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Messages - Peter Edwards

54
Object Plugins / Re: TremoloSingle.ms (2.0d)
A couple of observations:
  • If you insert a dynamic between the object and the note then it is ignored. Easy not to do it but it can happen accidently.
  • Playback ignores crescendos.
56
Object Plugins / Re: Acciaccatura.ms (version 1.2)
It didn't work for me until I realised that you needed to mute the grace note. Perhaps this could be mentioned more explicitly in the dialogue box.

And just a thought: if you muted the main note too then could you steal time from it so that we could have a variable appoggiatura on the beat specified by perhaps a minus number.
58
Object Plugins / Re: Acciaccatura.ms (version 1.1)
FWIW you can only have one acciaccatura which is played as short as possible immediately before (sometimes with) the principal note. The term is Italian for crushed. Multiple notes would almost certainly be appoggiaturas which have a definite length. They can be lengthened with hidden tied notes, but not shortened. We do need a method of playing them too before the beat.

62
General Discussion / Re: Enharmonic Spelling - Note Entry
Perhaps we should have selectable methods. My preference is for major key notes 1, 4 and 5 to be sharpened (or naturalised if flat to start with) and 3, 6 and 7 to be flattened, thus taking the shortest route round the cycle of fifths. This actually deals with the notes of the equivalent minor key too (just pretend it's the major key). The ambiguous case is of note 2. This could be sharpened as it is the leading note of the dominant key of the minor scale (e.g. D# in A minor).

Piano keyboard entry would select the notes appropriately. This would solve the irritation of C# in D minor always being entered as Db – in the equivalent major it's note 5 in F, so the sharpened alternative would be taken. And also the case of B# in C# minor being entered as C natural. And Fx entered as G natural in C# major as the tune modulates into G# major (as it tends too!)
63
General Discussion / Re: Switching Percussion Sound Banks
Also note that if you insert an instrument change then you can select different drum kits.

A useful one is 48 which replaces some percussion sounds with Timpani notes sounding as written (within the timp range).
65
General Discussion / Beam Direction
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:VertOffset=-2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Rest|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Up,VertOffset=-2
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

The semiquaver beam in the first bar is obviously wrong. Split the beam (2nd bar) or replace Note/Rest with Dotted Note (3rd bar) shows the correct logic, so why the difference?

And is there a workround?
66
Object Plugins / Re: Melismatic.nw
I think that the melisma line should extend to the end of the bar at a system break, although I can't find anything definitive except some printed examples. It's easily achieved with the hidden grace note trick (above) but you need to know where it happens. Better if it were automatic.
67
Object Plugins / Re: Melismatic.nw
Quote from: NoteWorthy Online –
The plugin has been updated. It now supports minimum lengths down to 0.

Not in beta 9 on my machine. It won't let you set it to 0.

BTW. To get the melisma to work you need a slur or tie on the first note. It will then extend over all notes with lyric turned off (by default or force), even if not slurred or tied, until it comes to a rest or note with lyric turned on. This is useful for oo's and ah's, but they don't necessarily have a slurs or tie on the first note. You can get round this by tying an invisible grace note to the first note and setting its lyric to always.
68
General Discussion / Lyric Placement on Layered Staves
You can move the lyrics up or down on a stave with a boundary offset which is good.

But if you layer that stave with another and put the boundary offset on the second stave it still moves the lyrics on the first stave. This is not good.

The song I'm working on (SATB on four staves layered into two) has most of the lyrics in the middle, but at one point there are alternate lyrics in the bass (below the stave) and on the next system alternate lyrics for the sopranos (above the stave) and they clash. So I thought I could change the boundary of the alto or tenor to separate them, but it just doesn't work!
69
General Discussion / Re: Missing Slur at System Break
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:C|Tonic:C
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen|SysBreak:Y
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:1|ClosedBracket:Y
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
|Ending|Endings:2|ClosedBracket:Y
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-6
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Has the fix for this introduced a new error? The slur in the first time bar shouldn't cross the Master Repeat Close since it refers to the first note in the repeated section. However the slur from just before the First Time Bar is handled correctly applying as it should to two separate notes.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
70
General Discussion / Re: Missing Slur at System Break
Yes, it works for the "Close" bar lines, but not for the "Open" ones.
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:C|Tonic:C
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-6
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th,Slur|Pos:1
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatOpen|SysBreak:Y
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-6
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
71
General Discussion / Missing Slur at System Break
If a note is slurred over an "Open" bar line (i.e. Master/Local Repeat or Section) then it appears as expected unless the bar line is on a system break when the slur on the top system disappears. The lower one is still present however.
72
General Discussion / Re: Slanting Beams
Fair enough – I should have experimented a bit more before posting!

But I'd appreciate comments on the two points in my first post.
  • Why doesn't the beam slope?
  • Please can we have the proper spacing between beams, especially with three or more?
73
General Discussion / Re: Slanting Beams
Thunderous silence :(

On the same subject, why are these pairs treated differently – they should both slope as with the second pair.
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:C|Tonic:C
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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General Discussion / Slanting Beams
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:C|Tonic:C
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

The quaver/semiquaver group slants correctly, but the second group stays resolutely horizontal unless you adjust the first stem length. This gives two problems: one, you have to do it, and two, the stem lengths outside the staff are very often not the "7" that appears in the note properties so you have to guess what it should be.

Aesthetically too the demisemiquaver beams are too far apart which makes a score with lots of them look very heavy (this is true for the semiquaver stems too but they don't look too bad). The standard width of a beam should be half a staff space and the gap should be a quarter. Elaine Gould in Behind Bars (p17ff)gives a detailed explanation of the whole subject. Could we have an option (and preferably the default) to specify closer beams?
76
General Discussion / Re: Grace Note Slurs
FWIW I think the slur looks cleanest if it stops just short.

Still to do with slurs, I revisited an old choral file (two parts per staff) with lots of slurs on the stems. When this was created NW put the slur at the ends of the stems, but a subsequent enhancement of the program now puts them half way down the stem which is in general a great improvement, especially when just two notes are slurred.

But if there are intervening notes then they can push the slur absurdly high (on up stems). Would it be possible to adjust the slur ends towards the stem ends in this case? Easily fixed with markers but a slight pain.
77
General Discussion / Grace Note Slurs
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:C|Tonic:C
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:4
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:3
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

On downward stemmed notes the slurs go to the middle of the stem instead of the notehead (the upward stemmed ones are treated correctly). Curiously, slurs on  beamed downward stems (except the first) also go to the notehead.

BTW (and this can be adjusted with spacers) I do think there's too much space between a grace note and its main note.
78
Object Plugins / Re: Trill.ms (1.1)
Couple of observations:

If there is a fermata delay then it does not trill through the added delay. If the fermata is on the trill staff then it doesn't start until the delay (added on the front of the note) has elapsed. If the fermata is on another staff on a later note then it stops trilling for the length of the delay and then starts again!

If the trill is on a note tied to a subsequent note then the sound stops altogether at the end of the first note.

Not a big deal but it would be nice to have it perfected. I had thought that a work around would be to have a hidden tied note to mimic the fermata but the second problem kills that idea. :(
79
General Discussion / Re: Ritard at the end of final verse
You'll need to use special endings if you want the rall only on the third verse. Something like

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Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:F#|Tonic:G
|Tempo|Tempo:120|Pos:8.5|Visibility:Never
|TimeSig|Signature:Common
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:1,2|HideText:Y
|Ending|Endings:3|HideText:Y
|TempoVariance|Style:Ritenuto|Pos:9|Wide:Y|Visibility:Never
|Ending|Endings:1,2,3|HideText:Y
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-2
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Ending|Endings:1,2|HideText:Y
|Ending|Endings:3|HideText:Y
|Tempo|Tempo:72|Pos:9|Wide:Y|Visibility:Never
|Ending|Endings:1,2,3|HideText:Y
|Note|Dur:Whole|Pos:-2
|Ending|Endings:1,2|HideText:Y
|Bar|Style:MasterRepeatClose
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
80
General Discussion / Re: best lay-out
I like to set the Staff Metric at 18 and the Lyrics at 12 in Times New Roman. A young choir could probably get away with something smaller  ;)
82
Object Plugins / Re: Arpeggio.ms (1.3)
As an aside NW seems to put most things (clefs, keys, boundaries, markers and spacers) before the bar line, but text after it. It won't rearrange existing correct bar lines though.
83
User Tools / Re: User Tool: Mark as 8va.lua (0.3)
Staff transposition still has to be set correctly in the ottavamatic object itself. Would it be possible to use the same transposition trick as in this user tool to remove a step from the insertion process?
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Object Plugins / Re: Slur.ms (version 1.0)
I think the end result of the clip should be as below.
Two points:
Notes on a single stem should only have one slur, but in this instance the slur ending needs to be extended by one unit – in other words: where you would expect it to be with or without the extra notes. (But this is not the case for an upward stem :( )
In the second pair, obviously the slur shouldn't cross the stem.

FWIW I'd make the changes  ;)

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.75,Single)
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:-1|EndOffsetX:1
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-1,0|Opts:Stem=Down
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:1,2|Opts:Stem=Down
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:1|Dir:Downward|StartOffsetX:1
|User|Slur.ms|Pos:-1
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up|Dur2:4th|Pos2:2
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th|Pos2:1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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General Discussion / Re: Triplet Brackets
William, I don't understand your comment at all. There is absolutely no danger of it looking like a quaver, and it is much more misleading to have a three quaver triplet in one part seemingly of a different length to a triplet quaver crotchet in the other.

It seemed wrong when I was transcribing it, so I looked it up in Alfred where the correct treatment is very clearly shown.
88
General Discussion / Triplet Brackets
An oddity that doesn't seem to have come up before.

If you turn a quaver crotchet combination into a triplet then the bracket only extends as far as the crotchet, whereas Alfred shows clearly that it should extend to the end of the triplet range – i.e. as if there were three quavers.
89
General Discussion / Re: more space between staffs
Type ] where you want to alter the upper and/or lower boundary of the staff and select your values.

This, visually,  will do nothing in the editor, but in print preview will demonstrate what you want.

You can then set it to a different value or back to the original later on the staff.
90
General Discussion / Re: Notehead Colorrs
Yes. Enter the first note as usual – this will determine the stem colour, and then add successive notes using Control/Enter each time having set the notehead colour from the "Item Color" menu.
92
General Discussion / Re: Placement of symbols
You need to edit (or create) an itree in the itrees directory inside the Noteworthy Software directory.
This is one I did for orchestral strings – note the Double Bass transposition.
You can change the itree in the insert instrument menu.
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General Discussion / Re: My playback has gone all dissonant!
Horns and trumpets used to use various crooks to lengthen their bore so that they could play in different keys. The composer specified the crook and always wrote, accordingly, in C major.

Now that both instruments have pistons to lengthen the bore they are not limited to a particular crook at a time, so music can be written chromatically in any key.

Modern practice is (usually) to write for Horns in F and Trumpets in Bb with the appropriate key signature, although there are still diehards around!
95
General Discussion / Re: Staff justification
Quote from: Haymo –
For this to work, you may have to start reducing the spacing between notes, a page (or more) before the end.
It also needs to be done on all the voices / staves which show on the printed page.

True if the note values are identical on all the staves, but a useful reduction can be made by shrinking, say, a semiquaver run on one staff where the other only has minim chords.
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General Discussion / Re: Grace notes and ties
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.51,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Tempo|Tempo:40|Pos:9
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"1"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"2"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"3"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:50
|Text|Text:"4"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Text|Text:"5"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1
|Rest|Dur:16th
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0^|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Visibility:Never
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End|Visibility:Never
|Text|Text:"6"|Font:User2|Pos:-9|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Spacer|Width:50
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

1 and 2 sound as expected.
3 and 4, there's no stealing of time, both pitches sound together.
5 and 6, why does visibility matter?
97
General Discussion / Re: MIDI to MP3 conversion
Not quite. The notes down from G below middle C have a flutter after brief interval. The flutter is proportional to the frequency of the note.

And the card has developed another fault today. The attack of the notes intermittently consists of  channel 10 like noises, before continuing with the proper sound.

Do you think I have a corrupted file?
99
General Discussion / Re: MIDI to MP3 conversion
Barry

Thanks for your advice. The Bank Manager software wasn't installed, but it was easy enough to download it. And once I realised that I had installed the font in SynthA but was trying to test it with SynthB then everything was fine, with a much better sound than before.