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3252
General Discussion / Re: printing bug
G'day William,
just curious at the moment... Is this the only file affected or do you have similar problems with other longer works?

If this is the only one then perhaps we can arrange to try it on another system to see if the problem follows the file.

If it does, then I suggest that a submission of that file to NWC support is in order.

OTOH if several works are affected then again, we should arrange to test on another system.  This time if the problem persists then a bug report is probably in order.

In either case, testing on a different system will establish whether it is associated with your system only or not.

Lawrie
3253
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John,
tsk, tsk - what a cheap shot... for interest, my father was Irish, my mother half German and Half English - I myself am all Aussie (1st generation on one side, second generation on the other) so sadly I cannot lay claim to the illustrious heritage you allude to.  Might I add, England transported some of her finest people.  Perhaps you could read some real history some time.

As for principles I understand them very well, especially one about cutting one's nose off to spite one's face...

Now, I've done a bit of reading - nowhere has NWC2 been touted as a "bug fix" version.  Certainly there are issues that have been addressed but as I have seen bug fix versions of v1.75 released since the pre-beta availability of NWC2 I simply don't see the relevance.

For all of that, I still don't understand why you're getting so hot under the collar about some software that hasn't even been released yet.  And again, I do understand about principles, and I respect your opinion in this matter though I think you are just plain wrong in your attitude.

I repeat, the pre-beta release of NWC2 is not a bug fix.  It is definitely a new version with many and significant new features.  Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Nevertheless, I wish you well with your new toy, I hope it serves you as well and as long as NWC clearly has.

Please accept my wishes for a very merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous new year for yourself and your family.

Lawrie
3254
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John.
no disrespect or insult intended, but that is about the biggest case of sour grapes I've ever seen.

Just to remind you, NWC2 is not even in beta at this stage.  It is in a pre-beta state that is heavily dependent on user input for, at this point, knocking of the big lumpy bits.  It hasn't even gotten close to the polishing stage!

You mention commercial products that are out there - yeah, sure, at 10+ times the price.

I'm only a relative newcomer (since 2002) but in the histories I've read to date, NWC has never been free, it has always been marketed as shareware.  If I am wrong here, please feel free to correct me.  However, assuming I am right, then even in the shareware world you don't get major revision updates for free!

As for the Profit-Is-All marketplace, it's only 39 bucks (US) - 15 for the upgrade you're whingeing about - pay the money.  for Pete's sake!

If NWC were really about profit is all, there'd be no upgrade path, you'd be renting the damn thing like the way Microsoft are heading towards doing - you don't get any cut price upgrades out of them anymore!

Now please remember, I can't talk for NWC, I ain't one of 'em, I'm just a customer like you, but I have to pay much more than you 'cos in the UK you have a much better exchange rate than we do here in Oz, and I'd happily pay twice as much!

/soap box

Lawrie
3256
General Discussion / Re: What to do about recent illiterate forum posts
Of course, we could ask Eric to track IP addresses... I have tools that will allow us to track 'em down...  And contacts with service providers (insert evil laugh here)... RADIUS logs are not that hard to read (insert another evil laugh here)...

No one is ever truly anonymous!
3257
General Discussion / Re: Section Close - Section Open Printing Problem
G'day Carl,
I think this behaviour is by design.

For interest, I looked up my friend Alfred and there is no mention of a "section open" barline anywhere in there...

I also don't recall ever having seen one "in the wild" so to speak.

It seems to me that a section end (which is in Alfred's under the name "final") should be sufficient as the next section is new by implication...  Is my experience just limited or is there a real need for these guys?

Lawrie
3258
General Discussion / Re: How to add diddles to my cadences
G'day Anthony,
I can't help you myself 'cos I don't know what you mean by "diddle", however a quick search of the forum has revealed the following links which may be helpful:

https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=1941

https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=158

drum patterns on the scripto:

http://nwc-scriptorium.org/ftp/helpful/rhythms.zip

http://nwc-scriptorium.org/ftp/helpful/drumpatterns.nwc

some fonts on the scripto:

http://nwc-scriptorium.org/helpful.html#Fonts

Lawrie
3260
General Discussion / Re: Global Modification "Dynamic"
G'day Phan Anh,
the command is not hard, but I thought I'd give you a little bit extra...  At the bottom is a clip with several dynamics and notes.

If you read through it you'll see:

  • a treble clef defined
  • a time signature defined
  • the first dynamic
  • the first note
  • the next dynamic
  • the next note
  • & etc..
The layout of each line of the clip is consistent:

  • You start with a pipe character "|"
  • next you have the element type
  • then you have another "|" as a delimiter
  • then you have an element specific option
  • then you have another "|"
  • and more element specific options
  • & etc.
In the case of a Dynamic element the basic options are the Style E.G. fff or mp etc. then you have its position.  It is also possible to have other information such as velocity and volume overrides and visibility.

The Global_Mod command to identify an element as a dynamic and change it to p is as follows (assuming you are using the default "Global Modification (adp)" tool:

Dynamic Style=p

If you only wanted to modify ff dynamics to p then the command would be:

Dynamic,Style==ff Style=p

NB there is a space after the word "Dynamic" in the first example and after the "ff" in the second.  These spaces are essential.  In addition, the commands are case sensitive hence the the mixed case.

Also note the equals sign usage.  Comparison is double, assignment is single.

More information on how to formulate command strings is available in the help within the tool, just run the tool with a help command.

Code: [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Dynamic|Style:fff|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Dynamic|Style:ff|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Dynamic|Style:f|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Dynamic|Style:mf|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Bar
|Dynamic|Style:mp|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Dynamic|Style:p|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Dynamic|Style:pp|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Dynamic|Style:ppp|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Lawrie
3261
General Discussion / Re: Two questions
G'day Jeff,
I'm not quite sure what you're wanting here... The staff layering feature is usually used as an end in itself,  for achieving a visual result that you have great difficulty doing without the layering feature.

If you are trying to create chords, then you wouldn't normally use layering.  Chords are created by pressing <Ctrl-Enter> with the cursor placed at the appropriate position on the staff...

E.G. to create a C chord, place the cursor on the C space and press <Enter>, move the cursor up twice to the E space and press <Ctrl-Enter>, now up 2 more times to the G space and press <Ctrl-Enter> again.  This is a C chord on one staff.

I hope I'm on the right track here and this has been helpful,
Lawrie
3262
General Discussion / Re: Stanzas in NW
G'day Milan,
I'm curious.  It sounds like you using a new staff for each "stanza".  If so then I think you're missing a fundamental of how NWC works.

I refer you to my  https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5266.msg33899#msg33899 addressed to "Nik".

This way, the barline that separates the stanzas can be set to be a "system break" as described by David and each new stanza will be on a new "line".

There is also some discussion on putting several songs on the one page here: https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=2321

A little experimentation would also not go astray...

Lawrie
3263
General Discussion / Re: Multi Point Controller Question
G'day Milton,
Thanks for the response...

Ah got'st ut, ah got'st ut!  Though it took me a while to figure out!  Two percussion channels, one on 10 and one 11 (I also had it on 12 so I assume you could possibly use any channel) but in NWC2 you have to set MSB to 127 - presumably that corresponds to Controller 0 though it doesn't make sense that way to me - I kinda expected the low order byte (LSB) to be controller 0.

Did not work with my Audigy hardware synths, but that may have been the sound fonts I was using - I will explore this a bit further!

The test I method I used was to have an expression MPC vary the level of the 2 staves in opposite "directions".  I.E I had a Cymbal getting louder while a corresponding drum was getting softer.

As for the drum related files, I've seen them - even downloaded them, but haven't been able to really look into them for now.  I will get to them eventually.

NOW, as for your GuitarStrum file - I am now officially kicking myself.  I have not only already seen this file, I've downloaded,  played and understood it.  But do you think I've been smart enough to actually implement it?  Not on your Nellie!  The hard work I've done that this reminder shows I could have avoided!

I've also used your "newjazz" contribution on "the odd occasion".  Thankyou for the effort - it wasn't wasted!

Lawrie
3264
General Discussion / Re: Preview 1w Shift+Ctrl+Home buglet
Hmm, it appears that in my sleepy state I failed to realise that the work I was testing in has staves below the bottom of the screen and that I was testing in such a way that a screen redraw was necessary, thus the selection disappeared.

On retesting I find that <Ctrl-Home> works the same way as <Shift-Ctrl-Home> and does leave artifacts behind provided the screen does not need a redraw to display the new cursor position.

<Ctrl-End> and <Shift-Ctrl-End> do not seem to be leaving artifacts.

Lawrie
3266
General Discussion / Re: Preview 1w Shift+Ctrl+Home buglet
G'day Rick,
Interestingly, this behaviour is identical to <Ctrl-Home> and <Ctrl-End> which is documented in the Keyboard Guide.

However, I can't confirm the problem with highlighting - perhaps this is a video driver issue that is leaving artifacts behind?

Lawrie
3267
General Discussion / Re: Why has NoteWorthy dumped its UK customers??
Hi John,
OK, bad guess on my part - you got a CD.

I can only speculate but I'm sure there is a perfectly logical underlying reason.  Perhaps something to do with the practicalities of establishing the legality of the copy of 1.75.

Maybe PDSL's record keeping wasn't satisfactory and so NWC had to take steps that would otherwise have been out of character.

I'm certainly sure they would not want bootleg copies of pre-beta code making the rounds!  I'm quite confident that it is not simply greed.

Lawrie
3269
General Discussion / Re: Multi Point Controller Question
G'day Milton.
I have the Yamaha S-YXG50 but I can't see how to enable a second percussion channel - what am I missing?  Or do you mean to "mix'n'match" from the various percussion scattered amongst the other banks?

Graham,
great idea!  Hard to share without mp3 perhaps, but still good!

Lawrie
3271
General Discussion / Re: Layering Request
G'day John,
actually, you almost have...

In both NWC and NWC2, there is a layering toggle in the view menu.

The cursor does not return to the beginning of the staff when you toggle layering with this menu option.

However, I certainly agree that a toolbar button would be very welcome, as would a keyboard quick-key.

Quick visit to the wish list perhaps?

Lawrie
3272
General Discussion / Re: Why has NoteWorthy dumped its UK customers??
G'day David and Frank,
thanks for the enlightenment, but I still don't know if PDSL were supposed to supply CDs.

This appears to be John's real problem.  Though even then, I note the No.1 eligibility requirement...

In light of my lack of information, I will hazard a guess...

The purchase from PDSL did not, and was not supposed to, include a CD.  Thus the requirement for a direct purchase from NWC where a CD would have been forthcoming.

Easy, though perhaps unwelcome, answer: purchase the upgrade/replacement package.  $15 US probably only just covers production, administration and postage costs anyway...

If my guess is correct, then I can understand your frustration John.  Perhaps this is indicative of why the PDSL contract wasn't renewed.  I would guess there were administrative difficulties that made it unproductive or not cost effective for PDSL to ship CDs or for NWC to ship CDs for licences sold through PDSL.

The directive for you to purchase through PDSL may have been a contractual obligation...  I don't know how long the contract lasted, perhaps it predated CD shipments - you realise, of course, I'm now "talking through my hat".  However, I don't believe that NWC would have deliberately attempted to disenfranchise you.

Lawrie
3273
General Discussion / Re: Long measure rests
Hi Joel,
thought I'd post an example...  This is a snippet from something we do at church, there are several more staves missing as are tempo and dynamic marks etc.  This is not for playing, but for demoing the multi bar rest.

You need Boxmark2 at 22 pt as the User 1 font, staff size should be 25 pt.

Create a new song with 2 staves:

1st staff:

Code: [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#
|Instrument|Name:"Vocals"|Patch:53|Bank:0,0|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127|Pos:11
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar|Style:Double
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-5
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-5
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:n-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-6^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-6
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:n-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-1^
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-1
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5
|Bar|Style:Double
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:0^
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-5^
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1^
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Rest|Dur:4th
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
2nd staff:

Code: [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#,C#,G#
|Instrument|Name:"Muted Flugel Horn"|Patch:59|Trans:-2|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127|Pos:11
|TimeSig|Signature:4/4
|Text|Text:"[4]"|Font:User1|Pos:-1|Wide:Y
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double
|Text|Text:"[8]"|Font:User1|Pos:-1|Wide:Y
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole|Visibility:Never
|Bar|Style:Double
|PerformanceStyle|Style:Legato|Pos:-8|Visibility:Never
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Dotted|Pos:-1
|Rest|Dur:8th
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Slur|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:Half,Slur|Pos:-2
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half,Slur|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:0
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Bar
|Rest|Dur:Whole
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
To see the effect, preview as is, then hide the Vocal staff and preview again.

I did this example manually, but...

If you visit the Newsgroup, Kjeld Hansen has posted an NWC2 user tool for doing this job automatically.  You just put in the rest bars, don't worry about thinking about multi barring 'em, and when you're ready, run Kjelds user tool and voila.  Works "reel good ut do" :)

Lawrie
3274
General Discussion / Re: Why has NoteWorthy dumped its UK customers??
G'day John,
umm, could you enlighten me a bit please?  Did PDSL (whoever they are) not supply you with the CD?

I have no idea what the arrangements for the UK were but I would think that since NWC have been sending CDs out for at least the 3 1/2 years I've been using the product then I would think this PDSL mob should also have.

If they should have but didn't your real beef should probably be with them.  The requirement is that you have a 1.75 CD.  This is because the NWC2 install requires files from that CD and you can't install without it.

I imagine this is deliberate in order to prevent bootleg copies of NWC2 getting out there.  It isn't a finished product at this stage, although it's pretty damn good!

Lawrie
3275
Version 1.75 Discussion / Re: Midi import problem
G'day Zac,
is it actually a MIDI file or is it a Finale file?  If the latter then NWC can't open it.  If the former, then I suggest it probably has a "glitch" in it.

Lawrie
3276
General Discussion / Re: Multi Point Controller Question
G'day Debo,
Short answer: no.

Long answer: While I haven't done any thorough testing, the couple of quickie tests I did suggests the answer is still no :)

This would be a midi limitation.  Perhaps "MIDI Man" could confirm/clarify a little...

Lawrie
3277
General Discussion / Re: Long measure rests
G'day Joel,
the work around is still required.

However, I'd like to suggest a better way...

Rather than using a hidden repeat (I used to do this, then I saw a work by Carl Fritsche) use as many 1 bar rests as it takes to have the correct delay.

Then mark all the rests and all but one barline as print | never.

Next, using the Boxmarks (Boxmark2) font, create a text entry for the multibar rest for printing.  Make sure you set it to preserve width on.

This way, when you look at a full score, everything lines up correctly and when you print the part, the multi bar rest does its thing.

Lawrie
3278
General Discussion / Re: Multi Point Controller Question
G'day Debo,
In a word, no.  However... Depending on the part, is it worth using a separate staff for each voice and layer them?  That way, instead of a staff of rests, you have a staff of notes that comprise one voice of every chord...

Or perhaps have a visible muted staff and several hidden sounding ones...

If you were using NWC2, there are some user tools that make separating/combining this kind of thing very easy.

A problem with the dim/cresc combo is that each staff would need to be a different MIDI channel too.

Lawrie
3279
General Discussion / Re: Forum navigation glitch?
Hmm, I think a little paranoia can be a good thing, but it is important to establish a reasonable balance...

Losing you favourites might be a little too cautious but I must say, I absolutely never allow IE to remember passwords for me.

Coming from a network support background, security is something I take very seriously and this "feature" of IE (and the other browsers if the truth be told) is in my opinion, the single most irresponsible piece of coding I've ever seen.  Always excluding virii and spyware and the like of course.

Hmm, must be a hobby horse to elicit that strength of response...

Lawrie :)
3280
General Discussion / Re: Forum navigation glitch?
G'day David,
...scroll wheel... Doh!  Missed that.

As for the 75 items - What I normally do is click on the Activity link at the top of the normal forum page.

This sorts the the most recent to the top.  Then I can see where I'm up to by which links are grey.  The top grey one is the most recent one I've read.  Any blue ones above it have new stuff!

Of course, this depends on you not deleting files in IE's | Tools | Options |

Lawrie
3281
General Discussion / Re: wish list entry re hairpins
I guess that's what he did... think it!

Just goes to show though - what an amazing imagination and skill level to be able to create music and write it down without ever actually hearing it (I know he is reported to have felt the vibrations when composing but it's still impressive)!

Lawrie
3282
General Discussion / Re: Forum navigation glitch?
Hey g'day David, owyagoinmateorright?

Sorry, but I can't report the same problems you're having on that page - works good for me.

Without wanting to sound smart are you sure the windows were active - that catches me all the time.  Windows decides to make another window the focus and I don't notice - I have a 2 monitor setup and the focus often goes to another window on the screen I'm not looking at - grrr.  Like I said, catches me all the time.

As for the recent pages, I did a message count and guess what - both recent lists have 75 messages.  I guess recent means "last 75 posts" not last x days.

Lawrie
3283
General Discussion / Re: Need adapter for Yamaha PSR-175 keyboard
Hmm, Rick makes a good point!  The supply must have the correct voltage rating as specified by the keyboard.

When selecting a replacement power supply for any device, the voltage rating must match the specification.  The current rating must meet but can exceed the specification.

E.G.  If the keyboard specifies 12V @ 900mA then a supply that can deliver 12V @ 1.25A is fine, but one that delivers 9V @ a maximum 1.25A is no good 'cause the voltage is too low.  One that delivers 12V @ a maximum of 500mA is also no good 'cos while the voltage is correct it can't deliver enough current.

Hope that's a little clearer - probably too much information :)

Lawrie
3284
General Discussion / Re: Need adapter for Yamaha PSR-175 keyboard
Hi Ashley,
Is there a possibility of overloading the keyboard if you run too many amps through it?
Short answer - no

Long answer - the current (amp) rating of the supply is simply what they supply can deliver.  The actual current that will flow is dictated by the supply voltage and the "load".

The "load" is the resistance/impedance of the keyboards internal workings.

This is a case of [abbr=or should that be Ohms']Ohm's[/abbr] law:
I=V/R where I=current in Amps, V=voltage in Volts and R=Resistance in Ohms

Lawrie
3285
General Discussion / Re: wish list entry re hairpins
G'day William,
a crescendo over a held note for either of them would, of course, be impossible...

Actually, I'm sure I read somewhere that good ol' Ludwig van Beethoven did write crescendos on held notes on a piano in one/some of the work(s) that he produced after he went deaf.

Sadly I don't remember which one(s), nor did a quick google search find reference.

Of course, the reference I refer to may have wrong.

Lawrie
3286
General Discussion / Re: Missing font - nwc2stda.ttf
G'day Alexander,
you didn't mention Windows\fonts - The font really should be installed to this directory.

If it is in fact there, then you probably have too many fonts installed - delete some you're sure you don't use/need.

If you do need to install it, you can usually just copy the font to the fonts folder and Windows will do the install.  If not then you can do the install from the Fonts applet in control Panel.

Lawrie
3289
General Discussion / Re: Unable to download NWC sample scores
Hey Bob, you posted while I was still writing... :)

You must have IE6 - the plug-in got broken by IE6 and NWC's response was to create the viewer which shouldn't be able to be broken as easily.  This problem was not specific to the NWC plug-in - all the 16 bit, Mozilla (read Netscape et al) compatible plug-ins got broken by this move.

Install the viewer and it will fix it.

Lawrie
3290
General Discussion / Re: Unable to download NWC sample scores
G'day Bob,
actually guys, this sounds more like a mime type issue in IE.

Bob was talking about downloading from the NWC site.

Somewhere there is discussion regarding this problem that sometimes crops up.

If you're running XP, open a folder in Windows explorer, goto |Tools | Folder Options | "File Types" tab, scroll to NWC and highlight (click) and look at the details pane.  It should say "Opens with Noteworthy Composer..."

If you click the advanced button you can check the actions and set the default, but before you do, keep reading...

IIRC the easiest answer is to simply install the viewer - http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/nwc2/viewer.htm - This has the double advantage of allowing you to open NWC1 files in the NWC editor and to play NWC2 files in the viewer Provided you have Automatic Launch into NWC enabled.

It is also dependant on the web site sending the correct mime type in the first place!

See https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=4709, especially https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=4709.msg29534#msg29534

Can't hurt to give it a go!

Lawrie
3291
General Discussion / Re: Compatibility
G'day John,
I haven't tried it but as 2k3 server is really just a fat version of XP you shouldn't have any problems given that NWC works on XP.

For the most part, if it works on XP it will work on 2k3 server - there are some notable exceptions to this but they are deliberate cripplings - E.G. Stomps BackupMyPc - used to be BackupExec.  Does not work on 2k3 server because it's been deliberately coded not to.  Just one example of many...

I'm not aware of any products that just don't work by accident.

Lawrie
3292
General Discussion / Re: Octave change indicator
Hi Ewan,

But then you don't get a clef at the beginning of the next line! - true, but you could always use a hidden staff for playback and have the visible one muted...

Lawrie
3293
General Discussion / Re: Breve idea
Hi guys,
I haven't piped up before in this discussion 'cos I wanted to think about it...

While I agree that using 0 for a breve could be useful, I'm not sure that it is more useful than having 0 centre the cursor in the staff.

I often input without looking at the screen and to be able to know exactly where the insertion point is (vertically) without looking at the screen is something I find useful.  I concede that it is not all the time, but for me it would be infinitely more often than the need to input a breve, as I have never needed a breve yet.

Please note this is a personal impact statement, not intended to suggest that breves are unnecessary.

Aside from older choral music, just how often are breves seen now?  Would a button on the tool bar similar to the current [abbr=64th note]hemidemisemiquaver[/abbr] be sufficient?

In any case, NWC are yet to implement breves so at this point the discussion is academic.

Lawries 2 cents worth.
3294
General Discussion / Re: auto printing of order form
G'day Nik,
just spotted something that may help:

In your reply to David you mention "...print-offs do not look like the screen....notes beginning halfway through the staff in the printed...'auto-justify'...'return carriage'...one long line of music..."

I know you said no response is necessary but if I'm right then this is something I suspect you might not "get it" in a hurry as some don't.  If I'm wrong I apologise... Anyway, a small hint:

In the edit window, each staff continues off to the right indefinitely - they do not wrap!

To see the wrap, you need to use preview.

If you create successive staves in the edit window, these correspond to additional instruments like a conductors score, they are not the next line of music for the first instrument.

To see what I mean, open the file "moonlight" in:
"C:\Program Files\Noteworthy Composer\Samples"

This file is a piano score.  In the edit window you see 2 staves; piano right and left hands going off into infinity to the right.  In the preview screen you see a full page of music as this is where the music wraps.

NWC is not WYSIWYG.

In your next post... "...ran out of ink... (too many damn order forms...)"  I wonder if NWC has shares in the printer ink companies? - just kidding - :)

Lawrie
3295
General Discussion / Re: auto printing of order form
Hi Nik,
it's now late here too...  So I'll try to be brief.

"encouragement" - use whatever term you want here if that one seems inappropriate.  For myself, I HATE pop up nag screens.  I find they seriously detract from the assessment experience - so much so that if I'm testing a product that does this during use I simply don't buy it.  A nag screen at startup is different, I don't mind that at all.  To that end I much prefer a forced order form.  In this case it at least doesn't happen until the last step.

"...self destruct"  I really can't comment, as I said, I don't have access to their previous results from whatever has been done and I no longer remember all the details of the demo functionality - it's been too long.

"...include a limit, say 25 copies"  To my mind, most people can determine suitability in much less than 25 printouts - I suspect that virtually no one would ever see it.

"...haven't received enough complaints...net negative..." In several years - don't remember exactly how many - you are the first I'm aware of.  Perhaps most of us have done primary testing without paper at all until the last step of actually printing a score to use... As previously stated, preview is a wonderful tool.

"...compelling evidence"  You are unlikely to see any - your point of view (please don't be offended, this is not intended as a criticism) is such that there can be no compelling evidence, just as I will never be convinced to change my mind about certain issues.  "A man convinced against his will is of his own opinion still."

While I have enjoyed this "little game of tennis" I think it's time to stop.  I can only give you my view on things, I cannot speak for NWC.

In the meantime, if you are still assessing suitability, then install a PDF creator and don't print any paper...

Actually, you could test something for me.  Normally, in a print dialogue, you have the choice of selecting which pages to print... You know print pages 2 to 7 say.  If I'm right, the order form won't print.  I can't believe I didn't think of that before!

Lawrie
3296
General Discussion / Re: auto printing of order form
Hi Nik,
in order...

"...shut down after the demo period?"  to be honest, it's been so long since I used the demo I can't remember exactly.  I seem to recall only being able to save files a limited number of times but that's about it.

"...7 days and the it self destructs."  Dunno 'bout you but I couldn't possibly test a product of this nature in 7 days.  My time is so limited I usually do my NWC related activities between 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM - with occasional bouts of access through the day if I happen to be working from my own computer.

"Re: 'encouragement'..."  If we lived in a Utopia then I would agree entirely.  Unfortunately, in the real world out there, "there be thieves".

Is it NECESSARY? As I mentioned before, I cannot speak for the developers so I have no way of knowing what strategies have been tried and what has had what degree of success.

Does this translate out to "I approve of the current methods"? No!  Does it mean I disapprove, again No!  I simply do not have sufficient data to make a reasoned assessment.

No one does as the developers have not seen fit to share their research and experience in this area.  Nor do I believe it necessary for them to do so - there are such things as trade secrets and this may fall in that category.

For that matter, perhaps they simply haven't thought about that aspect, just as you didn't think about overprinting or using both sides.

Rather than jumping onto the forum with this criticism, wouldn't it have been worth dropping them a polite email first.  My experience with NWC support is that they are very responsive and where possible take great pains to try to satisfy.

In any case, we each have the power to use alternative methods for assessing the printing facilities:

  • Print Preview
  • Print to PDF (not hard, download one of the many free PDF creators and install it - no configuring necessary, just another printer device in Windows)
  • Overprint used pages
  • Print both sides.
Lawrie
3297
General Discussion / Re: auto printing of order form
Nik,
unfortunately the industry I'm in generates an obscene amount of waste in the form of packaging.

It appears that manufacturers of modern technology seem to think that their products need protection when being transported around the world.

We recycle where possible and try (where possible) to purchase from vendors like Kyocera who at least seem to be trying to minimise waste.

As for overprinting the orderform.  I'm assuming you are using a laser printer.  As long as the toner has been properly fused on the previous pass there should be no problem overprinting.

If you have an inkjet, wait till the ink is dry.  If a dot matrix, then there's no problem at all, though the paper will be pretty ordinary by the time you're finished.

If you have a wax printer then forget it.  The paper gets wasted!

As for printing an orderform with every job in the demo, I cannot answer for the developers but may I suggest that if there weren't some "incentive" (read reminder), the vast majority of "tyre kickers" would continue to use the product without paying for it.

So what do you suggest?

Perhaps a big "watermark" over the page?  Easy on a laser, not so easy on an inkjet, harder still on a dot matrix.  In any case it would seriously detract from being able to see clearly the results.  Hmm, not such a good alternative afterall.

Maybe, as you suggest, only printing the orderform after every tenth "test" print - not much of an "incentive" there, virtually no annoyance value.  In any case how do you count it - entries in the registry?  An .ini file?  Some marker in the music file itself?

What if the product becomes really crippled?  But then you can't give it a real test because the very features you need to test may be amongst those that are unavailable.  You can't easily predict which features that will be because your needs are different to mine etc..

The reality is, as you have indicated yourself, the developer needs to be rewarded otherwise there would be no product for us to use or bitch about.

So there must be some way to encourage payment.  As far as possible I use paper that comes from recycled sources - not always possible but I try.

If you and most others do the same then a "few" wasted sheets (that could easily be overprinted multiple times) is a much smaller price to pay than the obscene waste (which I despise) that is involved in selling computers and other such hardware which is part of my business (network integrator and computer reseller).

I'm sure NWC would be open for reasonably achievable alternatives but please don't get so hung up on this that you miss out on what is, in my opinion, the most flexible and user friendly music notation software available.  I've checked a lot of them out and while some of the others have some very desirable features that are not (yet, one hopes) in NWC the sheer ease of use of NWC far outweighs them.

Yes, let us help save forests, I fully concur.  Hemp makes very good paper, but most governments around the world won't let you grow it!  And I don't mean the varieties high in THC either!  Lobby your government to allow alternative pulp sources - you won't get far because the global logging industries are far too powerful.  Yet I suggest it is better to attack them than the developers of any useful piece of software!

Lawrie
3299
General Discussion / Re: more staff on writing page
Hi Marjan,
I think I now understand what you're asking.

David's response actually covers this but perhaps I can simplify it a little.

Just to be sure I understand let's check:

  • You seem to understand that the edit window is continuous.
  • You want to have a "break" in the printout so that a certain bar starts on a new "line"
If I am correct then:

  • You can easily force a particular bar to be at the start of a new "line".  This is done using the "Force System Break".  Highlight the barline that is at the beginning of the bar that you want on the new line. Press <Alt-Enter> to get to its properties. On the "Bar Line" tab click in the "Force System Break..." check box.  Click OK
  • The preceeding "line" will be stretched out to fill the entire page width.  This is not always very attractive so you may need to use the method in step 1 to force some additional "system breaks" to tidy things up.
Please let me know if this is a better answer for you.

Lawrie
3300
General Discussion / Re: auto printing of order form
Actually Nik,
while I applaud your stated sentiment, you are equally at fault.  Surely after the second order form appeared you realised that they were going to keep coming.  Why didn't you simply keep putting an already printed order form in your MP/manual feed tray and over print it the next 28 times?

Surely 30 print jobs constitutes a production run, not a test of a demo!

To refuse to buy a product as excellent as NWC simply because you failed to recognise an opportunity to reduce waste is very petty.

Lawrie