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General Discussion / Re: Importing a hard copy
I own Sibelius 6 as well as Noteworthy, and have used the included "lite" version of Photoscore with varying degrees of success. Sometimes it gets it spot on right off the bat, sometimes it turns out that it would have been faster to manually input each note! I think the full version of Photoscore would be much more accurate, but I decided it was more worthwhile just to input the notes manually (This is where noteworthy comes in, since it very good at inputting notes rapidly - Sibelius is better for formatting and playback of music).

That said, I think Music OCR (Optical Character Recognition - i.e. scanning in a hard copy to produce a computer copy) is still a developing field. I don't think that today you could find any product that would simply scan the music and then correctly display the music for you most of the time (all depending on how "simple" the music you wanted to scan is, I suppose, but for me, it wasn't worth it most of the time). If you really wanted a program that could scan music to reformat it (such as transpose), you probably could have done better, but Noteworthy can still serve you well here if you need to do any manual input or corrections.

I just thought I might point out that there are other scanning programs that Noteworthy Users use, such as Sharpeye, which may be worth investigating if you were going to buy a dedicated scanning program.
2
General Discussion / Re: quadruplet
Try searching for "n-tuplet" as this general subject has been covered before. While NWC doesn't natively support anything beyond triplets, there are workarounds that have been posted elsewhere on the site, also try the "tips and tricks" section
3
General Discussion / Re: Hummel Mass in D Major
If you already have a midi with all the parts on one stave, you could just use the "Parts" user tool to separate that staff out (copy the staff on to the number of staves that you need, then run the user tool on each staff until only the required part remains)
4
General Discussion / Re: Four-line staves and leger lines
It seems to be that ledger lines do not work correctly with staves that have less than 5 lines (just write a scale than change the number of lines to a number less than 5 to illustrate this)
5
General Discussion / Touchscreens, graphics tablets and notation
Hi all,

After having a break from noteworthy-style notation input (i.e. arrow keys up/down + enter), I was thinking, has anyone else thought of the possibilities of using a touchscreen/graphics tablet with noteworthy? I reckon it would be more natural to new users, but it would be interesting to see whether it is any faster.

Touch screens may become more popular in the "near" future, with systems such as Microsoft Surface and technologies such as multi-touch being implemented. (therefore a higher proportion of users may have access to touchscreen features)

Anyway, that's just throwing it out there. Currently I believe that the best way to use a tablet with noteworthy is to "right-click" on the spot of the note, then "left-click" on "note", which actually proves to be quite intuitive... (the tablet I'm currently using tracks the location of the pen even when it is not touching the surface, so effectively each spot on the tablet is mapped to a spot on screen. The button is the right click, and the tap is the left click, so to place a note I push the button then tap down, hitting the note button due to my unsteady hand)

I suppose the main weakness would be the need to change note durations... maybe if some handwriting recognition software for musical notation existed...

Any other ideas on pros and cons?


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General Discussion / Re: Importing 6/8 and 3/4 midi files
Quote from: ecotectoo –

My NWC seems to operate very differently. When I select stuff and press the +  key the notes get smaller and closer together while the staff stays the same size. Each time I hit the + key it alternates back and forth between regular and squished. The value of the notes and rests remains the same.


The other possibility is that you are actually creating grace notes with the "=" key instead of the "+" key, which requires <Shift> to be held down at the same time as the += key.
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General Discussion / Re: Autosave Operation Failed
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –

I simply have no idea about the random silent staves though I do have a suggestion I gleaned from another forum.  You might try assigning NWC to a single core...  Unfortunately I don't know how to do this (don't have vista in front of me nor do I have a multi core CPU) but I believe it has something to do with properties of the executable or perhaps the shortcut used to launch it...


I don't know how to do it permanently, but processes can be set to one core by: Task Manager > (Processes Tab) > Right Click > Set Affinity > choose a core.

I have a multi core system and NWC works fine, but it is worth a try.
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General Discussion / Re: No playback in Vista
Hi Callisto,

I have no idea why no devices would show up on the lists either, especially when MIDI playback works fine outside of Noteworthy

Two Questions:

1. Not that it should matter, but what version of Vista? (I would assume Home Premium...?)

2. Have you Tried Noteworthy Composer 2? (Its a free Public Beta at the moment, and is generally superior to NWC1 in all respects, including support of MIDI setups)
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General Discussion / Re: Ledger Lines: What Do YOU Think?
Hi Dave C.,

I can't give you an accurate opinion from a Piano Player's perspective, but since you said the question was for everyone, I think that this situation is probably one reason why the alto and tenor clefs were invented. It's too bad your average piano player can't read (quickly) in either of them. As a viola player, I hate changing clefs when it is unnecessary (mainly because the treble and alto clefs have a large overlap) possibly the rule of thumb is to avoid changing clefs if there is no large advantage of using either.

In the posted example, [as a viola player] I like the look of the right hand better when it is Treble > Alto > Treble.

Globbilink
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General Discussion / Re: Can't Seem to Record
Hi PianoDad,
It’s good to see you back as a NWC User.

I’m sorry I can’t give NWC 1 specific instructions, as when I tried opening NWC 1, it complained about my Sound Hardware (which isn’t strictly Vista compatible MIDI-wise) and then froze. (NWC 2 doesn't seem to have this problem at the moment)

I should also add that I haven't done this via USB before, so I might be completely off the planet with this one.

First of all, Could you tell us what is displayed in the “record” tab of “options”. It might not have set itself to take the input from the USB audio device. You could also check “sounds and audio devices” in the control panel, but I don’t think that will help very much in recording.

Another thing you could do is try NWC 2 (beta). It seems to have better auto-setup abilities (as I’ve just seen in NWC 1 not working straight off with my sound setup). <edit> I should add that NWC 2 is free for all registered users of NWC 1 (who have a CD, which includes you). </edit>

I’m assuming there’s no software/drivers included with the keyboard... You could check device manager to see if it recognises it properly... If you can find it in device manager, check how generic the driver is (is it a CASIO-generic driver, a keyboard/MIDI input-generic driver or a USB Audio generic driver?)

That’s all I can think of for now... Try that and let us know how you get on.

<edit> I'm sure I read David's post correctly the first time... I think I've just completely repeated what he said. Oh well </edit>

Globbilink
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General Discussion / Re: Tempo Interpretation
Thanks Rick,

If you wanted to check your guesses, I've written out the melody of that section with all the english markings as text:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|TimeSig|Signature:2/4
|Tempo|Tempo:100|Text:"Vigorously"|Pos:12|Visibility:TopStaff
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:3|Opts:Slur=Upward
|Dynamic|Style:f|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Accent|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Accent|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=First,Accent|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Accent|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:4|Pos:6|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:8th,Accent|Pos:b-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Dynamic|Style:mf|Pos:-8
|Bar
|Text|Text:"Start slowly and accelerate"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:10
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:#-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-3
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-7
|Note|Dur:4th,Accent|Pos:-8
|Bar
|Text|Text:"as before"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:9
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-8
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-5
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:0
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:#5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:#5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:n4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:#5|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Slur=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:9|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Slur=Upward
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:10|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:10|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:10|Opts:Stem=Up
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted|Pos:6|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:9|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:7|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:8|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-8|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:#-9|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-8|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-7|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Ritenuto|Pos:9
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:#-3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:#-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Dotted,Accent|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Bar
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:0|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Down,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1^
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:#-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|TempoVariance|Style:Ritenuto|Pos:9
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-5
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1
|Bar
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-8
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Note|Dur:8th,Grace,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Slur=Upward
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:11|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:6^|Opts:Stem=Down
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:6
|Bar
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4
|Text|Text:"Recitative - freely and slower"|Font:StaffItalic|Pos:12
|Note|Dur:32nd,Slur|Pos:-8|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:32nd,Slur|Pos:-6|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd,Slur|Pos:-4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:32nd,Slur|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th,Slur|Pos:1|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:16th|Pos:2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|TempoVariance|Style:Fermata|Pause:0|Pos:6|Justify:Center|Placement:AtNextNote
|Note|Dur:4th,Dotted|Pos:3
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:2
|Bar
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

I would tend to agree with you, however
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General Discussion / Tempo Interpretation
Hi all

In a piece I'm arranging, I have several tempo markings in English (I'm used to the standard Italian markings)

here's all the markings written above the music (until the next section):

Start: Vigorously (Crotchet = 100)
Bar 4: Start slowly and accelerate
Bar 13: as before
Bar 19: accel.
Bar 22: wildly
Bar 29: rit.
Bar 34: rit.
Bar 37: Recitative - freely and slower

Here's the questions:

1: Bar 4 (Start slowly and accelerate) - does this mean to slowdown from the current tempo first?
2: Bar 22 (wildly) - is this referring to tempo in any way? (so far I've interpreted this as the way to play)
3: Bar 29-34 (rit.) there is a rit. followed by a rit. does this mean to speed up again then get slower or to keep getting slower from the slower tempo?

Thanks in advance,

Globbilink
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General Discussion / ALL NEW TO ME
sleepytortoise,

1. I'm not quite sure I know what you mean.... first of all, the program is not WYSIWYG (just a common problem on these forums... possibly that will help if you didn't know that already)
2. That is achieved by going into staff properties - right click on the staff it's the last option in the context menu. Then go to the visual tab and increase the "vertical size"
3. This is because that staff is using MIDI channel ten. To change it, go to staff properties > Midi tab and change the channel to something apart from ten.

I hope that helps,

<edit> the post has been moved from the original topic so there's no longer any need for certain parts of this post (which have been remeoved)
15
General Discussion / Re: Sound sucks on Vista or is it something else?
Well I managed to get a workaround...

I attempted to install the stuff I had on my driver CD, and even though it complained about needing a operating system higher than Windows 98SE all the files were copied over. I now have four devices called B000. After getting a blue screen after being too enthusiastic in the testing of the software, I now have a functional way to select my on soundfonts... (but as the bluescreen shows, its not necessarily stable)

But I suppose that's not an option for you, fitzclan? You didn't receive the XP drivers along with your computer by any chance?
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General Discussion / Re: Sound sucks on Vista or is it something else?
Hi All,

Maybe I can shed some light on this...

I recently "migrated" over to my Vista PC as my main one, Shifting all of my dedicated hardware. (MIDI keyboard, Ergonomic keyboard, trackball, soundcard). Anyway, the driver released for Vista seem to be watered down from the driver that shipped on the CD. I have a Creative Audigy 2 ZS, and remember mucking about with soundfonts in Windows XP back in the days when Downloads were severely limited...

I just installed the drivers for Vista from creative's website, and to my surprise, there was no soundfont manager! I might be wrong, since there are quite a few apps in the creative folder (I have a creative PMP - Portable Music Player) but I don't think so. It seems to be that creative has not released a Vista compatible version of the sondfont bank manager. There is an option to restore default settings including soundfonts, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere where you can change the soundfont in the first place. The loaded soundfont is worse than the Default MS synth... (Solo Violin/Viola sounds like an electric instrument, which can be good, but is mostly bad)

Likewise, my new (web downloaded) Vista logitech mouse drivers have limited functionality compared to what was on the driver CD (but the do look better with a better interface and more eye candy)

Possibly in the rush to become the most "Vista-compatible" company (i.e. creative) functionality has been dropped in favor of quick release dates (I know that companies had a fair amount of time to get drivers ready before the launch, but how many companies actually did that? i.e. Nvidia - still no proper graphics drivers)

Anyway, maybe fitzclan cant find the soundfont bank manager because its actually not there (yet). I know I can't (and I have the same card as Lawrie)
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General Discussion / Re: Is this for me?
You hit the nail right on the head there, Lawrie.

My school has computer labs full of Computers with Finale Notepad... as well as what was 4 with Sibelius 4, that is now 3 with Sibelius 5 (one of the computers died) I think this is a rather unfair system that favors the students who are familiar with Sibelius (but I suppose my music class is the largest and most advanced music class ever seen in this school)

I suppose the best solution is to have a friend who has finale proper, and pass the file to them to convert to finale format. Or if you are in a similar situation as me (with flash drives at school), bring noteworthy with you and hope that you don't get a group composition task in a group of students who are equally proficient at composing as you... I usually get other students in my group to write lyrics while I compose the music in noteworthy ;)

I looks like the winner here is clearly noteworthy (unless Sibelius has the ability to export finale files as well as import them)
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General Discussion / Re: Exporting chords
Thanks for the link, Lawrie (I really should have checked the scripto... I Google searched it, and got a few questionable sites that had a file that was just a standard sans font)
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General Discussion / Exporting chords
Hi all,

I was recently reminded of some difficulty I had in the past with sharing noteworthy files with friends who have Finale or Sibelius. Does anyone have any ideas on how you could export a file that had guitar chords written in it? (I don't expect to need this ability for a while, since I'm mainly doing classical music, but it would be nice to know there was a way) I currently use Lawrie's fonts to display chords, but I have used the fretqwick font in the past (I can't seem to find it anymore)

On that topic, does mxml support guitar chords?

<edit> I just realised that you could put the chords in the lyric line... (I usually use text)
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General Discussion / Re: Is this for me?
Just a little point...

I did omit MIDI export (subconsciously) as it didn't work in my situation. David's right, MIDI will work for most school-based problems... but now I remember why MIDI didn't work for me. We had to compose a pop/rock song, and I had included the guitar chords as text (which won't be saved into midi) that meant that MIDI was not a feasible choice, as I would lose most of my data. But that's another problem for a different thread (I was fine, as noteworthy was on my flash drive, but the rest of my group members were reduced to writing the lyrics, as they couldn't receive a proper editable copy of all the music)

Thanks for pointing that out, David.
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General Discussion / Re: Is this for me?
Hi, PianoDad

You will be best off getting the evaluation version of Noteworthy to “evaluate” the amount of time it will take to get a score. As Far As I Know, The Evaluation version has no restrictions that will hamper your ability to find out if you will have any MIDI problems or finding out if your son is able to play in strict time when entering. The only limitations that I am aware of are related to the number of saves and also a watermark on printout. The evaluation version will also allow you to find what the best parameters are for your situation so you can spend time fiddling around before Christmas (unless this is meant to be a surprise) Lawrie’s already included the Link in his post, so I won’t post it again.

I find that a 2 minute work (four parts/ String Quartet) takes me an hour to enter from scratch via the computer keyboard (the QWERTY one, not the musical one). It takes me approximately 10 minutes to work through a (2 min 4-part) composition if all the notes are already entered to check all the notes and add the final formatting touches to make it easily readable (preparation for performance, I also have to add bowing marks, which can take longer than just dynamics).

The other consideration you might want to make is whether your son is going to ever do music as an elective at school or anything that might mean group composition. When it comes to group composition, it can be frustrating to have incompatible file formats. I’m a school student and all my classmates have Sibelius or Finale. This means that I cannot currently share files effectively with them (there are converters currently available, and by the time you some will need this, it probably won’t be an issue). Also, if your son is going to take music as an elective, check if he will be able to take his noteworthy files in to work on them. (one way is to have NWC on a flash drive, if the school will let you) The School might be so strict as to only allow Sibelius or Finale to run on their computers, meaning that much time could be wasted re-entering data (unless the mxml format becomes well supported). That said, you should try (the evaluation versions of) Finale and Sibelius so that you know why you are getting noteworthy. (I think noteworthy is worth getting just for the fourms and community)

I think you’ll find that NWC is the best value for money, however you might have a few headaches with school that will cost a bit of time.

Globbilink
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General Discussion / Re: Problem with fonts in Vista
Well, I'm using Vista Ultimate on my main computer, and the fonts work just fine. I have boxmarks as well as all of Lawrie's fonts from the scripto. The only problem I can see might be how you installed the fonts.
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User Tools / "Parts" User Tool
Hi All,

I haven't had time to research this tool or the problem properly because I'm currently preparing music for a wedding.

While I was preparing the music, I invoked the parts user tool on this rhythm:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Chord|Dur:4th,Triplet=First|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Chord|Dur:4th,Triplet|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Chord|Dur:4th,Triplet=End|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Bar
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-1
|Chord|Dur:Half|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem|Dur2:Half|Pos2:-1
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:#-3,-1
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

When I ran the tool with the options "remove", "top", I got:

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!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.0,Single)
|Rest|Dur:Half
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem
|Bar
|Note|Dur:Half|Pos:-1|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem
|Note|Dur:4th|Pos:#-3
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End

Any ideas on why I'm getting this output? (I'll do more research when I get time)

Globbilink
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General Discussion / Re: Silly notation
Well, as an orchestral string player (Violin/Viola), I can say that Lawrie’s comments on the average monophonic instrument player are correct. We tend to see the notes as a melody/countermelody, rather than as part of a chord. There is a (dim) awareness that it is part of a larger chord, but I think only the double bass players would be able to accurately tell you what chord is being played at any single point in the piece (probably because they get bored and also get the bass part).

String players generally have fewer problems with “odd” notes as it’s just a matter of moving up/down the string (put the finger on the note, then move by a semitone). That said, we generally have problems with lots of accidentals or double sharps/flats (probably due to lack of exposure). The other thing is that we generally have trouble playing the “fiddly” parts that wind players are used to (1st Violin is so lazy, we expect the melody, or some other easy to visualise part, Viola is much more challenging mentally, but we seem to end up with the clarinets most of the time)

Anyway, the point is that string players (of equal experience) are more likely to be able to sight-read unusual part than a wind player. If Guitarist complain about the key, they should just use a capo
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General Discussion / Re: Input Methods
If I’ve read correctly, Rob uses a similar technique to me. The left hand is placed on the number keys over the keyboard (Starting with [~] going across to [Backspace]) the right hand is placed on the arrow keys. [enter], [/], [.], [,] and so on are a matter of preference (I use my left hand for this, rob seems to use his right)
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General Discussion / Re: Input Methods
Rick,
Thanks for the quick reply. I tried your instructions on an XP computer, and they worked perfectly. However, when I carried out the same procedure on the Vista computer, I got the following error message:
"The events you carried out were ignored. Use the Preferences command to change the Record Mouse option, and then try again." I tried modifying the procedure slightly but didn’t manage to get any different results or error messages.

I’ve tried:
1.   running the program with administrator privileges
2.   Setting compatibility for XP (SP2)
3.   Setting compatibility for Windows 95

I would conclude that windows Vista does not support the recorder program.


Peter,
I looked at the prodikey keyboard a while back, and was seriously going to get it, but I finally decided against it since my piano skills are rather poor. Being a violinist/violist, I actually get approximately the same speed from a computer keyboard until I have to do chords (and then there’s the question of accuracy). I do have a midi keyboard, but it plugs in through the joystick/midi port on a sound card. Those ports don't seem to exist on newer computers... Thanks for the suggestion though (I might go get one once I’m sure that USB will last... I’ve heard rumours about the next major USB standard being wireless and I don’t want another keyboard that has an outdated port)
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General Discussion / Re: Input Methods
Hi All,
Thanks for all the ideas, they are much appreciated. (I’ll try to remember that you can actually use [ctrl] to move by an octave or bar)
Lawrie, did you get that idea about variation from an OH&S course by any chance? (It really reminds me of this OH&S thing I had to do recently)
Rick (or anyone else who uses macros for that matter) thanks for pointing out recorder, but since the computer I’m currently using is running Vista, I can’t get to the help file to see why I can’t get it to work or what I’m doing wrong. Do you know if it is able to run on Vista? (I’ll try it on a XP computer sometime)

However, I do have a macro-enabled keypad (belkin nostromo n52) I have tried mapping a key sequence to this before, but I found using only one hand too hard (I couldn’t get my head round using a keyboard and a separate keypad). The keypad is for the left hand, with numbered keys that match [Q] to [V] Any Ideas on what I could map to these buttons? (My hand feels a bit lost in a sea of buttons labelled 1-15 and then the four “modes” that the pad can be in)

David, if I’m correct then you should have an [enter] key as part of the number pad... (I played around with a natural keyboard once, I have no idea where it is now) is there any reason why you don’t use that key? Also, how do you select note durations? Do you switch number lock on and off?

I’ll go and try out these ideas now I suppose... (being a violinist/violist, all notation interfaces I’ve used so far seem a bit clunky, but I have to say noteworthy has the best that I’ve used so far)
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General Discussion / Input Methods
I've been wondering about the best method for using NWC's (computer) keyboard note entry. Having started using noteworthy on a laptop, I never thought about using the number pad. Currently I use my right hand on the arrow keys, and my left hand to push [Enter], [Tab], [Space] and practically all other settings such as note duration and properties.

This was all fine, until I tried to input "Drowsy Maggie" from memory (I didn't have any music available at the time). I found that my normal method of inserting each note sequentially led to lots of [up arrow] and [down arrow] presses (due to large number of fifths in the melody). I found inputting a large number of fifths (melodically) rather cumbersome.

This led me to explore other options on the market, and one of the discoveries was alphabetic input. Both the Sibelius and Finale Free downloads had this feature, and (the thing I was really interested in) Denemo (GUI for Lillypond) also had this function (I didn’t manage to find a build for windows, however)
My questions are:
1.   What are the most efficient methods of note entry using the computer keyboard (what should each hand be doing?)
2.   Some general thoughts on “Alphabetic note entry”

Thanks in advance (and sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere)
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General Discussion / Re: New at this - Inserting Choruses?
Quote from: Qwertio33 –
The format is A B A B A B A B.

Just in case you were wondering (Question 2), you could just put a verse then a chorus then a multi repeat at the end. (you could separate the verse and chorus by a double bar line. Sorry if this was so obvious that nobody pointed it out or that I didn't see it... I thought that maybe someone should have answered the question explicitly)

<edit>
Just saw that what I said was already there...
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General Discussion / Re: Playing back slurred notes as one.
Hi matta,

I think what you want is a TIE, not a SLUR when you want to join note in this fashion. Just replace the slur with a tie (keyboard shortcut "/") and it should playback as one extended note. (There’s probably a way to replace all eligible slurs with ties, but I have no idea how you would do that)
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General Discussion / Re: Printing several "songs" on one page
Hi,

I think that currently the only way of doing this within noteworthy is to use digital "whiteout". In other words, you create blank bar(s) with white characters (symbol fonts such as webdings is good of this) You also create a invisible clef and keysignature to stop them from showing. (I would post an example, but I can't work out how)

There was a good thread on this, but I can't find it. I did find the following after a quick search, however.

https://forum.noteworthycomposer.com/?topic=5985.0

Another way would be to create each song separately and put them together using a different program (i.e. publisher, word or any other editor that handles picture)

I hope that answers your question
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General Discussion / Re: .nwc to .sib, .xml, .abc, .mus ...etc???
I'm not sure how legal this would be (with regards to licensing), but Noteworthy will actually run quite happily off a USB flash drive (meaning that you could use noteworthy 100% of the time instead of having to switch between Noteworthy and Sibelius). The first time it is used, a dialogue box will come up saying that the font is not installed, but then it will still launch the program and have full functionallity (I assume that it installs the font onto the system). Anyhow, this makes it possible to run Noteworthy on the school computers without actually installing anything. Of course, the school may not want you to do this, but it is a possibility that you might get permission to run noteworthy in this manner.