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General Discussion / Re: Entering Chord Names
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
NB is shorthand for "Nota Bene" - it means to take special note of something.
At a choir rehearsal a few years ago, "NB" was on the music but I didn't recognize there was nothing else significant anywhere near it.  When he asked what NB meant I gave the above explanation (Nota Bene).  At the end he just added, "Here it also means, No Breath."  Oops!
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General Discussion / Re: Piano introduction to choral work
Welcome to the NoteWorthy Community!

To answer your question: no.  We have long wished for the ability to hide unused staves in situations like you described.  The only workaround I can think of is to create separate NWC files where unused staves would either be hidden or simply wouldn't exist.

Along the same lines would be the ability to layer or unlayer staves for something less than the whole piece, e.g., four staves would be needed for a SATB fugue but only two for a chorale.
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General Discussion / Re: 1812 Overture
Patrick:  Welcome to the NWC community!

To add to your description, there is a long section where every repetition starts on a little lower pitch than the one before; ending with the low brass just before the random bells and celebration begins.  I was told that depicted the French retreat.
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General Discussion / How to notate 'fp'
Has anyone had any experience notating fp?  It was mentioned in an earlier thread on Smorzando, but just as wish list item, not a how-too or workaround.

TIA


BTW, I see the latest postings in this group are not reflected as a new post(s) icon when I first logon.  Anyone else have this problem now?
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General Discussion / Re: How do you do n-tuplets where n isn't 3?
Lawrie: Thanks for the link <g>.

Ultimate:  First of all, welcome to the NWC community.

The short answer is no.  This is a workaround to create n-tuplets which sound and look as close to the real thing as possible.  The tuplets are preceeded by a hidden tempo change so that seven 16ths play in the time it takes four 16ths to normally play.  All staves are lengthened by three 16ths and notes are lengthened on other staves so they will fill those 7 instead of their usual 4 and another hidden tempo change after the tuplets gets you back to where you were as in the Thais attachment in the pentuplet tip (or look at the finished product on scriptorium).

I wish the hidden-played displayed-muted staves weren't necessary, but for right now I don't know of a better way.
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General Discussion / Re: Cyber Hymnal - New URL
I noticed the site started with the line Congratulations, you've found the #1 Hymn Site on the Internet! but it says nothing about the fact they had nothing to do with making it that way.  Whatever helps to fatten the calf faster ...
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General Discussion / Re: How do I make long bar rests?
I assume you have looked at the user tip in the other thread Rick pointed out.  For another example you might want to look here for a transcription on the Scriptorium specifically made to print to print out parts.

Even hidden objects take up some space.  For short MBR's you will have "Preserve Width" checked on your text but for really long rests you might want to experiment with that.
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General Discussion / Re: quadruplet
The problem is not so much the quadruplets as it is with workarounds necessary in other staves.  It is straightforward to temporarily increase the tempo by a factor of 4/3 and insert a text 4 in the middle, but the duration of ordinary notes in other staves need to be lengthened by 1/3.  If the other notes are already dotted, just tie each note to a copy of itself w/o the dot and half the duration (e.g. dotted half to quarter).  If the rhythm is more complex, perhaps filling up 6 beats and then tripletizing the whole measure would work.  If, as Rick said, some rhythms are impossible to align so figure out the right number of 64ths & 32nds to add to each note to get as close as you can.

The most recent user tip is here, but the first entry has links to related tips.
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General Discussion / Lining up text (not lyrics) so midi/karioke program can display them.
In La Traviata, a letter is read to the music in the final act.  In Ken Burn's Civil War series, a love letter from Sullivan Balleau to his wife is read while the Ashoken Farewell is in the background (snippet attached).

Is there a way this can be included in a midi file so something like the van Basco program can display the text in time to the music?  TIA
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General Discussion / Re: Other Types of Clefs
NWC can only support the  G, C, and F clef in their traditional places although any of them can be shifted up or down an octave.  First get music to sound like it is supposed to with traditional built in clefs and key signatures.  Copy everything to a new staff which you will mute.  Take out the clef and key signature (if necess.).  Set up a user font of NWCV15 or in version 2 NWC2STDA.  In the user font, the clefs are a,b, & c while the accidentals are d,e, and f.  Place them where needed at the beginning of each staff system.

HTH
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General Discussion / Re: Multiple measure rest
I am surprised that "multi measure rest" in the search box didn't yield any further results than this thread.  At any rate this tip covers multi-measure rests and well as other topics necessary to produce a set of orchestral parts.  HTH
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Tips & Tricks / Re: Grace notes at 100% accuracy
It never hurts to have a variety of arrows in your quiver.  The user has to decide on the importance of appearance, quality of playback, and time (and/or interest) available to work on it.  What you would do for a small ensemble may not be what you would do for a full orchestra.
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Tips & Tricks / Re: Grace notes at 100% accuracy
An alternative is a pair of staves: Played & hidden along with the Muted & displayed.  This gives maximum control as to when the notes are actually sounded.  In the attachment the note on the 2nd beat stays on the 2nd beat while the grace notes take time from the end of the 1st beat.
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General Discussion / Re: Repeats with D.C. and D.S.
Quote from: david_c –
Are any intervening repeats that may be encountered after going back to The Sign (Dal Segno) or to the beginning (D.C.) normally ignored?
Yes.

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Many conductors favor taking only second endings and ignoring any and all repeats after going back to the Sign or to the beginning of a piece. However, NWC does not behave this way.
Anyone care to comment? I can find no help searching the internet.
It seems to me NWC does indeed behave this way.  In your samples folder, take a look at the files REPEAT2-4.  In all of those, going back to the capa or the sign cancels any repeat.  Our conductor does the same thing when we play minuets.
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General Discussion / Re: Vertical line in between to staves
I think you are asking for something that has been on the wish list for a long time:  the ability to hide a staff (staves) when it is not going to be used for a while such as a solo appearing late in a piece or every other part when a cadenza is being played.  Right now there is no easy workaround for it.  Sorry.
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General Discussion / Re: Script Programming Reference
I never could grasp PHP but have several scripts using the The Semware Editor.  It reads and writes to the system clipboard instead of sysin and sysout so it is necessary to cut to the clipboard, invoke TSE (probably with a shortcut key), and paste back to the score.
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General Discussion / Re: Adding Lyrics to Imported MIDI File?
I'm not quite sure what's missing here.  The first step might be to be on the staff where you want the lyrics, do Cntl/L, change "line count" to the number of verses, then select the numbered tab to enter the lyrics.  If you have done all that and the lyrics still don't appear, select a note where they should appear, do Cntl/E and see if the attribute of Lyric Syllable is Never (should be Default).

Hopefully one of those ideas will get you on your way.

Welcome to the NWC Community!
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General Discussion / Re: Transpose notes when changing treble to bass clef
If you want both on the bass clef (or have the bass part by itself), replace the treble clef with a bass clef.  Then press the Home key followed by Shift/End to select the entire staff.  Hold down Ctrl AND Shift and press the up arrow 12 times.

If you have the tenor on its own staff already, do a Cntl/E on its treble clef and select Octave shift down.  Select the staff as above but only press the up arrow 7 times.

Your file may still need some work (e.g., converting midi triplets), but that should handle a lot of the heavy lifting.

BTW, Welcome to the NWC community!
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General Discussion / Re: Virtuoso
Practice, practice, practice? <g>

Actually, I think it is related to the number of user tips, user tools, and posts on the NWC website forums.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible additions
Quote from: Kristopher –
Warren, I actually knew that trick already but do you think it takes sometime to do all of that?

Let me repeat:

I wish ...... (snip for brevity)
I wish for a lot of things myself.  For most things the existing features in NWC suit my needs just fine.  If I need to do something unusual (and do it a lot) I will try a user tool, look in "Tricks & Tips", ask here, or develop something on my own and I'll get 'er done.  If I were using music notation software for several hours a day and the workarounds, double staves, and layers got to be a major slowdown for me, I guess I would shell out quite a few extra hundred dollars to get a notation system with all that built in.
For all its limitations, I have seen and heard some beautiful and innovative works in the ten years I've been using this program (Fred Nachbaur is the first name that comes to mind) and thus far am quite satisfied with it.

Feel free to post to the wishlist, but also look here.  Wishes can come true.
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General Discussion / Re: Making the Score and the notes bigger
In NWC1 under "Page Setup" (the "open book" icon also under the file menu), click on options and modify staff size.  In NWC2 under "Page Setup", click on "Fonts" and change "Staff Metrics".

HTH.  Welcome aboard.
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General Discussion / Re: Short length hidden staves.
I copy a whole rest and a bar line to the clipboard and start pasting to the staff until I reach the trouble spot.  If it is on a layered staff, I would make the whole rest hidden before taking it to the clipboard, leaving the bar lines visible.

You probably knew this already, but unless there is a user tool I don't know about I have to agree with Lawrie that this step is unavoidable.  Sorry.
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General Discussion / Re: Possible additions
As David said, the Scriptorium is an excellent reference for someone learning NoteWorthy.  Also, check out the "Tips & Tricks" section as well as "User Tools" and learn from others.

While it would be nice if hidden/played -- muted/displayed pairs of staves weren't necessary, they aren't that much trouble to set up: get the staff to sound like it is supposed to, add a new staff (hit the "+" sign) do Home-Sh/End on the old staff to get it on the clipboard, and Cntl/V to paste it on the new staff.  Then you can replace the dahdahdahdahdahdah with tr~~~~~~, do turns, n-tuplets, gliss, tremelos, and arpeggios, etc.

BTW, long rests don't need a hidden staff, just select and hide (Cntl/E, Visibilty, Show on Printed Page, Never) the rests and bar lines between them.  The long rest is then inserted as text in a user font.

Hope this gets you started.  Enjoy!
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General Discussion / Vocal in 3/4, accompaniment in 9/8 (Moved from tips forum)
Quote from: cbailward –
I'm a novice at this but I am trying to work out a way of producing a score that looks and sounds right using different time signatures.  Specifically I have a vocal line written in 3/4 with an accompaniment in 9/8.  Please advise, in very simple language, how I can get it to look and sound right,

Chris
Welcome to the NoteWorthy community!

The short answer is you can't have two different time signatures like 3/4 and 9/8 in different staves--the whole thing has to be in 9/8.  However, you can have a staff look like 3/4 by following a visible 3/4 signature with a hidden 9/8.  The real (played but hidden) staff will contain the dotted quarter notes but the displayed/muted staff will have quarter notes followed by hidden 8th rests.  Other note lengths are illustrated in the file attached in the first post.

Also download and study the attached file on Peter Edward's first post to decide which method you want to use.  On mine, click the "open book" icon (or "Page Setup" from the File menu), choose the Contents tab and uncheck "Hidden" and click OK to see what the final product looks like.  To keep the accompaniment in 9/8, don't insert 3/4 and don't hide the 9/8.  The italics 3 and simile of course wouldn't be needed either.  You may have no need for a displayed/muted & hidden/played set of staves for the 9/8 parts.. WYSIWYH.

Edited change: The user tip (with attached files) referred to is here.
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General Discussion / Re: Artificial Harmonics
William Ashworth's reply was quite correct.  The only thing to add is the point(s) on a string that don't vibrate at certain harmonics where you can touch the string to create them is/are called (a) nodes.
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General Discussion / Re: Problem with slurs and grace notes.
I tried attaching a new file to this post, it said there was a duplicate name and I lost everything I had been writing.  Oh, well, let's try again:

I looked at the file Rick attached (Thanks!) and tried to replace the quarter in the layered staff with a pair of 8ths, hiding the 2nd one (hiding the 1st hid the slur as well).  It worked except for the problem of how to hide the flag in the layered 8th.

I just installed NWslur from The Scriptorium, but haven't had much of a chance to experiment with it.  Attached (I hope!) is what I have thus far:
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General Discussion / Re: How to make a set of single staffs?
Quote from: Rick G. –
Easier to just Select All then Ctrl+Shift+Up 7 times.

I'm amazed that NWC supports user defined KeySigs. I know that implictly they exist, but I've never seen any music that uses one. Anyone know of a link to any scanned music? I'd like to try reading it.
This was the first time I ever had to use a non standard key signature.  By shifting the hand down a half step (keeps the open G string as natural), Eb would work.  The exercise is based on what a teacher gave me in 1994.
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General Discussion / Problem with slurs and grace notes.
In the attached measure, the 1st quarter note needs to be on the same bow as the grace notes leading to the 2nd beat, however the 2nd beat needs to be on a different bow.  Placing a slur on the first beat doesn't stop at the grace notes but continues to the second beat.  The slur attribute is on the first quarter and first grace notes only.

What am I missing? TIA
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General Discussion / Re: Glissando on a Trombone
This file: gliss.nwc was mentioned in a referenced thread earlier.  It is an example of how to do a long smoothe glissando, by Fred Nachbaur. You will need to inspect the hidden staves to see how it is done.  It can be found in the "Helpful Files" section of the Scriptorium.