the 3/4 time signature, there are only 3 quarter beats to the measure, so you cannot use a whole note at all because its length is always 4 beats which is longer than the duration of the measure. The whole rest however reads the time signature and therefore takes up the space of 3 quarter beats, not 4, where if the time sig. was 4/4, it would take up 4 beats as it takes up 5 beats in the 5/4 measure. That's just the way it is, and always was. Nothing to fix! As in this example:
The problem is that the whole note is only 4 quarter beats, but the time signature requires 5 quarter beats per measure. The whole rest is in accord with the time sig. Notice, if you replace the whole rest in the second measure of the bass part with two half rests, the measures will align. While they will align with each other, they will not be correct according to what the time sig. requires. The half rest has a specified number of beats whereas the whole is variable. If this were not so, it would be difficult to read. As it is, it is plain to see that the measure is mute. Surely you have never seen a whole rest along side a quarter rest to fill a measure. At the same time, if you wanted to have 4 mute beats and two eighth sounding notes, it would be necessary to have the half rests taking up only 4 of the 5 available beats in the measure. I find that in order to be absolutely sure my count is correct, it is useful to have one staff of whole rests only on the bottom of the piece. As soon as a beat/measure problem arises, it is visible and can be corrected before it becomes a hassle to change later.
Well then, I'm sure she's found someone else to complain to by now. As soon as you fix one thing, they find something else to zero in on. It's a type. There's one in every crowd!
I haven't looked at Andrews script yet, but it sounds like a good thing. It does get a bit confusing when you want to remove a section from all staves. The main thing to remember is to start from thebottom staff and move upward because the measure numbers are attached to the top staff. If you remove the measures from the top, you will loose track right off. Another way to keep your place is to mark each staff with a text character at the begining and end of the chunk you want to remove, or use master repeats to mark them out so you know where you are in each staff. Somehow I don't think that selection of multiple staves is going to fly although it would be nice.
Hey K.A.T. Maybe it's time to tell the lady with the episode to get over it. If that's the worst thing that happens to her, she's in pretty good shape. She ought to have a look around. I know that's not very nice. [move]I'm just sayin'![/move]
Howdy Pardner! Or, you could open your NWC files menu , right click on a file, go to "open with" from the drop down menu, then right click on "Choose a Program". Choose NWC, then underneath the program choices click the box that says "always use the selected program to open this kind of file". Doesn't always work but I think that is what I did last time that happened to me. In fact remembering back, I think I had to uninstall Real Player first, because I could not break the association it made with the midi files.
If you only have one staff, as for a separate part, then the left end of the staff remains open. If you layer it however, it shows the bar at the left.
I'm liking the idea of negative numbers for note/accidental spacing. It would make it easier to align characters from Boxmarks and Lawrie's Swing Dings. It would be nice to have the option.
I am wondering now why my clip text failed. The triplet bracket on the "big" tr didn't show up for some reason. Anyway, if you can do it all in one program, you're much better off. Importing is always iffy.
By George, I think he's got it! That was rough. I was thinking though, someone asked recently if the midi could be imported from Finale. I suppose it would not come across as triplets anyway. Good luck with the rest of the score. By the way, very disapointing last night. They changed the band and they didn't do swing at all! Nothing like in years past! Oh well. It was a beautiful night at the beach anyway. And yeah, Fitz is fine.
There are actually three staves. The 3rd one is for the slur. I forgot to mute the hidden staves, but the playback is much improved although not perfect if you do. I played with it a little more and it seems visually correct and closer to sounding like it should.
I just tried the clip and I see now what you mean. I have saved the file which looks right to me but doesn't come across on the clip somehow. Try this attachment.
David, I don't get your reply about missing the big triplet. It looks right to me from what you posted originally. First 3 quarter note triplet, then two quarter notes and one eighth triplet together and of course the eighth note triplet incorporated into the "big" triplet makes three, right?
Interesting Ellington tidbit. I tried to work out the nested triplets on that one and I thought I had it for a moment, but it wasn't quite right. It certainly wouldn't have played back correctly. Frustrating! I'm going to see a 40's/50's era big band tonight at the beach. They're really quite good. I'll be listening for Ellington now. I'm not really too familiar with his style but I suppose it's time to expand my horizons a little.
I suggest that you take the time to enter them in yourself. You will be proficient in short order. NWC is a valuable tool not only for notation, but for learning as well. As you use it, your sight reading skills will be sharpened.
That's not good! Are you sure it is being saved in NWC2? If I open an old file in from NWC1 in NWC2, it doesn't save in NWC2 unless I manually change the save folder in which case I get the same message. If the file is not listed in the NWC2 file folder, it will not open it. You probably know all of this, but I can't think of another reason you should come up against this problem. If the file is in NWC2, then NWC2 should be able to open it even if you recently downloaded the latest update to the beta.
I agree, although it is a minor bug, it would be nice if NWC automatically aligned these, however it is nice (at this point anyway), to have the option of the extra accidental spacing as it is useful in aligning other characters from say boxmarks font. I don't know if you would be able to have it both ways.
Is there some mysterious reason that there can't be a built-in trill sign? I understand that all trills are not created equal and the use of a hidden staff is necessary for playback, however a simple tr and a short horizontal squiggle that could be entered as many times as necessary to make it as long or short as needed seems like it could be done. With all the other complexities in the program, I'm just sayin'. Same for the tremolo character. It seems that that one could even be done to playback without hidden staves.
OK Law, I think I've got it. One more question. Is the look of the notes themselves supposed to change at all or just the type and characters such as the clef and time signature. It sounded to me that with the Alt/Z combo, the whole appearance changed like majic. This way, do you have to change each parameter like lyric font, then title text etc...? By the way, nice look. I like it.
Hey Lawrie, Welcome back! Hope your holiday has left you and your family refreshed and renewed. Of course we missed you. I have a question. I downloaded your Swing Ding fonts and added them to the font file, except for the one that replaces the NWC system fonts. Now I want to add the new font that can co-exist with NWC's but I don't know which one it is and I don't want to get the original one by mistake. How to tell the difference? No rush, I know you haven't even unpacked yet. Thanks. DF
I think that for vertical alignment, Robin was saying highlight the character, then holding down Ctrl and Shift together, use the arrow up and down keys to move the item vertically. You may still want to use this feature after you get the lateral alignment right.
I was trying to keep away from all of those ledger lines. I suppose that a tenor clef is the way to go. I have never written for trombone so I don't really know. I'll bet Tina could tell us. According to "The Technique of Orchestration" (Kennan), the instruments range is: !NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single) |Clef|Type:Bass |Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-8 |Text|Text:"Pitches to the lower C possible with an F attachment."|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:-18 |Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-6 |Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5 |Clef|Type:Tenor |Note|Dur:4th|Pos:b6 |Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:10 !NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
First of all, make sure tht you have a key signature in the piece, especially if it is in C. Copy the treble staff to another staff exchanging the treble clef for a bass clef.(Highlight the notes press Ctrl and C simultaneously, move cursor to the new staff and press Ctrl and V at the same time.) Then move the notes down twice, (while highlited, hold downshift and Ctrl keys and arrow down 2x) Now to transpose for Bb instrument, then follow Davids instructions. Tools/Transpose/+2 semitones. That should do it. For example:
Nice job David! That tune is like a blast from the past only I was thinking Burt Bacharach. Same era. Even though the tune is so familiar the name of it still doesn't ring a bell. I never would have guessed. It keep me awake for a while last night though!
Thanks Milton. You know that is a good idea. I have tried switching to GM after a piece is written, and the difference is amazing. Almost can't recognize the piece as the renderings are so different, that's why I was wondering about sending songs to someone else. Of course, lap tops have poor sound quality on top of everything else. It would be nice if NWC (and the player),had it's own synths so that at least the renderings would be standardized. At this rate, we have no idea what is being heard on the other end. Thanks for your input.
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of that Rich. My problem is this: When I write music on the computer,I can convert to midi>copy to floppy> then stick it in the keyboard and it will play. The keyboard is Yahama XG and the instrument patches are not necessarily the same as the computer sound card, therefore I don't really know how instruments will be rendered when the keyboard gets a hold of the midi info., and it is generally a poor translation even though the keyboard has superior synths in general. If the trees are the same, I suppose that I will hear a pretty close likeness from the comp. sound card while I am actually writing the piece? I will have to re-read your response about 20 more times before it begins to sink in. I just don't have the head for this stuff. My last bout with copmuter programming was with Fortran IV many years ago in college. It won! Thanks again DF
I would like to download this Itree but am a little wary as I don't really understand how these things work. Does this import sound fonts? Can you change back and forth between trees? How is that done if it is possible? Does it change the sound of music already written? If I send a song to someone else who doesn't have the same Itree, will the renderings be different from what I hear on my machine? I know these questions sound kind of dopey, but I'm just not so hi-tech. It would be nice if my computer sound card rendered instruments the same as my keyboard, I suppose that is the idea? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Yeah, that is pretty cool! I was just thinking yesterday about sending a file to someone and wondering what it would look like in the viewer size-wise, whether I should hide some staves or not, not really knowing how it would look. Now I know. Nice. Thanks for pointing that out.
PS - If you have your original NWC disc, you can reinstall the old program and work it from there. The files must be on the CD that you made or you would not have gotten that message.
I'm just not gettin' it.