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General Discussion / Re: first song
You can attach the file as is. Just click Additional Options... and you will see the attachment option. Nice work, especially for the first one! - Technish.
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General Discussion / Re: .PDF?
I use another free pdf creator called Primopdf. Very simple to use, free and no ads.
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General Discussion / Re: How Do I make a Staff wrap to the next line?
The shortcut for system break is "B" for barline. Check the system break box and choose the type of bar line you want to show. As stated by John, the staff wraps automatically. If you use two staves or seven, they will all wrap together automaically, but if you only want one, then choose "blank score" from the "song Templates" menu.
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General Discussion / Re: A heated argument at last night's music practice.
David, pretty interesting stuff. I am sure that back then when communication was not so good that there were different usages, and standards didn't exactly exist like they said. It's like reading the KJV 1611 version. You get a glimpse at how our language has evolved over time and a much better grasp of word derivitaves and associations as in "Longways for as many as will" (want). That sounds as English Country Dance as you could get now that it was so nicely explained by Cyril. Thanks for that.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: adding a rest underneath a note
Yikes! I guess I ought to pay more attention. I always thought that quirk annoying whenever it came up. Why they can't be beamed is now the new quirk. At least we can work around it if it bothers us too much.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: adding a rest underneath a note
Ah! John is right. Good to know. NWC would not allow a note and rest of the same duration to exist in chord form previously. Now it does. Wonder how long that's been around.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: adding a rest underneath a note
This is pretty simple. Insert the rest first, then add the 1/2 note as if it were a chord. (hold down Ctrl while entering the 1/2 note)Make sure that the stem directions are opposite. Down for the rest and up for the 1/2 note.

Top staff:

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#,C#
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|RestChord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:Half|Pos2:4^
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-3,-1,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3,-1,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-3,-1,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-3,-1,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-3,-1,2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-3,-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First|Dur2:8th|Pos2:2,4
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Bottom staff:

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:F#,C#
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:-7,0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:0,2,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:0,2,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:0,2,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:0,2,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:0,2,6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Chord|Dur:8th,Triplet=First|Pos:0,2,6|Opts:Stem=Down
|Rest|Dur:8th,Triplet|Opts:Stem=Down
|Rest|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Opts:Stem=Down
|Rest|Dur:4th|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

The 1/8 rests underneath the 1/8th notes will have to be added as text if you want them. They are really not necessary in my opinion, but if you do want them, use boxmarks font  or Lawries Dings font available from the scriptorium.



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General Discussion / Re: A heated argument at last night's music practice.
Love the piece - hate the name. Back then, there were lots of rules governing the structure of music. Everything was very even and precicely laid out. Even harmonies that didn't fall into a certain form were considered just plain "wrong". Today it seems that all rules have been abandoned and anything goes. It depends on what school of thought you are from I guess. The classical style is more heavily structured and modern more loose. I myself wish I had a better understanding of what is classically correct because I find that those who are trained in that school seem to have a hard time reading modern music. The problem is that todays music is not as formal as classical and its notation therefore reflects this fact. I have to agree with Ewan, "make the music as readable as possible." is a good rule even for modern music.
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General Discussion / Re: Alternative handwritten-style music fonts available for purchase!!!
Thank you David! I see that this thread was read 26 times now, and you are the only one who responded. Not to chide anyone, I too was unable to respond to the audacity. The greatest thing about this forum that I have found is the unabashed willingness of others to give of their time and knowledge freely in an effort to help others. I know that I am indebted to many for their input and patience when I needed it, and I have gleaned so much just from others inquires. We are bombarded with adverts from every other angle in this world. This should not be one more area of assault. I was surprised to think that NWC would allow such a thing to get by, but I guess it would be impossible to detect such a thing ahead of time. Anyhow, I applaud your response.
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General Discussion / Re: Signs missing
Check out the Scriptorium at:  http://nwc-scriptorium.org/
There you will find several downloadable font sets that include any symbol you want. Once imported into your font file they can be accessed by NWC through the page setup/fonts tab. There are several threads that explain the procedure on this forum, and I believe there are instructions included when you download the fonts. Just be aware that as text items, they have no effect on playback.
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General Discussion / Re: A very cheeky question...
Hey Lawrie - I checked out Robert A, Fret Quick at the Scripto. It looks a bit more complicated than I would want to get into. I remember a TTF that was bundled in with the others early on that had guitar fret chords all set up. The only problem was that the name of the chords was not included over each one. As my guitar chord rep. is limited, I had to have a chord book handy to tell me what I was looking at so I never really used it. Do you know of any such thing availabe? It would certainly be handy.
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General Discussion / Re: A very cheeky question...
First let me say welcome, JvonM. Although I cannot answer all of your questions, I think I can manage most of them. I like you am a self taught musician. Always coming up with new material but never able to write it down. I find that by using Noteworthy, my sight reading skills have improved greatly.  I tried Finale. Way too complex and user unfriendly. If time is your enemy, that is not the tool for you. Noteworthy is much simpler to learn and use. The default settings are pretty suitable for most things and easily changeable if they aren't. I'm talking about page and text setup etc. You can open the program and jump right in without having to set every conceivable parameter first.
There are pre defined templates for SATB, and other types of scores, and you can make your own if you like, that will be suitable for your particular needs. Other users share their own features and added user tools through the Scriptorium and this forum. There is some real talent out there. Some are programers who share their knowledge and hard work with others which is nice. For instance, you can write your guitar chords as text above the measure, and if you want to transpose them, there is a user tool offered by another user that will do that for you with a few quick strokes on the keyboard. There is always something new.
As far as your feature list,
1. Ease of use: Probably the easiest you will find.
2. At least 5 staves: I believe you can have 16. Someone else may have a better answer to that.
3. You can choose which staves you want to export to midi. All, none, or any combination. Simply mute what you don't want to hear. You can also print each staff seperately, or any combination therof.
4. I think there are up to 8 lyric lines available for each staff.
5. Guitar chords - Can be written in as text. I used to have a guitar chord font that came with MS Works in a very early version. I think it was back with Windows 3.1. I'm sure it can be found somewhere. Another feature of NWC is that you can add new fonts. There have been several new additions of late by another user Lawrie Pardy who has done a wonderful job in this area. Someone else may be able to guide you to an available guitar chord font.
6. I have heard that scanning in sheet music is possible, however it is way less than perfect and you may need additional software (possibly free), that will enable you to do this. From what I hear, it generally takes as much time to fix the errors as it does to key the piece in.
7. The ability to write out in MusicXML. Not a question I can answer as I don't know what it means! I'll be interested to hear a reply from someone who does.
All in all - For the price, you will not beat this program. I would say that for your use, it would be the right choice. Although I have never usen Cakewalk, I understand that it is also difficult to learn and use. It seems that once you have 'found the pearl of great price', you stop looking. It suits my needs quite nicely.
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General Discussion / Re: Cadence
Sorry Me, I know that wasn't very helpful and I don't have an answer for your inquiry although I'm sure someone will come up with something shortly. There was a user way back whose screen name was ME who was quite nasty and downright unfriendly. Thankfully the new forum seems to have screened him (or her) out.
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General Discussion / Re: Cadence
There's a kind of hush all over the world tonight, Cadence; they call it down on ME. Your handle brings back frightening memories!
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General Discussion / Re: Confusing marks in printed music
Way confusing! Just can't deal with that whole thing. By the time I go through all of that, I would have forgotten what it was that I wanted to notate. An internal fix is what is needed.
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General Discussion / Re: Confusing marks in printed music
Sorry Dave, but that's not looking too professional. When do you suppose we will not have to work around this item? I'm sure it's been listed on the wish list many times. Not picking on you, your always helpful and knowledgable. I just think it's time that the n-tuplet thing was approached and dealt with. Work-arounds for this sort of thing tend to fudge as the piece progresses and hidden staves can be a royal pain to deal with.
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General Discussion / Re: Help for non-composer users
Wow Tony! 83 yrs. old? That's amazing. Most people your age steer clear of all that hi tech electronic stuff. I know it drives me crazy at about 30 years your junior. Just when you thnk you've got it, they change it! More power to you and God Bless!
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General Discussion / Re: Bug: beta 2.05 Slur Print Preview
In your example, the notes are not supposed to line up. What you are showing is correct. There are 6 eighth beats in both measures, (as far as printing is concerned). The need for the hidden rests as well as the numerical text entry  arises from a shortcoming in the notation program. As far as NWC is concerned, the number of beats per measure is correct when actually it is not, if you count duplets as they are supposed to be counted as well as the hidden rests. As I said, unless you are doing a work-aound for something that the program is incapable of doing, there would be no real use for the original example. At least not that I can see. You can't show two quarter beats in the top staff and three in the lower. It doesn't compute. I fail to see the reason that there should have to be a work-around for duplets and other n-tuplets anyhow. I'm not real big on math!
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General Discussion / Re: Bug: beta 2.05 Slur Print Preview
Try this. A little freaky!
Upper staff:

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Lower staff:

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End


As far as aligning notes in staves with invisible notes in one staff and not in the other, the last measure shows what I mean. The upper staff contains three beats although only 2 are showing, so the notes do not align properly. I can't imagine a use for this. It would only confuse the musician reading it. In order for the staves in the last measure to be in accord with one another, the top would have to show three quarter beats.
If you wanted to change the appearance or distance between certain notes, you would add note spacing in the note properties box, not add an invisible note which has a specific time value. While all of the measures contain three quarter beats, not all will show when printed. Why not just make the first note in the measure a half note?
Another problem I see with this example is that the third bar line does not show up in print preview, nor does it print! Understandably if this was the end of the piece, it shouldn't be there anyway, but...





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General Discussion / Re: Bug: beta 2.05 Slur Print Preview
In the Notation Properties Dialogue Box under Notes > Extra Note Spacing, if you make the value 1, you get this:

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1|Opts:XNoteSpace=1|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Which looks about right (but not quite!), to me. It looks as though the notes in a subsequent staff would not line up properly as there are only two quarter notes showing while there are actually three quarter beats of time in the example. But that's another problem. It seems that making the note invisible changes the distance between notes making the arc higher as the notes are squeezed together. I can see how this would present a problem, especially when its effect is not visible until print preview. I would hate to have to go back through a whole score fixing this little aberation. On the other hand, I am having a tough time understanding when this usage comes into play, (except when trying to do work-arounds for other annoyances like getting the triplet bracket to go the right way). I would be interested in seeing an example where this hidden slurred note is useful or how you came upon such a thing. Were you actually using it or was it happenstance?
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General Discussion / Re: Playback Volume
If you have entered a dynamic marking only on the top staff, it will not be as loud as the other staves. You must mark each staff to make them equal, although these markings can be made invisible if you like. It would seem that if you are using the same instrument on all staves, the volume should be about the same. Another possibility: If the top staff has only single notes playing while the others are chords, the melody staff could be drowned out. My 2 bits worth!
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
Rick, you certainly have a knack for coming across the most obscure oddities. It is a curiousoty that the grace note detatches at the bar line, but I think that it would be unusual to have the grace note in a different measure than the note it affects as Cyril stated.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
I have never seen a whole rest used in conjunction with any other note in the same bar. It would seem that that in 5/2 or 5/4, the use of half or quarter rests would be appropriate to use instead of a whole rest as in the example. But then hey, what do I know? This may have been the accepted norm at some point.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
Hmm...What's on the other side of that double bar line? Is it possible that it is separating a musical phrase and what is after it is part of the measure? OR if it is the last measure, add the beats to the first measure (which should contain 2 half beats). Hard to say without a little more of the score. There's always the typo! In 5/2, there are 5 half beats per measure. You are showing 3. Generally, a whole rest fills the measure, whatever the signature but the other rests are of specific beat durations that are not  changed by the time signature. Then again, things may have changed over time.
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General Discussion / Re: how to enter composer's name?
You can also enter the composer as text above the first couple of measures. Put the cursor where you want to enter the name, hit "x "for the text dialogue box, choose text type, size etc. and enter whatever you need. Check it in print preview to see how it will look and adjust as necessary.
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General Discussion / Re: i Need someone's opinion
Nice work with combined use of effects and mpc in the second song. Had the distinct feeling that bats were flying overhead with a bit of realistic doppler effect. I wish I could figure out how to use that functioin correctly:)
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General Discussion / Re: Triplet notation appearing in wrong place
Rick,
Your method like mine, only works for quarter notes or notes with no flags - I think. I am not sure I understand the whole white out thing. Can you remove the flags from stems of the eighth notes? If you use quarter note stems, the lateral distance between notes becomes a problem and as of now, there are no negetave values for note spacing so that you can only create more space, not less. It would be a lot easier if they just gave us the option to have the bracket above or below.
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General Discussion / Re: Triplet notation appearing in wrong place
You can change the position of the duplet bracket by using a hidden staff with stems in the opposite direction as in this Duke Ellington "nested" triplet example that David Palmquist was working on a short time ago. If you view it in print preview you will have a clearer view.
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General Discussion / Re: Converting WAV to NWC
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Try doubling your tempo and doubling all the note and rest values (just highlight all the notes and rests at once, and press the plus sign).
Thanks David. I never knew that! Is that new in NWC2?
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General Discussion / Re: Converting WAV to NWC
Hey Spence,
I got the bit you sent. You must have some church orchestra if you can play that kind of stuff. Nice. I think I must have misunderstood your initial request.  I was going to write the solo with NWC as I can usually pick out the notes with out too much problem, but you say in your e-mail that you have already done that.  I believe Lawrie is right about there not being software capable of doing that for you. Especially a jazz piece like that. There is an awful lot going on besides the "solo" so that no software would be able to single out the trombone part or even distinguish between it and the other horns playing simultaneously.
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General Discussion / Re: Converting WAV to NWC
If you convert from wav to mp3 (wav is too large) and send it on, maybe I can help. Just tell me what part you want to figure out the notes for and I'll see what I can do. And are we talking a transposing instrument?
You can't post an mp3 on this forum so send it to: Pisteuomusic@yahoo.com. I can't promise anyting but I'll give it a shot. If it's only a portion of the song it should be doable.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
Le Sacre du Printemps, eh? Studying Stravinsky to learn time signatures is like picking up the bible and beginning to read in Revelation. Not exactly beginner material. Stravinsky was considered "Avant Garde' in his heyday and still is by many. Indeed he introduced a few unusual writing techniques of his own and was able to stretch the imagination and abilities of the finest musicians.
The Cyberhymnal uses NWC for it's music which is a free service. 
While I wasn't able to come up with any 5/4 scores off hand, you can go to http://www.cyberhymnal.org/index.htm and check out a few of these unususal time signatures.

9/4 Have thine own way Lord
3/2 Hear the voice of Jesus calling
9/8 I will sing of my redeemer
9/4 One day
12/8 O Holy Night
6/4 Make me a blessing

They would be much easier to understand than Igor.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
Whew! I'm glad we got that cleared up. Sorry David. I know what you were saying. I was just stickin' it to ya for fun. I understand that the composer tries to translate or interpret into written form what he is hearing or feeling. I remember back in the '70's when the Moog Synth. was big, there were all kinds of charts that tried to notate patch cords and settings. Of course, that was majorly simplified later and the patch cords dissapeared. Other avant garde music required it's own kind of notation as well. (not worth the time it takes to listen to generally),  But I agree, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)

"What I'm trying to say is that the length of a whole note is equal to the top note of the key signature
."

What you are trying to say makes no sense to me.
The number in the top of the time signature is the number of beats per measure. The bottom number is the type of beat. 2/2 says there are 2 half beats per measure. 6/8 says, 6 eighth beats per measure, 3/4 says there are 3 quarter notes per measure and so on. Again, the top number in the time sig. does not dictate the value of any type of note including whole, half, quarter, eighth or any other type of note. It will however establish the duration of the rest.

OK Lawrie, bail me out! I don't seem to be articulating very well. Maybe you can make it clearer. I could be wrong!
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
In your own example, you have made quite clear what I am trying to say to you.  The first measure contains 3 quarter beats in both staves. In the second, the bass staff shows correct timing in accord with the signature. ie. 3 quarter beats. The top staff however shows 4 quarter beats in the second measure which you cannot have. I have said before, you can write whatever you want, but that doesn't make it correct.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
You are still trying to squeeze 4/4 beats into a 3/4 measure. The number of beats in the whole note is not dictated by the time sig. You cannot have a whole note in a piece with a 3/4 signature as there are only 3 beats in a measure. a dotted half takes up the whole measure. That is the nature of 3/4 time. A whole note has 4 beats. No getting around it. The whole rest you show in the first measure contains 3 quarter beats because the signature demands it. The whole note contains 4 quarter beats. You will not see whole notes in 3/4 music. Look around. The problem is not a function of the software.
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General Discussion / Re: Serious bug in length of Whole Notes (But Not Rests)
Yeah, when I said always I knew I would be in trouble. I just wanted Kahman to see that his thinking is askew. When you start talking about excceptions I find that the issue becomes cloudy, so I stated it that way just for clarity. And while Kahman's wrestling with the problem, he is learning how things work.  Nothing wrong with that. I remember thinking the same thing at one time. There are a lot of little subtleties you might miss when reading music that you get stuck on when writing. Things I thought I knew suddenly come into question. There is plenty of sheet music out there where you will find that the upper and lower staves have unequal time intervals if you break it down. Generally though, you just go with it the way you think it flows.  Kahman was making use of whole notes and I wanted him to see that there is necessarily  a quarter beat lacking in the measure. The eighths were just in addition to the 4 quarter beats needed to fill out the requirements of the time signature, (again for clarity). He didn't seem to see that the time signature ( the first thing I look at when reading a piece) dictates the # of beats (and type of beats) required in each measure and therefore the duration of the whole rest.  As I think I stated, it is best to break down the whole note into what is easiest to read in accordance with what is found in the accompanying staff. The simpler the better in my estimation. That is why I don't go along with that 31/2 over 4 business talked about in another thread. It doesn't make sense. And just for the heck of it, no one uses that kind of time signature in a piece of music because they believe that the people singing the song will likely be drunk! If they were, they would certainly never figure out what to do with it. Folk music can be pretty tricky to play. I can't understand why anyone would want to make it impossible. 7/8 it is! Sorry David. Once I get going.....!