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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
Quote from: Mike Shawaluk –
I was able to get the score to convert without errors by stripping out a few things. Specifically, I removed the segno and coda markings, since I was pretty sure they wouldn't have worked the same in the MusicXML file.
This is not really viable for me, some of my scores have over 50 staves...
I'm in contact with Opagust, and have sent him the original score which generated the error. I'm certain he'll post an updated version shortly.
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
The only version I have that is currently working at all for me is:
2.0.05.01 - NB I haven't exhaustively tested this one so it may also throw similar errors with the right file.

The later ones either create unusable MusicXML files or else throw a bunch of errors like the ones you've listed.
I was able to get the score to convert without errors by stripping out a few things. Specifically, I removed the segno and coda markings, since I was pretty sure they wouldn't have worked the same in the MusicXML file.
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
It's been a long time since I used this converter, and I tried it again today. And of course it would have to throw an error.

I am running version 2.0.05.04 under Windows 11. Following is the error log I got. I assume the boundary collapse messages are just warnings that I can ignore. I can remove those from the score before running the conversion if that makes a difference.


Object Boundary Collapse in staff Vocal not converted.
part: P1, voice: 1, measure: 1.
------------------
Object Boundary EndCollapse in staff Vocal not converted.
part: P1, voice: 1, measure: 4.
------------------
===================================
Conversion ended with error!
===================================
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "nwc2xml.py", line 1717, in convert
  File "nwc2xml.py", line 1497, in create_xml
  File "nwc2xml.py", line 1461, in create_part
  File "nwc2xml.py", line 1117, in process_object_ending
  File "nwc2xml.py", line 1092, in create_ending
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'
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User Tools / Re: NWCCONVERTOR
Quote from: Lawrie Pardy –
This is correct.  The compressed NWC file format is proprietary, which is a big part of why .nwctxt exists in the first place...  Or so I understand.
This was originally true; the native NWC format used to be a proprietary binary format, but at some point, the program changed to use gzip compression of the .nwctxt representation of the score, which came out to the approximate same size as the old native binary format. I don't know if there is official documentation on the format, but I think it would be theoretically possible to create compressed NWC files in a converter.

This does not answer Flurmy's concern over only being able to convert .nwctxt file to .nwctxt, but I thought I would respond with the historical information.
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Object Plugins / Re: PageTxtMaestro.nw
I believe the issue is that the PageTxt objects do not do the actual drawing of text; that's done by the PageTxtMaestro object. So I believe you will need to change the color of that object to effect the colored text. Unfortunately, that means that all of the text it draws will be that color.
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General Discussion / Re: Windows 11
Quote from: Flurmy –
Yes: running in Win3.11!  :))  :))  :))
I can believe that. But it doesn't answer the question of why you would want 1.75 installed on a Windows 10/11 system alongside 2.75. Maybe you have a Win3.11 VM because you are part of the retro software scene, and like to live the glorious days of 4MB of RAM and single-tasking? :)
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General Discussion / Re: Windows 11
I am genuinely curious: what reason would there be for keeping a copy of NWC 1.75 on your system, if you also have the current version? I can understand that there are people who were perfectly happy with 1.75 and don't want "all that new stuff". Is there something that 1.75 does that the newer versions don't?
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.3)
Now would be a good time to mention that BarLabel.ms primarily is used for rehearsal marks, which appear where the object is placed in the score, while the object BarCounter.nw will display bar numbers at the start of each staff, or optionally on every measure.  And it has always had the option of starting the count at a specified number, relative to the position of the object in the score.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.3)
The BarLabel.ms object has been updated, with the following change:

  • Parameter "Offset Count" has been added, which is added/subtracted from the calculated bar count at the current location (thanks to @fathafluff for the suggestion)

Please refer to the parent post for additional information.

(EDIT: If you downloaded the object within 15 minutes of this message posting, please re-download it; I made a small change that will automatically carry over the offset value when new copies of the object are inserted.)
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General Discussion / Re: Beats in a bar
One thing I forgot to mention about rest chords is that you have to create them by first placing the rest, and then press Ctrl-Enter to add the chord member notes. If the rest chord's note is pointing in the wrong direction, you can highlight the rest chord and press Shift+up arrow or Shift+down arrow.
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General Discussion / Re: Beats in a bar
Let's see if I can post this before Lawrie beats me to it :)

(Disclaimer: I am American, hence I use the fractional note names.)

This is easy to correct, as follows:
Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Clef|Type:Treble
|Key|Signature:Bb,Eb,Ab,Db,Gb,Cb|Tonic:G
|TimeSig|Signature:3/4
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-4,-1|Opts:Stem=Down|Dur2:4th,Dotted|Pos2:2
|RestChord|Dur:8th|Opts:Stem=Up,ArticulationsOnStem,HideRest|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-2
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:5|Opts:Stem=Up
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:4|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-2,1
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:3|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
The thing to remember when you are using two parts per staff is that when you have two notes of different durations at the same position (like the dotted quarter stem up and plain quarter stem down), the duration that is reserved for that position is that of the shorter note. NWC created the "rest chord" as a way of dealing with this. A rest chord is basically a split chord where one of the two notes is a rest. Also, in a rest chord, the rest duration must be less than or equal to the note duration (i.e. you can't have a half rest and a quarter note.)  So for your example, I change the lone quarter note to a rest chord with an eighth rest, which "steals" an eighth duration from the first two notes, so that the total duration is now 3 eighth beats, and the parts line up again.

You'll notice that the rest is shown greyed out. That is because a rest chord has an option of hiding the rest in the printout, since you don't always want to see them.
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General Discussion / Re: Beats in a bar
I'm pretty sure Lawrie is spot on with this one. It sounds like you might have mixed or overlapping chords with different durations, which means you need to make one of the notes a rest chord. But it would really help to see a copy of the sheet music you are trying to enter.
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General Discussion / Re: starting NWC application
You didn't mention whether you tried to uninstall NWC before you tried reinstalling it. If that is what you did, and it didn't work, I'm not sure what to try next. Hopefully someone else with more experience installing/uninstalling will be able to help you.
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General Discussion / Re: Alternative notes per lyrics.
There is a user object which will do what you want, called CueHeads.ms.  You place a copy of the object at the start of the staff that contains the notes that you wish to have smaller noteheads. Then, on the desired notes, you change the notehead to a Blank Space. The object will automatically find the notes with the blank noteheads and draw in a smaller notehead. The properties of the CueHeads.ms object will let you specify the size of the cue noteheads. It defaults to 70% of a full size notehead.

To change the specific noteheads to blank space noteheads, do the following:
  • With nothing selected, hover over the notehead with the cursor.
  • Right-click and choose Noteheads > Blank Space.

You will probably want to manually adjust the stem length of the notes with smaller noteheads. If you are using split stem chords, this might be a problem because Noteworthy Composer doesn't let you set the stem lengths of the up and down notes individually. It might work best to have those notes on a layered staff.
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Object Plugins / Re: Ottavamatic.ms (2.0)
Lawrie's description is spot on. You can also copy and paste the sample clip at the start of this thread to see an example of its usage.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.2)
The BarLabel.ms object has been updated, with the following changes:

  • Parameter "Reference Which Bar" has new option 'auto' to choose nearest barline (thanks to @fathafluff for the suggestion)

Please refer to the parent post for additional information.
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Object Plugins / Re: BarLabel.ms (1.1)
Just to make sure I understand your request, relative to how the object currently works: With the new value of "default", if the user object immediately follows a barline, then you want it to display that barline's number (i.e. what "prior" would do), and if it immediately precedes a barline, then it should display the following barline's number (i.e. "next"). But what behavior should the object have if the object is somewhere in the middle of the measure?

I think I could accommodate your new behavior by adding another property, let's call it "Auto-select", as a checkbox. If the box is unchecked, then the behavior is as the object currently works. If it is checked, then it will choose the prior or next barline's number if it is adjacent to the prior or next barline. And if it is in the middle of the measure, then it will use the "Reference Which Bar" property to determine which value to display.

EDIT: After experimenting with the code, I think I found a better solution that is closer to your original request. I can add a new value for "Reference Which Bar" that is "auto". Whichever bar is closer to the object will be the one whose bar number is used. If the distance to either bar is the same, it will use the next bar.  Does that sound like a workable solution?
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General Discussion / Re: Wrong verse highlighted after master repeat
It would be hard to tell for sure without seeing the actual score, but I am betting that it has to do with either using or not using special bar lines at certain spots in your score. There are people here who are experts at getting repeats and flow control to do their bidding. I am not one of those people unfortunately. :)
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General Discussion / Re: Exporting NWC to Midi
If each voice is on its own staff, there is an easier way. Go to Tools > Mute List... or press the M key. That will show all of the staves in your score. Click "Mute All" and then unmute the staff for the part you want to export. Click OK, and then go to File > Export and save that part. Repeat the process by muting/unmuting the staves you want to be included in the export.
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General Discussion / Re: alignment versenumber
This is how I did verse numbers as well, before user objects came along. But I am biased toward the object approach, having written this particular add-on :)
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General Discussion / Re: Natural symbol
If you look closely, the natural symbol is grey, meaning that it is hidden, and won't appear on printouts or in the NWC Viewer. You can delete it if you want, but it is useful to leave in your score if you decide to transpose it again.
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General Discussion / Re: Including small note-heads in a NWC score
Since that older thread was written, NWC has a new feature called user objects or plugins, which is a way to add new features to NWC for display and playback. One such plugin that was created is called CueHeads, which is a fairly easy way to add cue-sized notes to a score. You can read about it here.

Note: you don't need to install the object; if you have NWC 2.75 installed, it is already included.
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General Discussion / Re: Tremolo with octaves
I am not an expert on tremolos, but to me, that measure seems incorrect, at least if the time signature is 4/4. A two-note tremolo that has 8th notes for each note would have a total duration of 1/8 note in the measure, and with two additional beams, it would play as 32nd notes. Adding up the other beats, there would be a total of 7 beats in the measure.

Perhaps it is a typo in the score, and it was meant to be quarter note tremolos? In that case it would add up to 4 beats.

I would welcome a comment or correction from someone else who is more familiar with tremolos.
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General Discussion / Re: Tremolo with octaves
I notice that you changed the rests on the rest chords to quarter rests, instead of 16th rests. Except for the case of an eighth tremolo, the rest duration should be 1/2 of the note duration, meaning that in this case, the notes should be half notes[1]. Did you mean to use those instead? Is the bottom measure supposed to be 5 beats total?
1 My apologies to UK and Australian members who are used to seeing minims, quavers and crotchets  :)↵
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General Discussion / Re: Tremolo with octaves
The help file for the Tremolo.ms object says the following:
Quote
To create a tremolo, first create two RestChords of the desired duration. For whole, half and quarter note tremolos, the rest duration should be half of the note's duration. For eighth tremolos, the note duration should be quarter and the rest duration sixteenth.

I chose this approach for eighth note tremolos since there is no easy way to hide the flag on eighth notes :)

Here is a fixed version of that measure. Also, please note that you should mute the notes on each side of the tremolo object if you are using playback.

Code: (nwc) [Select · Download]
!NoteWorthyComposerClip(2.751,Single)
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-9,-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=First
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Chord|Dur:8th|Pos:-9,-2|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam
|Note|Dur:8th|Pos:-5|Opts:Stem=Up,Beam=End
|Spacer|Width:200
|RestChord|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem,Muted,HideRest|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-7|Color:1
|Spacer|Width:300|Color:1
|User|Tremolo.ms|Pos:-8|Color:1
|RestChord|Dur:16th|Opts:Stem=Down,ArticulationsOnStem,Muted,HideRest|Dur2:4th|Pos2:-2|Color:1
|Spacer|Width:375|Color:1
|Chord|Dur:4th|Pos:-9,-2
!NoteWorthyComposerClip-End
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Object Plugins / Re: Glissando.ms (2.8)
The Glissando.ms object has been updated to version 2.8 by @Flurmy, with the following change:
  • New parameter PitchBendPeriod to allow a user-specified delay between pitchbend glissando updates.
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Object Plugins / Re: Ottavamatic.ms (2.0)
I did some further exploration, which bears out Flurmy's comment that he's never seen this notation. In many scores, the labeling for octave sections is a simple "8" for both upward and downward octave shifts, and the position of the marking above or below is what indicates the direction of the shift.  All of the comments and pages I have found online say that 8va alta (upward shift) should always be above the notes in question, and 8va bassa (downward shift) should always be below them.
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Object Plugins / Re: Ottavamatic.ms (2.0)
Thank you for the kind words. Yes, the object is still being maintained.

I don't think I've ever seen a score with an 8va bassa above the notes being shifted. I designed the object's appearance based on Elaine Gould's "Behind Bars" and I can't find any mention in that book of doing this.  Of course, you can move an 8va bassa mark above a set of notes, except that the dotted line will point up instead of down. Maybe this is desirable to cue the player that the shift is downward?  Alternately, if you are just creating printable notation and you don't need playback, you could do an upward shift, but change the text from "8va" to "8va bassa" or "8vb".

Let me know if either of the above workarounds would work for you.
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General Discussion / Re: Buglet
I had to experiment with this to see what you meant. You can apply extra dot spacing for a RestChord (although as expected, there is only one setting, so it applies to both the note and the rest, if both are dotted.) and it displays properly. However, when you save the file and reload it, the extra spacing is not remembered.  The same thing happens if you copy and paste an extra dot spaced RestChord.
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General Discussion / Re: Page layout
Quote from: lawrroc –
... I take this opportunity to ask for information.
Is it possible to add an accidental or other to a single member of a chord?...
You probably found the answer already, but here it is again: Position the mouse pointer over the note in the chord that you want to add the accidental to, then right click and choose from the Accidentals menu in the popup.
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General Discussion / Re: Question on tremelo
Regarding the double staccato dot, is that something that happens often with tremolos? It would not be hard to add it as an option to the object, but it would help to know the "rules" behind its use.
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General Discussion / Re: Question on tremelo
If you set the "Triplet playback" for each object, it should play the notes with equal duration. Also, I recommend muting the notes if you are using the tremolo playback.
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General Discussion / Re: Wav and MP3 files from NWC.
There is a subforum here titled "Back Stage" which is visible to members who have previously participated in beta releases. Unfortunately, only the forum moderators can add people to this section. The NWC 2.8 beta version is posted in that subforum.
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General Discussion / Re: Finale’s finale
Having never used Finale, I am wondering if that program is "pay as you go", requiring an active subscription to keep using it. If so, I can understand the need for current users to switch to something new. However, if the company is just discontinuing updates and support, that wouldn't be much different than what we are facing with our favorite program, since there haven't been any updates in several years now. There should still be a community of users who are able to answer questions and provide support for remaining users.
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Object Plugins / Re: Tremolo.ms (2.2)
The Tremolo.ms user object has been updated, with the following changes:

  • A bug has been fixed which caused incorrect beam placement for offset whole notes for the first chord.

Please refer to the parent post for a description of the available parameters and a sample clip.
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Object Plugins / Re: Tremolo.ms (2.1)
Try changing line 137 from:
Code: (lua) [Select · Download]
x1s = x1s or x1+1.3
to:
Code: (lua) [Select · Download]
x1s = x1s or priorNote:xyRight()
I am still testing to make sure it doesn't break anything.
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User Tools / Re: Beat Count
I had to look up "anacrusis" to understand your question. I think you are referring to what I call the "pickup measure".

I think that is a reasonable assumption. However, I also think that it won't be difficult to come up with a score that will mess with your tool. For example, a 4/4 score that temporarily changes to 3/8 time.
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User Tools / Re: Beat Count
You could call the tool "Metronome" :)  Maybe have an option to use the drum kit and MIDI channel 10 for the staff.