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Messages - Lawrie Pardy

3201
General Discussion / Re: What is the symbol called...
G'day Ted,
I must concur with Barry - and every other "Ozzie".  Only by Americans are we called "Awsie" and to our ears it sounds quite silly!  :)

As for pronounciation of "Australia" you'll find it is more like "ozstRAylia" although you'll find a few who elide the "Au" altogether and pronounce it as "'stRAylia" - This was very common post WWII but now seems to be disappearing.

We tend to elide letters and run everything together.

F'rinstance - "How are you going mate?" would be something like "owyagoinmate?" And quite often you will hear an "orrite" (alright) on the end.

As for my greeting "G'day", the "G" is fairly soft and the emphasis is on the "day".  It is not really "GIDday" as [abbr=again, mainly Americans]some[/abbr] seem to think, though in some Australian states it does drift towards "gidday".

Seeyalatermate,
Lawrie
3202
General Discussion / Re: Tacet
G'day Josh,
I'm just back from work...

I've looked at your NWC file, and it seems to me that the tacet directives are redundant.  If your score is reasonably accurate then they don't seem necessary to me unless the writer is simply trying to emphasize that there should be some absolute silences...

As for my email, if you are a registered user and have registered for NNTP newsgroup access then my email is discernable in my messages - I am reluctant to publicise it as I already get more spam than I need and these forums are searchable, the NG is not.

Lawrie
3203
General Discussion / Re: Tacet
G'day Josh,
you will not normally see a tacet for a single bar, especially one with a rest!.  It will apply to an entire section, or perhaps one of a set of repeats, or a movement...

Lawrie
3204
General Discussion / Re: Tacet
G'day josh,
you can simulate a tacet by placing a dynamic with a velocity override...

At an appropriate place in the work, place a dynamic (hidden if necessary) then change its properties to have a velocity override of 1.  This has the effect of (all but) silencing the note.  When sound should be heard, place an appropriate dynamic without the velocity override (hidden if appropriate) and voila.

Figureing out the correct locations for the dynamics is the hardest part!

Lawrie
3205
General Discussion / Re: Bug with ties
G'day,
...highlight the first chord and turn its ties off. You get the same oddity only going backwards from the second chord.

I've seen this in 1x too.  I think it started happening about the time NWC2 was updated for notes with accidentals tied across a barline...

Lawrie
3206
General Discussion / Re: Accidental positioning anomaly in 1y
G'day all,
I read up a bit on this in my Alfred's "Essential Dictionary of Musical Notation".  It has quite a bit to say about the placement of accidentals but a few specific excerpts may help:

  • Alignment for Intervals:
    • For intervals of a 2nd through a 6th, place the upper accidental closest to the note, the lower accidental to the left.
    • When intervals are greater than a 6th, accidentals align vertically.
    • For the interval of a 6th, if the two accidentals don't collide they may be aligned vertically.
  • Alignment for Chords (3 notes)
    • When outer notes are a 6th or less, the upper accidental is closest the note, the lower accidental is placed left, and the middle accidental is placed farthest left.
    • When outer notes are greater than a 6th, upper and lower accidentals are aligned closest to the notes - the middle accidental is placed to the left.
  • Alignment for Chords (More than 3 Notes)
    • When dealing with accidentals for complex chords, rules are treated more as guidelines or suggestions.  Keep the arrangement of the accidentals as compact as possible.
  • Make the arrangement of accidentals as easy to read as possible for the situation.
    • Align the highest and lowest accidentals whenever possible
    • The Centre accidentals are usually arranged diagonally from highest to lowest.
    • Align accidentals for octaves whenever possible.
    • Accidentals for the 2nd should usually be shaped like the 2nd (if the outer notes are greater than a 6th).

      The upper accidental is placed closest to the note, the lower accidental to the left.

    • Accidentals are always placed before the entire note structure.  (Do not place an accidental between notes that are played together, even if they are stemmed in opposite direction.)
The second example fits the pattern as described by my buddy Alf.

Say Rick, a jazz standard an oxymoron?  What about "Basin St. Blues" or "In the Mood" - they're standards aren't they? <vbg>

Lawrie
3207
General Discussion / Re: Overlapping chords with runs
G'day David,
tristate - 3 states - it can exist in any of 3 conditions or states..

E.G. a normal light switch is bistate - it can be on or off.

Not to be confused with tri- or bistable.  Take the reset switch on your computer.  It is bistate, but monostable.  I.E. it can be on or off but will only rest (be stable) in the off position.

Lawrie
3208
General Discussion / Re: Connecting a MD-992 to PC.
G'day Kyle,
I think you'll find that is the wrong cable.

Normally on a PC, the MIDI port is an adaption to the game port that requires a conversion cable - Check https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5233, especially https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5233.msg33569#msg33569 there's a link there to a circuit diagram that will allow you to make your own, or you could always check out some of the local electronics shops...

Lawrie
3210
General Discussion / Re: Overlapping chords with runs
G'day Nathan,
if you know how to make the chord that is being held, then you already have the knowledge you need.

Simply chord the first [abbr=8th note]quaver[/abbr] with the chord you already have.  The following 7 quavers will then fill out the bar correctly.

There will only be a problem of the first quaver needs to be in the "middle" of the chord.  E.G a 'C' chord where the 'C' and the 'G' are held but the 'E' between them is the quaver.

In this case you will need to use layering as suggested by Francis.

Lawrie
3211
General Discussion / Re: Hidden note display anomaly in Preview 1x
For display purposes I think this proposed "anchor" should have all of the visual attributes of a normal note.

E.G. we should be able to attach articulations (for use in layering AND to allow us to display articulations easily in arbitrary positions.

E.E.G In most of the jazz charts I see, articulations are shown above (sometimes) below the staff and always in pretty much the same vertical position regardless of the note position.

So, articulations, slurs, ties (this may cause playback problems...), accidentals, "hairpins" etc.

I don't think it needs "stem direction" or "grace" attributes and it absolutely must not consume time.

That's about it for me.

Lawrie
3212
General Discussion / Re: Very strange playback problem (unlike rest)
G'day Mike,
you might try not using the MIDI mapper...  NWC will quite happily address your MIDI synth directly without using the MIDI mapper.

This is, of course, a work around for your underlying problem, but on the other hand, I never use the mapper anyhow.  As for the "disappearing MIDI", are you installing or using any software that may try to override the MIDI configuration?

Can you repair it from control panel without a (I assume) system restore?

Have you checked for spyware and other exploits?

I highly recommend you check the M$ support site http://support.microsoft.com and search the knowledgebase for similar problems.

...That's probably enough for now  :)

Lawrie
3214
General Discussion / Re: sequencing
G'day rikbel,
I dunno if this is absolutely correct, but I've always understood "sequencing" to be the creation of a MIDI rendition of a musical work.

Thus creating a work in NWC, if that work is to be exported as a MIDI, could be considered sequencing.  However most people seem to mean a more detailed effort in a sequencing product like Cakewalk when they refer to it.  These products generally give more access to controllers and absolute timing of events etc.

Lawrie
3215
General Discussion / Re: Double-barreled notes
G'day Michael,
How do I use them with ledger lines? - I can think of 2 possibilities:

  • Use a semibreve and position the text breve over the top of it.
  • Use underscores - three underscores in the lyric font is pretty close to the length of a normal ledger line.  I suggest the lyric font as it scales with the score if you change the staff size...
Boxmark2 comes in a ZIP file.  Extract this file anywhere you like, though I usually create a folder to extract ZIPs into so I can check 'em out before committing.

To install Boxmark2 - the "correct" way is to use the Fonts applet in control panel, but you can simply copy the Boxmark2.ttf file into the C:\Windows\fonts folder.  It amounts to the same thing...

Lawrie
3216
General Discussion / Re: Hidden note display anomaly in Preview 1x
G'day Pär,

Combine Extra Note Spacing with Extra Accidental Spacing maybe...? - unfortunately this only moves accidentals to the left, doesn't move notes further right.

A zero length note would affect the appearance of the note chase in playback - I'm not keen on that BUT your next suggestion of an "anchor" character that can be used to position slurs etc. is very interesting!  Perhaps this is an answer to controlling slur shape as well!  However, it must be able to be positioned much the same as text - Left/Centre/Right Justified, best fit/next note/best fit forward etc.. - I think you should stick this in the wish-list!

BTW, can't you use a text expression with a few spaces to add more white space before/after your notes...? - unfortunately this creates "space" on all staves, not just the one you're working on...  The end result is that the layout remains the same, just more stretched out.

Lawrie
3217
General Discussion / Re: tranferring cassette music to a cd format
G'day Rich,
this isn't actually hard, just takes a few steps...

  • Connect your cassette player line-out to the line-in of your sound card.
  • Use a "recorder" application to record from the "line-in" of your sound card to .wav format.  Windows recorder is not useful for this without some fiddling... IF you have a creative sound card you should have a suitable product in "Creative Wave Studio".  There are also several free products you can download like "Audacity" which will let you export in .wav format.
  • Having saved your .wav file, you can now launch you burner product (Roxio).
  • You now need to start a project that will create an audio CD.  While some very recent car CD players can now recognise MP3 and other formats, only the original audio format is guaranteed to work in all players, with the exception that some older CD players (domestic as well as car) do not read burnt CDs.
  • Select you new .wav file(s) for burning and burn away...
You should now have what you're after.

Lawrie
3218
General Discussion / Re: RestChord alignment problem
G'day Rick,
I concur.

Although you said you didn't need a fix I experimented a little, and as expected, extra note space fixes the alignment but also highlights another issue...

The accidental ends up too far from the chord.  What I haven't figured out is: is there any reason for an accidental not to move with a note that has extra note space assigned?  Or if this is desirable, then similar to something I've mentioned somewhere else; extra accidental space could use a negative value.

Lawrie
3219
General Discussion / Re: Hidden note display anomaly in Preview 1x
G'day Pär,
In general, I can understand why the edit window is different to print preview...  If they were both exactly the same, then it would be very difficult to select items for editing in the edit window.  They must take up horizontal space in order to be selectable.

However, if their (invisible notes) space was taken up in the preview window (or when printed) then the output would be irregular.

As I see it, the real problem arises when using invisible objects to position other things like beams and slurs etc.

In my case, the headless invisible note with extra note spacing of 3 allowed me to position my slur fairly well, though I would have liked an option of 4.  I note that if I simply have an invisible note it works just as well, as would a rest if it had the extra note spacing attribute available.

In the beaming example, the results seem quite different,  When the note is invisible, the layered staff is closing up the spacing because the leading note has nothing to align with.

I agree that more consistency between the edit window and the print preview/printed page would be good here, but I would be concerned about the risk of compromising other editing features.

Afterall, the purpose of print preview is to check alignment and other appearance issues.

Perhaps the real problem in this instance is that beaming, on the first note, should take into account extra note spacing regardless of visibility, but then, if the note is headless, the problem disappears with the exception that the spacing is now 1 notehead width greater than it really needs to be.

Actually, with that in mind, I think I'd like to see the extra note space attribute extended... Instead of 0 to 3 I'd like to see -2 to 5, or at the very least -1 to 4

Lawrie
3220
General Discussion / Re: Prodikeys
G'day Swamplady,
theoretically, it is possible to input to NWC from any MIDI keyboard.

I have an older Creative product called "Blasterkeys" that works fine, I just don't use it 'cos I'm not a keyboard player and am not up to the task!

As for whether the "Prodikeys" product is any good - that's a harder question.  Personally I think I would find it awkward having a set of piano keys in front of my normal keyboard.  Where would I rest my wrists? (I don't always have the best posture!)  I guess you'll have to figure that one out for yourself...

Happy new year!
Lawrie
3221
General Discussion / Re: Bug: Grace Note Spacing in Preview 1x
Hmm, I think I can see what Rick is getting at.  If you look at the 2nd grace note it lines up almost on top of the barline where the first one doesn't.  You can see it in Print Preview.

I haven't explored any other combinations in detail yet - not really in the mood to investigate at the moment :)

Lawrie
3222
General Discussion / Re: Hidden note display anomaly in Preview 1x
G'day Rick,
I just had my first real look at the problem as described in your opening post - did you notice that the alignment problem only occurs when you beam the notes in the lower staff?

Of course, I'm guessing from the second set of clips that cross staff beaming is what you're playing with...

Lawrie
3223
General Discussion / Re: Sharps and flats
G'day Bart,
you could try transposing the works.

E.G. if the imported midi is coming us in, say, the key of E. (4 sharps).  If you transpose up 2 semitones (with update staff playback transposition) then the new displayed key will be F which is perfect for your trumpeter, and as an added bonus, the NWC playback will sound the same!  (F contains only Bb in the key sig)

For you hor player I'm not so sure, if it is a Bb horn,m then the same rules will apply, if horn in F then the transposition is different.  In that case you transpose up 7 semitones and the key signature will change to B (5 sharps, not so good).

However if you play around with the initial key first (with no update staff playback transposition) and transpose everything to, say, Eb, Bb, F, C, G or D then the second transposition (with update staff playback transposition) for correct playback so what they play matches what the computer plays.

However, the real solution is for the kids to learn the rest of their fingering - and no, I'm not being impatient, I realise it takes time hence the suggestion above.

Lawrie

Edit - just reread this and noticed a glaring error - transposing from E to F is just 1 semitone up, NOT 2 as stated - sorry folks.

3225
General Discussion / Re: Hidden note display anomaly in Preview 1x
G'day Pär,
I must disagree with you on this one - one of the most useful aspects of headless notes is that you can supply your own heads as text.

As an example, Robert A. has created a set of scripts that allows placement of round noteheads (specific request) and for heads containing letters (note names - another special request).

If headless notes were treated as being non existent for note spacing for printing purposes then this functionality would break.

Incidently, I've just notated a transcription of the Overture to William Tell [here on the scripto] where I've used headless, invisible notes to position a slur, using extra note space, and it worked perfectly.  If the extra note spacing had not worked, the slur would not have positioned correctly.  The relevant bars are in the clips below.

Lawrie

Staff 1 (to be layered with staff 2):

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#
|Tempo|Base:Eighth|Tempo:60|Pos:16
|TimeSig|Signature:3/8
|Dynamic|Style:p|Pos:-12|Justify:Right
|Rest|Dur:32nd|Opts:Stem=Up,VertOffset=6
|Text|Text:"poco"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:-15|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|TempoVariance|Style:Accelerando|Pos:-15
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:5^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,ArticulationsOnStem,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-7|Opts:Muted
|Bar
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Beam=First,ArticulationsOnStem,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:7^|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-7|Opts:Muted
|Bar
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:9^|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,Tie=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-7|Opts:Muted
|Bar
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:9|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:32nd,Staccato|Pos:9|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:12|Opts:Stem=Up
|Rest|Dur:8th|Opts:VertOffset=-8|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Dynamic|Style:p|Pos:-16|Justify:Right
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Crescendo,Beam=End
|Bar|Style:Double
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
Staff 2:

Code: [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#
|TimeSig|Signature:3/8
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,XAccSpace=1,XNoteSpace=3,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=12,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,Beam,XNoteSpace=1,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,Beam,XNoteSpace=1,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,XNoteSpace=2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=14,Beam=End
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:-7,-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,XAccSpace=1,XNoteSpace=3,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=12,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,Beam,XNoteSpace=1,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,Beam,XNoteSpace=1,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,XNoteSpace=2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=14,Beam=End
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:-7,-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,XAccSpace=1,XNoteSpace=3,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=12,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,Beam,XNoteSpace=1,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,Beam,XNoteSpace=1,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam,XNoteSpace=2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=14,Beam=End
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:-7,-2|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward,Tie=Downward
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=1,XAccSpace=1,XNoteSpace=3,Muted|Visibility:Never
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=8,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-12z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0,Beam,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-11z|Opts:Stem=Down,StemLength=0,Beam=End,NoLegerLines
|Note|Dur:8th,Slur|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Down,XNoteSpace=1
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=6|Visibility:Never
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-7,-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-8|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-7,-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-8|Visibility:Never
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-7,-5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Down,VertOffset=-8|Visibility:Never
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
3226
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day Geoff,
Gloating?!? - mate, I'd gladly swap ya.  "See it snow, see it snow, see it snow!" :)

G'day Tony,
thankyou.  As for the sales - well, people I like, crowds I hate - just don't have enough patience for 'em. Too chaotic for someone who likes order and peacefulness like me...

Blessya,
Lawrie
3229
General Discussion / Re: Bug report - highlighting in Edit window and beyond.
G'day David,
coupla' points
  • The problem is not confined to NWC
  • The behaviour is like that of holding down the shift key.
Something that we used to see a lot was systems that "got lost" when it came to remembering the Shift, Control and Alt key status.

If I'm correct, press and release each <Shift>, <Ctrl> and <Alt> key at least twice without pressing any other keys.
I.E.
<Left-Shift>, <Left-Shift>, <Right-Shift>, <Right-Shift>,
<Left-Ctrl>, <Left-Ctrl>, <Right-Ctrl>, <Right-Ctrl>,
<Left-Alt>, <Left-Alt>, <Right-Alt>, <Right-Alt>
and the problem will "go away".

This can be caused by a number of things:
  • Slow PC
  • Dodgy Keyboard Driver
  • Dodgy Mouse Driver (Yes, Mouse Driver, and ANYTHING Logitech is a good candidate - nice hardware, crook software - going back at least 15 years that I can remember!)
  • Dodgy BIOS
  • Cheap (read dodgy) Motherboard
  • LOTS of active software running concurrently
  • Or the corollary to the above, not enough RAM for the tasks at hand
  • Malware (a key logger or 2 would be good candidates - anything that interrupts the keyboard data stream)
are the most common.

Another possibility: given the new monitor - did you also install a new video card?  Given Windows close integration with video drivers, perhaps this is the culprit (the driver I mean, hardware is not usually the direct cause)

Lawrie
3231
General Discussion / Re: What NWC 2 SHOULD HAVE!
Merry Christmas all!

G'day Rick,
Audit Bar Lines is a good way to ruin an hour's work  I understand your pain :) but don't forget "<Ctrl-Z> is your friend!"  :)

G'day David,
umm (says Lawrie showing his iggerence) I don't know what a2 means either - please edjamakate me.  From context I think I can guess, but an accurate explanation would be welcome.

G'day klerg,
The case against forced barlines - hmm, the reasons are probably as varied as the number of NWC users but here are a couple:
  • free form input allows ideas to be roughly notated before having to be too worried about rhythmic pattern
  • when making changes to a voice (adding and deleting notes, rests, changing time values etc.) you don't want the software forcing you all over the shop just because it doesn't fit the software's view on where the barlines should be and thus breaking up notes and tieing them over barlines etc. when the end result won't be that anyway.
  • when using varying metronome marks (hidden) to make fake n-tuplets
  • when matching other voices by varying note values so the match up with the above...
  • when inputing triplets.
This list is what I could think of in the time it took me to type - perhaps 1 minute.  I'm sure there are lots more reasons that other users could just a easily list just as quickly.

I highly recommend you download and read the Command summary on the scripto.

Also, as advised in an earlier post,  if you are a registered user, signup for newsgroup access here: https://www.noteworthysoftware.com/newsgroup/signup.php

Lawrie
3232
General Discussion / Re: What NWC 2 SHOULD HAVE!
G'day again klerg,
Beaming: I won't go into a full on lesson here, but basically you have 2 staves, one voice is on the top staff with all stems up, the second voice is on the next staff with all stems down.

Beam each staff as appropriate.  On the first staff, go to its properties and on the "Visual" tab select "Layer with next staff".  From the "View" menu, select "Allow layering".

The result is that the 2 staves now overlay each other and your beamed notes work correctly.

Forced barlines: Mate, just work with the product for a while.  You will very quickly come to appreciate the lack of this feature.  Actually, if you want an editing comparison, download Finale Notepad (it's a freebie) and try to create a work in it, and then the same work in NWC - you will soon realise just how superior the NWC user interface is!  Especially if you're trying to enter several voices.

As for accidentals (natural), unless you're editing text, they're available on the tool bar.  If you want access to accidentals as text, you can use the NVCV15.TTF for NWC1.75 or the NWC2STDA.TTF for NWC2.  You can also download the Boxmark fonts from the scripto (see the front page for a link)

Lawrie
3233
General Discussion / Re: What NWC 2 SHOULD HAVE!
G'day klerg,
Beaming: Use the layering function...  there are workarounds for more complicated beaming functions like between staves etc. that would be nice to have.

Forced barlines: Please NO - the lack of forced barlines is one of the single most useful things about editing in NWC - Audit barlines will, for the most part, resolve barline location issues, but forced ones - No Way, PLEASE - that alone has steered me very firmly away from several other notation packages (including both Finale and Encore - though their user interfaces totally suck in general IMHO).  It so thoroughly interferes with the notation process (for me) that it can totally bugger up the whole thing!

In anycase there are several work-around processes that would fail completely if this were included.

Yes: 8va, 8va bassa, 15ma and even 15ma bassa would be most welcome - as would many other features, and again, like many other missing features there are effective workarounds.

Notes with up & down stem direction: nice, but not actually necessary - this can easily be achieved with both chording and layering.

Merry Christmas,
Lawrie
3234
General Discussion / Re: Switch from Treble Clef to Bass Clef
G'day Josh,
no worries mate, my pleasure.

I appreciate the search function is sometimes a little wanting...

Try looking for transposition and trombone - these will also help.  There are some very good discussion threads and lots of things to learn.

Lawrie
3235
General Discussion / Re: Switch from Treble Clef to Bass Clef
G'day Josh,
you can move any staff element (notes included) vertically by highlighting them and holding down <Ctrl-Shift> and pressing either <UpArrow> or <DnArrow>...

To move all the notes on a staff, select the staff, press <Home>, hold down <Shift> and press <End>.  This will highlight the entire staff, now press <Ctrl-Shift-UpArrow> 5 times.  This will place the notes on the equivalent place for a bass clef staff.

Now change the clef to bass.  It is very important to note that the playback will be an octave lower than before.

For more information, do a search of the site, it has been raised many times...

Lawrie
3236
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day Milton,
waffle on anytime - <snicker> mate, don't offer twice,  you might regret it <vbg>.

Thanks for the reminder RE sunscreen, today (Christmas eve - 10:30 AM as I write - it is already 38C (100.4 F) and climbing in the shade on my front verandah, and I live on the coast, less than a kilometre from the beach!  I don't think I'll be venturing very far today!

A very merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year to all, and in this festive season, I pray God's richest blessing upon you.  May the true reason for Christmas be uppermost in your minds and the love and joy that follows be upon all of us.

Blessya,
Lawrie
3237
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day Frank,
Lawrie's suggestion of co-operation with NWC was probably not one of his best - fair call, however, as I'm sure John realized, the challenge was a case of "put up or shut up".

I am quite confident that NWC would not release code in order to make it possible.  My intent was to imply to John that NWC, as the producer of a successful software product, should be considered competent to manage the coding priorities as they see fit.  John very neatly called my bluff.

The most obvious thing that has been reinforced in this entire thread is that NWC simply will not be drawn into publicly justifying themselves, and rightly so, as they would only end up spending all their time arguing instead of coding!

Another thing that has become very obvious is that different users have different priorities.  This too is quite reasonable although it would be a little better if those of us arguing the toss were accurate in our assertions.  Sorry John, but in this your emphasis on sequencing has left you a little exposed.  Though I can certainly understand why that would be your priority.

Sequencing related issues in NWC have often frustrated me and I have several times "left deposits" on the wish list.

I have followed quite a number of discussions relating to sequencing "tales of woe", I have followed just as many relating to score appearance.

Based on that, I suggest that the sheer number of items in the wish list must be enormous.  NWC's developers are the only ones who can possibly have any idea who and how many have requested what as the wish list isn't public.  And that itself has been another point of discussion.

We could argue this back and forth for ages but the end result would be: "NWC make the decisions, it's their product and they will do with it as they will".  If they make the right choices, people will continue to purchase it, if the wrong ones then people will stop.  It really is that simple.

In this thread John has made it clear that for him, some decisions have been the wrong ones.  Fair enough, for the rest of us who have taken part in this discussion the choices appear to have been acceptable.

Thus NWC have made the right choices as the majority are satisfied, or at least not alienated.

While it isn't fun being in a minority, I thank John for his perseverance in making his point.  If nothing else, he has further cemented the loyalty of most of us to NWC.  He has also brought to notice some areas that are of concern to him.  In this he is certainly representative of an indeterminate number of people with the same frustrations but who lack the motivation or courage to make their point.  Nevertheless, I expect that indeterminate number to be relatively small as no-one has "leapt to his defence".

Now, before anyone jumps on me... I am well aware that it is not good practice to alienate any of your market, but the reality is "you can't please all of the people all of the time".

/soap box  :)

Hmm, I do waffle on don't I  :)
Lawrie
3238
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John,
no insults taken from yourself. - I'm glad, I would hate to think we couldn't disagree without acrimony.

I noticed in an earlier post a comment from yourself about sequencing and glossed over it.  Now that you have reinforced it some things become a little clearer.

For myself the sequencing aspect is of almost equal importance as score appearance.  I "discovered" NWC when my son introduced me to it after I had bemoaned the fact I hadn't found something I could write out good quality scores on my computer with.  (I often say the only reason I got into computers in the first place was because I can't read my own writing - perhaps I should have been a doctor!)

Nevertheless I also appreciate good sequencing too, though I can live with workarounds and faults in the playback far more easily than poor appearance.

To each their own I guess.

I have never played with "hard core" sequencers but is something like "cakewalk" more appropriate?  My guess is that the score input capability is simply nowhere near as intuitive and straight forward as NWC.

Like another poster (Tony) I have downloaded many trials of other products. While some have had some really neat features that I'd love to see in NWC (glisses, rises, falls, marcato, trills, mordents etc. etc..) that really work, their user interfaces are almost worse than useless by comparison!

IMHO that alone is worth persevering with the other faults.

IIRC there are several users who use NWC for primary input then export to MIDI for Cakewalk (or similar) to complete the sequencing.  Perhaps an approach of this nature could save you some cash and still preserve the ease of input.

Lawrie
3239
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John,
thankyou for taking up my little challenge - it will be interesting to see if NWC feel comfortable with the idea...

As you said, the product is not open source, and I can also imagine that the desire to manage QC may also be a limiting factor.

Which brings rise to another question... You made the comment about "hobby-ware"... I wonder if this is a realistic assessment or not.  I certainly do not know how the NWC developers make a living - at $39 US per licence they'd need to be selling a lot of licences!

Here in Australia we have a disparaging description for traders of dubious quality and ethics - it is "backyard operator".  The reality is that a lot of small business start out in someone's backyard and by definition are therefore "backyard operators".  My own business started this way, yet while I was still in my backyard we achieved ISO9002 (now 9001) Quality Management endorsement.  Some "backyard operator" huh.

To get back to the "hobby-ware" comment.  Perhaps the NWC developers have day jobs, in which case the term is probably quite accurate.  It does not automatically mean poor quality or sub standard code.  And it is a given that one persons priorities are not necessarily anothers.  E.G. The very fact that the vast majority of us are aware of the "octave accidental quirk" and work around it make it less (IMHO) of an issue than say the shape of slurs which, while not perfect, are much better in NWC2.  It was only in one of the more recent revisions of NWC2 that the tied accidental issue was addressed - it is possible that this will find its way into NWC1 as some other fixes have.

As for the issue that started off this whole thing, I do not know why:
a) PDSL were for a while the "proper" way to buy NWC in the UK.  Perhaps it was designed to avoid the seemingly random and exhorbitant duties being charged on CDs being shipped into the country.  If this is the case then it was supposed to save you money!

b) Purchase through PDSL disqualified you from the NWC2 pre-release test program.  Perhaps the quality of PDSL's record keeping made it impossible for NWC to be sure who was getting access to what is supposed to be a controlled access test process.

I can only speculate, but I'm sure there was no malice or greed involved.  Those things do not seem in character with the rest of the way NWC is handled.

BTW I don't know who "Jimmy" is - I certainly do not endorse such personal comments and if you have felt at all insulted by any of my comments I apologise, such was not my intention.

Lawrie
3240
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John,
I've been rereading some posts - yours among them and I have a small challenge for you...

Earlier you said, "...and I worked in software for over 20 years".  My challenge, assuming you are a programmer, is:  Approach NWC and offer to work on a fix for the "features" that are annoying you.  Now I am perfectly aware that NWC may not wish to provide access to enough of their source to allow this to be feasible in which case the offer and evidence that access was denied will be deemed to have met the challenge.  Or are those complaints really just an excuse to attempt to justify sour grapes?

You also spoke about "principles".  Well, I suggest the principles of forgiveness and generosity should reign supreme here.

I often tell my staff "fix the problem, not the blame".  In the spirit of this festive season I offer the same recommendation to you.

Despite how my words may sound I mean no offense and genuinely wish you a blessed, merry and happy Christmas and new year,
Lawrie
3242
General Discussion / Re: up-bow, down-bow?
G'day seskanda,
i was using it as text all along

You stated in an earlier post that using the underscore gave you a tenuto - this indicates you weren't inputting text at the time.

i have to re-load Boxmarks in NWC EVERY time i restart my computer

Actually, fonts are specified in song files, not in NWC the program.  If you want to have Boxmarks load automatically, either create or modify the template you use to create your new files to include Boxmarks as a user font.

that link to signup to the newsgroup is dead

Works for me - do you have a proxy or firewall between you and the internet that is blocking port 443 [https]?

Lawrie
3243
General Discussion / Re: up-bow, down-bow?
G'day seskanda,
the boxmark font is used as text.  You cannot access the characters except by adding the font as a user font in page setup, then placing text entries using the user font you selected.

To place text, position the cursor where you want the text to be located, press <x> and follow the dialogue box...

There is a very good command reference here: http://nwc-scriptorium.org/command.html on the scripto.

It is well worth the read.

Access to the newsgroup is for registered users only and can be arranged automatically here: https://www.noteworthysoftware.com/newsgroup/signup.php

Lawrie
3244
General Discussion / Re: up-bow, down-bow?
G'day seskanda,
the diamond is there - use an underscore.  Better still, if you get a copy of "Typecase", it makes life very easy when selecting characters - far better  that the MS "charmap"

For microtonal music, Ertugrul is the guru - you can probably contact him via the newsgroup - assuming you've signed up.

You might also check the scripto...

Lawrie
3246
General Discussion / Re: printing bug
G'day William,
just curious at the moment... Is this the only file affected or do you have similar problems with other longer works?

If this is the only one then perhaps we can arrange to try it on another system to see if the problem follows the file.

If it does, then I suggest that a submission of that file to NWC support is in order.

OTOH if several works are affected then again, we should arrange to test on another system.  This time if the problem persists then a bug report is probably in order.

In either case, testing on a different system will establish whether it is associated with your system only or not.

Lawrie
3247
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John,
tsk, tsk - what a cheap shot... for interest, my father was Irish, my mother half German and Half English - I myself am all Aussie (1st generation on one side, second generation on the other) so sadly I cannot lay claim to the illustrious heritage you allude to.  Might I add, England transported some of her finest people.  Perhaps you could read some real history some time.

As for principles I understand them very well, especially one about cutting one's nose off to spite one's face...

Now, I've done a bit of reading - nowhere has NWC2 been touted as a "bug fix" version.  Certainly there are issues that have been addressed but as I have seen bug fix versions of v1.75 released since the pre-beta availability of NWC2 I simply don't see the relevance.

For all of that, I still don't understand why you're getting so hot under the collar about some software that hasn't even been released yet.  And again, I do understand about principles, and I respect your opinion in this matter though I think you are just plain wrong in your attitude.

I repeat, the pre-beta release of NWC2 is not a bug fix.  It is definitely a new version with many and significant new features.  Your argument is fundamentally flawed.

Nevertheless, I wish you well with your new toy, I hope it serves you as well and as long as NWC clearly has.

Please accept my wishes for a very merry Christmas and a very happy and prosperous new year for yourself and your family.

Lawrie
3248
General Discussion / Re: NoteWorthy under new management?
G'day John.
no disrespect or insult intended, but that is about the biggest case of sour grapes I've ever seen.

Just to remind you, NWC2 is not even in beta at this stage.  It is in a pre-beta state that is heavily dependent on user input for, at this point, knocking of the big lumpy bits.  It hasn't even gotten close to the polishing stage!

You mention commercial products that are out there - yeah, sure, at 10+ times the price.

I'm only a relative newcomer (since 2002) but in the histories I've read to date, NWC has never been free, it has always been marketed as shareware.  If I am wrong here, please feel free to correct me.  However, assuming I am right, then even in the shareware world you don't get major revision updates for free!

As for the Profit-Is-All marketplace, it's only 39 bucks (US) - 15 for the upgrade you're whingeing about - pay the money.  for Pete's sake!

If NWC were really about profit is all, there'd be no upgrade path, you'd be renting the damn thing like the way Microsoft are heading towards doing - you don't get any cut price upgrades out of them anymore!

Now please remember, I can't talk for NWC, I ain't one of 'em, I'm just a customer like you, but I have to pay much more than you 'cos in the UK you have a much better exchange rate than we do here in Oz, and I'd happily pay twice as much!

/soap box

Lawrie
3250
General Discussion / Re: What to do about recent illiterate forum posts
Of course, we could ask Eric to track IP addresses... I have tools that will allow us to track 'em down...  And contacts with service providers (insert evil laugh here)... RADIUS logs are not that hard to read (insert another evil laugh here)...

No one is ever truly anonymous!