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General Discussion / Re: Changing the speed...
Unfortunately the users are a lady in her 70's and another couple who'd never touched a computer before!!!  It was hard enough getting them confident enough to do the basics!!!

You are correct the tunes have the same tempo all through, set right at the beginning of each staff, it would be ideal if I could have a way of changing a whole folder of tunes in one hit instead of having to modify each one individually.
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General Discussion / Re: Changing the speed...
Thanks Bill,

I've downloaded Viewer 2.5 onto my PC and had a play, and yes, I think this could solve our problems!  The only problem is the laptop we use at the church does not have internet access - I'm not very technical minded, do I just download the setup_nwc2.5_viewer_pre5.exe onto a USB stick, then run this file on the laptop?

The people at the church have only just got used to operating the Noteworthy software, so it might be easier to stick with this, and use the "Global Modification" tool you mentioned earlier.  Would it be too long-winded for you to set this procedure out for me (in idiot's terms!!!) so that at least I've got both options to try?

Stephen
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General Discussion / Re: Changing the speed...
Thank you, that will be very useful!  I have Noteworthy version 2.1!

I haven't used the viewer, because the way I've set up the tunes is to play the first 2 lines of the hymn as an introduction, then repeat the tune 6 times (with the assumption that most hymns have 6 verses or less), but there is the occasional need to change the repeat to more when the odd hymn is longer!  So I need to modify the NW file!

Stephen
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General Discussion / Changing the speed...
Hi everyone, you may remember last year you guys on here were a great help enabling me to play hymn tunes through the MIDI church organ for use in church services.

This has been a great success, but a number of the congregation are complaining it is a little too slow.  The way I set up the speed was, at the beginning of each staff, I pressed "t" and in most cases entered a tempo of 120.  Ideally this now needs to be about 150.

To save me having to go through all 1075 tune files to modify this tempo figure, is there any way I can :
a) over-ride this tempo figure, and play each tune faster, without physically changing any files, or if not,
b) is there a quick way to modify all the Noteworthy files in one hit?

I'd be most grateful for your help once again!

Stephen
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Quote from: Randy Williams (purdue) –
I could provide a script for you that would make that change in all of your files with a single command if you want it.  I'm heading out of town now, but I could get it to you on Monday if it would help you.  I can only imagine otherwise you having to load over a thousand songs one at a time to make the change?!

Thanks for the offer - it would have been really useful, but at the same time I'm also adapting each tune file for church use - ie, copying and pasting the first two lines of each tune at the beginning (the church always plays an intro before people start singing), then adding a repeat for the number of verses required!
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Basically, all staves on channel 1.  Channel 4 on the bass seemed to work sometimes, and not work sometimes, so decided to make all of them channel 1.

I'm now ploughing through all 1011 tunes, changing all the staves to channel 1 - I know in theory I could do it as and when each tune is needed in the church, but it will save fiddling about before each service - I can just load up the tunes, and off we go!
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
Possibly, though before seeing that I would have guessed 1 and 2 more likely.  How many manuals does the organ have?  I wonder if each manual has a bank assigned?
Or perhaps channel 1 is the manuals and the channel 4 is the pedals?

The organ has one manual.  I wonder if you might have hit on something there - if channel 1 is the single manual, and channel 4 is the pedals that might explain why only treble and bass played - the bass did sound like the pedals were playing!.  So presumably I need to set staves 1, 2 and 3 as channel 1, and leave staff 4 as channel 4 to get the bass effect.

And thanks Warren for the channel test file - that could be handy!

Anything else anybody can think of to try if that doesn't work?  Finding spare time to tinker with the church organ isn't easy so ideally I'd like to get it working at the next attempt!!!!!
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
I've just remembered, as I mentioned in an earlier post, when testing on the organ, I tried the "Layer with next" function to combine treble staff with alto, and tenor with bass - so they would have used channel 1 and 3, but still only the treble and bass played, so maybe its back to the drawing board?!?!
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
If it helps, I've now attached one of the tunes I tried to play when I tested last Saturday.

Lawrie, the organ ignored instrument changes and played the stops selected on the organ.

As you can see, the treble, alto, tenor and bass are channels 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively - so you reckon making them 1, 1, 4 and 4 would work???

One other thing I wondered about - I was studying the NWC user guide to see if I could find any clues, and when it was talking about recording organ to computer it said that while some systems need MIDI in plugged into MIDI out, some may need In plugged into In - would this make any difference in playback?  (I followed the instructions with my USB MIDI lead which said plug MIDI in into the MIDI out socket)
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Ok everyone, I finally got around to trying out your advice today and linked my laptop with Noteworthy to the church organ, via a USB MIDI cable.  It was PARTIALLY successful!!!  I plugged everything in according to the instructions with the MIDI cable, switched on, loaded up Noteworthy, selected the USB device as my MIDI playback, and the organ played the treble and base, but NOT the alto or tenor.

Now, when I keyed in all the tunes on Noteworthy, I used 4 staves, one each for treble, alto, tenor, base.  The main reason for using a seperate staff for each part was so that I could select different instruments for each part (obviously for the purpose of playing on computer).  However, even when I used the "Layer with next" function to make 2 staves instead of 4, I still had the same problem!

So... I need to pick your brains again!!!  How can I get the organ to play ALL 4 "parts"?  Is it as simple as adjusting one of the settings in Noteworthy?  Your help will be much appreciated - the people at the church were really impressed with the fact that it partly worked, now we really want it to completely work!!!
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Ok, I have my lead, so almost ready to go!

Just one other thing to ask - I sent an email to Viscount Organs (because the organ in question is a Viscount Jubileum 61) to see if they could give me any advice, and they said this in their reply : "The Jubileaum 61 is an early Viscount digital organ although it does have midi and you can playback music via the midi in socket.  Stop selection is a little more difficult. as stops are switched on and off via the system exclusive messages generated in the midi data.  This means there specific codes exclusive to Viscount for the stop program change facility, These are not published by the manufacturer.  But can be read via the midi out socket if you have the appropriate midi dissembler /assembler software. use of these codes must be accurate or irreversible damage could occur and permanently crash the cpu."

This is a bit scary because I don't want to crash the organ!!!  Anybody got any advice?  What would you do in this situation?

On Noteworthy, on the Insert --> Instrument Change screen, would I just un-tick "Send Patch", or should I try playing the tunes, as they are?

Stephen
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
G'day Stephen,
it should be exactly that easy.  perhaps even easier...

  • You need to have a MIDI out on your notebook - otherwise how do you connect?  A USB to MIDI adapter is the go for this.
  • You need to choose this MIDI device as your playback device in NWC - |Tools|Options|MIDI (tab)
  • you can either:
    • Select the instruments on the organ and modify your NWC files to not set instruments (OR you may be able to set your organ to ignore instrument patch commands)
    • Experiment and work out how different instrument patches work with NWC controling the organ that way

Given that "George" is MIDI, the short answer is yes, you can.

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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Tony,

The way "George" the Midi Accompanist works is... the instruments required are selected on the organ (just as if a human was going to play it), the tune is then selected on "George", which then plays through the organ using the selected instruments.  It would be so handy if I could just unplug out of the back of "George", put the same plug in the back of my laptop, and play my Noteworthy tunes through the organ in the same way, but I fear it won't be this easy!  This is what I'm trying to find out from the experts on here - some helpful answers so far, but not a definitive one!!!

Stephen
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General Discussion / Re: Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Thanks Bill, yes I think the organ must have MIDI capabilities because they currently use a device called "George", a MIDI Accompanist which plays tunes through the organ, but has a very limited selection.  I'm hoping I could link up a laptop to the organ in some way so that I can play my Noteworthy tunes in the same way as "George" does!

Warren, yes it could be a resource for the future, but obviously I'd have to look into copoyright issues!
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General Discussion / Playing NoteWorthy Tunes on a Modern Church Organ
Hi everybody, I hope someone can help me!

I have entered all 1011 tunes from the tunebook we use at church, onto Noteworthy.

At our church we no longer have an organist, so I've been asked whether there is any way my NoteWorthy tunes could help.

Is there any way I could play the tunes THROUGH the organ?  Not just through the organ's speakers, but ALSO using the instrument selections ON THE ORGAN.  If so, how would I do this?  Please tell me in idiot terms - I don't have much experience with computer music - what leads would I need, how would I set up my computer and the organ?

Regards

Stephen