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Messages - Francis Beaumier

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General Discussion / Re: Support???
It appears that the NoteWorthy Composer Facebook page is still active, so I wouldn't be too worried about the program disappearing just yet. I would hope that Eric would open source NoteWorthy Composer when if he ever lost interest in it. There seem to be a few of us that can program, and we could help the program limp along as new Windows versions require changes.
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General Discussion / Re: An idea
@hmmueller - I wasn't so much thinking of wiki software for its collaborative nature but more for the way it structures the articles. You get a lot of nice stuff on WikiMedia, such as table of contents generation, easy links to other articles, and a robust search engine. No one is saying you need to actually have more than one user, and you certainly don't need to make the front page as complicated as Wikipedia.

But if you have a vision for how to make it work on some other platform, please don't let me stand in your way. I bow down to anyone actually willing to write documentation, as it's the thing I like least about the IT world!
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General Discussion / Re: File and Project Organization
One trick that may be useful to you is Google Drive. If you upload a new file with the same name as an existing file, Google Drive's default behavior is to assume that it's a new version. You can go back to the other versions at any time, but you see only the latest cluttering up your folder.
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General Discussion / Re: Problem with online object sync.
Just a guess, but I think XP probably stopped getting the list of updated certificate authorities awhile ago. If NWS recently updated their certificates for the sever in question, perhaps XP doesn't trust it? I'm several hundred miles from my install of NWC at the moment, so I'm afraid I can't test.
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General Discussion / Re: Dashed Slur.ms on Mac OS
Gentlemen, thank you for your feedback.  I'm glad to know that it's not just isolated to a single setup.  I have access to a virtual Windows lab at my college, so I can always render the final NWC file there if I have to.  If I feel so motivated, I might try to write an algorithm that generates the dashed line by using many small solid ones, but I think that requires using some parts of Math that I didn't particularly enjoy :-).

I'll also see if I can convince the Mac to leave the output at the PS stage and see if the slur renders properly in GSView.  I guess I could also export to EMF as well.

Have a great weekend!
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General Discussion / Dashed Slur.ms on Mac OS
I needed a couple of dashed slurs, so I used Slur.ms.  Everything looks great in the editor and in Print Preview, but when I print to PDF, I get solid lines.  I'm running NWC on my Mac -- I'm wondering if this is a Wine thing.  Can anyone on Mac or Linux confirm?
63
User Tools / Re: Colouring Tools
> Changing notes that are on the black keys is a little more challenging and will require a tool that can take into account the clef, the key signature and any accidentals that may apply.

Presumably there aren't that many unique notes that need to be red.  Rather than spend the time to write a tool to take all of that into account, couldn't you just run Global_Mod for, for example, all of the F's and then clean up the outliers manually?  I'm afraid I can't play with this at the moment, but that would be my approach.
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General Discussion / Re: Why does my Noteworthy keep crashing?
Other thoughts:

  • Perhaps there's an issue with the fonts that NWC uses (either the main one or Lawrie's).  Maybe you can try uninstalling and reinstalling them?
  • Could it be an issue with the default printer?  Try making PDF Creator or some such the default printer and see how NWC likes that.
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General Discussion / Re: Why does my Noteworthy keep crashing?
firstly, while melismata is correct about running multiple AntiMalware, IIRC Malwarebytes is a non-resident scan on demand tool only so shouldn't be part of the problem.

If you're running the paid version or a free trial of the paid version, then it is indeed a resident scanner.  I ran into this on a friend's machine that was "running slow."  She'd accidentally agreed to a free trial and was also running Microsoft Security Essentials.
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General Discussion / Re: Fetching preview...
Are you using any Add-ons with Firefox, such as Adblock Plus that would alter the scripts on the page?  You might be able to see what's going on by opening the developer tools (F12) and looking at the network tab.
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General Discussion / Re: The downside of selectors
Would it help if you could tear them off as their own palettes a la what The Gimp does?

I personally don't ever use the toolbars, so my reaction to selectors was "Huh? ... well, whatever", but I understand that not everyone wants to adopt all of the keyboard shortcuts.
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General Discussion / Re: Placement of symbols
I wouldn't worry about it, Susanna.  NoteWorthy Composer will be fine with just the correct suffix. And if you ever want to edit them, you'll be able to by just a double click.
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General Discussion / Re: Running NW on a Mac that dual boots Windows
I'm happy to assist anyone using WineBottler -- I'm not affiliated with Noteworthy Software or the WineBottler folks; I just think it's a fine solution to running NWC on the Mac because it creates a double-clickable Mac app that you can treat like a normal application and it doesn't use the resources that a full install of Windows would.
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General Discussion / Re: Do I need piano or Noteworthy?
Technology can do a lot of cool things these days.  Not only are there machines as you describe, but other equipment allows you to just tap to the beat to get a whole orchestra.  To me, I still prefer the experience of live musicians (even with a few mistakes!), especially in a church setting.  I mean, the pastor could prerecord a sermon as well, but instead it's (most of the time) given live.

Certainly, if the choice is between no music and a backing track from NWC, I'd pick the backing track.  But I just don't think it's a reason not to hire a musician.  Of course, I just came back from cantoring the Sunday Mass, so you can tell my bias.
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General Discussion / Re: I've had it!
FWIW, our community band just played some music transcribed with, as you say, "brand S."  There were approximately 20 odd-looking characters scattered about one of the pieces, so clearly the font problem is not limited to NoteWorthy Composer.

I think NWC is slowly evolving to include more and more symbols in its own font, and that should help with pieces that you arrange or write for your groups.  The files in the scriptorium aren't really supposed to be distributed like that anyway.  (At least not without permission.)
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General Discussion / Re: Intermittent layering of Vocal Scores
I would second the request for the boundary object to also support "unlayering."  It would be different if you could have staves come in and out in playback, but as it is, if I want the tenors separated for two bars, I have to add a whole 'nother line (which on screen is measure upon measure of rest) just to get to the part of the music where the tenors have their own line to follow.
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General Discussion / Re: chords with notes of different time values
Greetings, Catsby.  Welcome to the forum!

You are correct that layering would have been the best choice for creating the SATB file that you have.  However, you do have several options:

1. Explore workarounds for the parts that need fixing.  For example, the construct that you complain about can be fixed like this:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]

!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.5,Single)
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:-2
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:4th|Pos2:0
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:0
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
What I've done here is helped NWC out by chording the soprano part with an eighth rest instead of the eighth note.  The rest is then hidden and the eighth note placed after that.  The deal here is that NWC essentially sees chords as just a note of the smallest duration within the chord.  Once you know that, you can usually use some combination of RestChords with hidden rests to achieve the correct notation.

2. Use layering to just fix the parts that you want.  Provided that you don't want to assign different instruments or pan to the different voices that are on the same staves, nothing is stopping you from copying the entire staff onto a new one, turning on layering, and then just fixing the areas that need fixing.  For good measure, you can mute the duplicate notes.

3. Use the Parts user tool (part of the starter kit, available here: http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/nwc2/usertools/ ) to try and create separate Soprano and Alto parts so that the music can be layered as intended.

I hope that makes sense.  Once again, welcome!
80
General Discussion / Re: Glissando
Nice, Rick!  I never thought of muted, stemless (errr ... stem 1), headless grace notes.  Obviously, the lines are too thick this way, but it looks presentable enough for my needs!  On to page three of the manuscript!
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General Discussion / Re: Glissando
I'm also having trouble with glissandi right now.  If anyone has any method of making a decent-looking slide (I don't care how it sounds!) in the file below among all voices, please spill the beans.  A single "g" from Boxmarks looks pretty laughable to me, but I don't know what else to do.

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposer(2.5)
|Locale|ACP:1252
|Editor|ActiveStaff:1|CaretIndex:25|CaretPos:-3
|SongInfo|Title:""|Author:"<Name>"|Lyricist:""|Copyright1:"Copyright © 2012 <Name>"|Copyright2:"All Rights Reserved"
|PgSetup|StaffSize:19|Zoom:4|TitlePage:Y|JustifyVertically:Y|PrintSystemSepMark:N|ExtendLastSystem:N|DurationPadding:Y|PageNumbers:0|StaffLabels:None|BarNumbers:None|StartingBar:1
|Font|Style:StaffItalic|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:Y|Italic:Y|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffBold|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:10|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:StaffLyric|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:11|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageTitleText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:24|Bold:Y|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:12|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:PageSmallText|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User1|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User2|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User3|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User4|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User5|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|Font|Style:User6|Typeface:"Times New Roman"|Size:8|Bold:N|Italic:N|CharSet:0
|PgMargins|Left:1.27|Top:1.27|Right:1.27|Bottom:1.27|Mirror:N
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:12|BoundaryBottom:15|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket,Layer|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:1
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Lyrics|Placement:Bottom|Align:Standard Rules|Offset:0|UnderscoreAsSpace:N
|Lyric1|Text:"said to the lev-ee, and\r\nJoin that shuf-fle-in\' throng\r\n"
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:#-2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:n0|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:b0|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward
|Text|Text:"slide here!"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:6|Justify:Right
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Lyric=Never
|Bar|SysBreak:Y
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff-1"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:2
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:#-2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1^|Opts:Stem=Down,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:n0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:b0|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3^|Opts:Stem=Down,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Down,Lyric=Never
|Bar
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff-2"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket,Layer|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:3
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4^|Opts:Stem=Up,Tie=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Up,Slur=Upward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Lyric=Never
|Bar
|AddStaff|Name:"Staff-3"|Group:"Standard"
|StaffProperties|EndingBar:Section Close|Visible:Y|BoundaryTop:10|BoundaryBottom:10|Lines:5|WithNextStaff:Bracket|Color:Default
|StaffProperties|Muted:N|Volume:127|StereoPan:64|Device:0|Channel:4
|StaffInstrument|Trans:0|DynVel:10,30,45,60,75,92,108,127
|Clef|Type:Bass
|Key|Signature:Bb|Tonic:F
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Down,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2^|Opts:Stem=Down,Tie=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Downward
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Lyric=Never
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposer-End
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General Discussion / Re: Scriptorium redirects?
Well I've seen this at random occasions with Chrome, but I figured no one else was seeing it.  I can only imagine that the code for the WebRing widget occasionally breaks in such a way that it redirects the whole page rather than just the frame.  Going back to the front page always fixed it for me.  It looks like Rich has taken the widget out for know; I think that should fix the problem.
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General Discussion / Re: NWC 2.5.2 - Behaves badly on playback - HELP!
On possible solution to this dilemma, as seen in a certain program whose name suggests the end of the show, is to offer multiple play back style modes.  In this case, a style called "Legacy" could be used to bring back the sound that Aure is looking for.

Since I generally only use playback to verify correct pitches, I don't really have a strong opinion on playback issues in general, which is probably why I didn't even notice this particular change in the beta testing.
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General Discussion / Re: Installing on a Netbook
And failing all that, you could email the installer.exe file to yourself.  If you use Gmail, you'll have to renamed the extension first to something bogus like .cow and then rename it back.
88
General Discussion / Re: Rogues Gallery - the answers
Well, I only noticed the disappearance of the Rogues Gallery because I was going to submit an updated picture along with my pending Scriptorium submission.  I suppose if folks want their picture to be visible, they can always make it their avatar or make it easy to find them on Facebook.

But building on Haymo's idea, it would be nice to see it converted into a tribute to the NWCers that have passed away.  If that is done, I would suggest it be linked to from the main page.  I don't think the gallery was linked to from anywhere other than a few forum posts.
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General Discussion / Re: Time for a smile...
Lawrie,

I gotta be honest with you; you always make me smile.  :-).  Thanks for another music joke for my humor bag.  Nothing breaks the ice among musicians like the old favorites plus a few new ones.

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General Discussion / Re: Changing the speed...
Flurmy, that's precisely what I was thinking.  I've been toying with the idea of writing something like that up myself .. but I don't know if I can spare the time this week.  Stephen, if you can wait until this weekend, maybe I can whip something up for you on my bus ride to Canada.
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Announcements / Re: NoteWorthy Composer 2.1 Now Available
Hi jnothman,

I ended up installing the Windows version of Firefox in my WineBottler package and changing a registry key for the default browser to get that command to work.  I don't have time to give you the full details at the moment, but I will hopefully have some time this evening.
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General Discussion / Re: Far away in the distance
Quote
This doesn't bother me too much as I use at least 2 staves. I just wish that NWC would get rid of the silly systemic barline when there is only one apparent staff.

Oooo me too! Me Too! :-)
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General Discussion / Re: NWC in Linux problems
Upon further investigation, Shift+Left Arrow is acting like itself and also sending a + to NWC.  Shift+Right Arrow without any notes in the way, adds a bar line, which makes me think it's probably sending a *.  If this really starts to bother me, I guess I can always use Rick G's method of removing keyboard shortcuts with a res editor (I didn't study computer science for nothing :-)).  If anyone has any input on why this could possibly happening or knows anything about Mac key mappings or X11 key mappings, I'd still like to hear it. 

Still left to test: Does this happen with an external keyboard?  Does anything similar happen under Wine in Linux?  Are there any options in Wine that might change this behavior?
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General Discussion / Re: NWC in Linux problems
Hello again.  Do you guys also see this little oddity? .. If I select a note by holding down shift and pressing the left arrow, the note length doubles (ie, quarter note becomes half note, etc.).  Going the other way produces no adverse effects.  Is that just a quirk of the Mac laptop keyboard layout?  Any way around it?
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General Discussion / Re: NWC in Linux problems
Just installed NoteWorthy Composer with WineBottler for Mac OS X.  So far so good!  I was using Wine 1.1.35 but just upgraded to 1.1.44.  I've got a very generic dummy PostScript printer installed right now.  And I can't get NWC to crash with any of the files above! 

Hmmmm That probably doesn't help anything.....
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General Discussion / Re: NWC2 beta 2.13 crash
I'm in one of our college computer labs and I am able to reproduce the problem in notepad.  FWIW, the system I am currently on:
- HP Compaq dc5100
- 3GHz intel Pentium 4 HT
- 1GB of ram
- brand new this summer
- IE 6
- no themes (the service is turned off, --> we get the classic windows look)

HTH